#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 With Doug solidifies everything you mean Doug has an excuse for everything, right?The reason for Gondor Reborn in AUJ is obvious. A radically changed final act and huge time pressure + presumably a directors temp track. I really dont need Doug to weave that into some artistically justified reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 You mean the EE, right?I would love to read Doug's explanation for the Nazgul music in AUJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barnald 365 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 You know we might finally have an 'explanation' for that Ringwraith theme in AUJ.Apparently, the BOTFA Chronicles book says that Azog was originally to be involved in the battle at Dol Guldur, where he would 'harvest' the power of Gandalf's ring. I don't have the book yet so I'm not sure if the guy who posted this on TORN has read it properly.Still, this wouldn't make sense either given that Azog wouldn't have that ring yet. It sounds a shit idea anyway, glad they nixed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 That does sound shit, and IMO in no way explains the use of the ringwraith chorus two films earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnald 365 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 No it doesn't of course, but it would set-up Azog as some kind of crazy bastard with a severe rings of power fetish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Barnald 365 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I do think originally the plan was for Azog to be resurrected. I'd say the fan concerns about that might have dissuaded them, but then the concerns about other ideas didn't make a difference, so who knows why they changed their minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 It could have been foreshadowing something and have become satisfying, where it's use in AUJ was to shock and confuse before it returns and makes sense.Foreshadowing is usually done in very subtle ways. Like JW foreshadowing The Imperial March in Anakin's theme.The scoring for the final act is all over the place. Reuses of Ringwraith choir, Isengard Unleashed arrangements of the Nature theme, Gondor Reborn. We all know what happened. Do we really need an "in-universe" explanation that will make it all feel justified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Do you think so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 And what do we think of those that do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 The division bell between "us" and "them"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 You weren't familiar with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MedigoScan 324 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 They didnt even need that ringwraith music when they already had perfectly good music from Shore *cough* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 It wasn't bad-ass enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 Hmmm. I wonder if a section f the BOFA EE appendixes will cover the storyline changes the films had throughout production, or if anything not in the final cuts will be swept under the rug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I'm sure that if these changes are even mentioned, they will not go into specifics.And I'm pretty sure we won't hear exactly what happened that caused so much music in AUJ to be moved about. I really wonder what version of the score a CR would present of the final act? Probably a compromise between Shores intended music and what ended up in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 That means no cool Nazgul music and no Eagles themes, and both are highly desired by fans. Flight to the Carrock is the scores highlight IMO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,374 Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 Yea - after AUJ, I would have assumed that after DOS and BOFA too there would be so many alternates that you could never fit all the film versions on one disc. But now that DOS and BOFA are out and we see those 2 scores had very little alternates recorded, BB's idea would be ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Glóin the Dark 1,223 Posted December 17, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2014 It irks me that people say the Nazgûl music doesn't belong in that Azog scene. If you take a moment to think about it, "AZOG FIGHTS THORIN, THE DWARF!" is an anagram of "HOT RINGWRAITH DOTH GAZE, FFS!" so how could Shore not allude to this musically? Dixon Hill, Incanus, crumbs and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Okay.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Glóin the Dark 1,223 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Ah, yes! I understand the frustration now... mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,374 Posted December 17, 2014 Author Share Posted December 17, 2014 DOS and BOFA will have way more alternates than that when you factor in TC vs EE cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 I really wonder what version of the score a CR would present of the final act? Probably a compromise between Shores intended music and what ended up in the film.Shore's original intended music on the CR, films versions on the Rarities Archive CD. That's only way to do it!except the rarities can not include everythingand I do prefer some of the film versions of tracksI would hate to still not get the film AUJ tracks on the CR(thats also why I prefer the FOTR CR over the latter 2 in some instances, except in parts where cues were obviously dialed out/replaced by SFX) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 You know we might finally have an 'explanation' for that Ringwraith theme in AUJ.Apparently, the BOTFA Chronicles book says that Azog was originally to be involved in the battle at Dol Guldur, where he would 'harvest' the power of Gandalf's ring. I don't have the book yet so I'm not sure if the guy who posted this on TORN has read it properly.Still, this wouldn't make sense either given that Azog wouldn't have that ring yet. It sounds a shit idea anyway, glad they nixed it.Are you guys STILL trying to justify that? Even after Doug said it was really just a filmmaker's request. Give it a break guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I didn't need Doug to figure that out though.It's essentially the Hobbit equivalent of the Imperial Match finale of AOTC. Great piece of music, but poorly placed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Yeah, me neither. But a lot of people here, and in other places, like to come up with all sorts of conspiracy theories unless Doug "officially" denies/confirms it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Lemmings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KK 3,307 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Temp-tracking? Seems pretty simple to me. Sounded more epic to PJ, so the original music got the boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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