crocodile 8,020 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Yeah, that's what I mean. They are also Magneto's children (which was implied in that last X-Men film). But you probably know that.But the, Mystique is Rogue's mother.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 As long as the film is, it feels edited down. Especially Thor's part. I feel that there are parts missing from his story. Especially from his solo quest with Eric Selvig.There's a shot of a woman in a cave in one of the trailers that apparently isn't in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 There are some shots and lines of dialogue that are not in the film.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 There seems to be a lot missing from the part where Thor has his vision in the water till the moment he appears again and zaps The Vision with lightning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 That scene in the cave felt a bit random.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Maybe it's one of these cases where a film feels less rushed and ironically less long in the longer cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 We need an Avengers: Cut Of Whedon release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 If it tells a full complete story, I don't mind the running time.But these people have box office records to break.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 It's so annoying when a Director has reached the optimum cut of a film, and the studio wants to "Shave another 20 minutes off, we want more showings which means more money!" Yet they ignore the fact that in the top 20 highest grossing films, only 3 are under 2 hours (which are animated films), over 50 percent of them are 2 and a half hours or more, and a few are over 3 hours. I hope we get to see Whedon's Directors cut someday, or at least an extended edition or deleted scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I'm afraid this is the director's cut. He wanted it to be shorter than the first one while packing more stuff in it. It's weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I've been thinking and I don't remember an interesting location used in Age of Ultron...It begins in a generic eastern european woods, goes to New York (again), goes to a dark uninteresting warehouse to meet Serkis, goes to a cliche farmhouse used in just about every superhero film ever, Hulk vs Iron Man in a boring generic city, and the final act in a morbid, colourless eastern european city filled with grey buildings. Whoever was the location scout, set designer, lighting crew and cinematographer needs to be re-educated in how to catch the eye of the audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 Still a vast improvement over the first film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Nah, I actually liked how it all looked, believe me or not. It was more interesting than "television pilot" visuals of the first film.It might have been posing as "Eastern European" but I can't think of many actual Eastern European locations that look anything like that. Surely enough, it was shot in Italy.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmm 91 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Guardians of the Galaxy had some eye catching locations. I can picture in my head the planet from the opening scene, the prison, the giant skull planet. In that aspect GotG was a lot more successful than the other Marvel movies. The first Captain America was striking too, although that's mostly due to the period in which the movie takes place and the cool retro-futuristic vibe it had. Asgard was pretty too, easily the best bit of the first Thor. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Yeah, it might be true in a way. But I never felt these were real places, if you know what I mean.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Yeah Asgard from the first Thor is probably the best looking location in these films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmm 91 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 GotG in particular, none of the locations look THAT special or spectacular, but it had a wonderful sense of location. The movie transported you there, so I disagree that it didn't feel real enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 GotG in particular, none of the locations look THAT special or spectacular, but it had a wonderful sense of location. The movie transported you there, so I disagree that it didn't feel real enough.That's what I'm talking about, mate. I can't even remember that film very well, except for the title sequence (which was funny). Can't tell you what the plot was, or character's names or locations. It's all a blur. I just remember there was a lot of CG stuff in there. Just didn't care about any of it. Mildly entertaining for 2 hours, I guess, but, once over, I moved on.Not trying to be antagonistic, just saying how I feel about this film.Or not feel, rather.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurmm 91 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Well I guess what you feel about Guardians, is what I feel about Age of Ultron. I think we can all agree it wasn't as good as the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 It definitely wasn't. But, as I said, it was still fun for me.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Oh forgot to add the Silvestri materal in the end credits doesn't sound like an old recording to me. If it is, then it must be an alternate or something.Heroic Captain America statement sound very similar to the one heard in "rescuing the civilians" segment from 2012 but I don't think it's tracked.There are some other Danny Elfman tracks that I'd like to have. One of them is from the opening sequence.Pity the film itself gets worse with each viewing. Probably because it does justice to its characters in smaller moments and the grand scheme is clumsily executed. Even Whedon humour, as effextive as it is, can't save it from the abyss of some lazy plotting and uneven pacing.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 A 5+ minute video to explain a 15 second post credit scene? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 A 5+ minute video to explain a 15 second post credit scene?A scene that was set up by a two hour twenty some minute movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 1, 2015 Author Share Posted May 1, 2015 What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 2 hours 21 minutes. It's the runtime of the movie. The movie comes before the post-credits scene. And the green grass grows all around and around, and the green grass grows all around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 A 5+ minute video to explain a 15 second post credit scene?A scene that was set up by a two hour twenty some minute movie?It's true, though. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Finally saw it. Liked it a lot. Not as much as the first, but it was still a fun experience. Ultron being the pseudo-child of Tony Stark, by way of raiding his computers, it wasn't surprising to hear him do some wise-cracking. It felt natural, but it unfortunately made the main villain a bit too comical. I didn't feel as threatened by him all that much.Vision was awesome, and the CGI-assisted scenes toward the end with the group fighting together, and Vision flying around, looked quite amazing. I liked the small moment of Vision flying off with Scarlet Witch, for those of us who are familiar with their comic story line counterparts.I think the movie's key weakness is that it could have been longer; it felt a bit rushed despite its length. I wanted some things to be more fleshed out. Some additional scenes were sorely needed, one in particular: With all of this relationship building and connection making between Stark and Scarlet Witch, and Stark and Ultron, and Scarlet Witch and Ultron, there absolutely should have been moment between Scarlet Witch and Stark at the end to clear the air, who together confront a dying Ultron. Scarlet Witch could have still had her final moment but it would have been a bit more satisfying. Feels like a missed opportunity to me.Also, I thought there was a scene (based on the trailer) that explained how indestructible Ultron was going to be by having him coated in special metals, making his presence and defeat even more intimidating and questionable. So unless there was a throwaway line in there I missed, that also lessened the impact of the main villain by making him just another robot who should not have been as powerful.Anyway, I hate rattling on about what I felt was wrong, since it was a good flick, and will probably see it again in the theater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Can't wait to hear the opening weekend box office numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I saw the movie this weekend, and I felt about the same as I did with the first Avengers movie. Pretty good, nothing thrilling. I'm ready for the first part of Avengers: Infinity War to focus on the New Avengers, hopefully with Iron Man/Thor/Captain America/Hulk/etc just appearing for the final Thanos battle in pt 2. This movie was overcrowded, and without full focus, there's not a lot of time to do anything worthwhile storywise with the characters we already know a ton about (Stark, Thor, Cap) just banter and cool action moments.Nah, I actually liked how it all looked, believe me or not. It was more interesting than "television pilot" visuals of the first film.I agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 The problem with those new Avengers is that they are all secondary characters in another heroes franchise.Do we really care all that much about Rhodey? Or that Falcon guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Giving them their own stories will make us care about them!Black Widow is a 2-time secondary character, and I don't think any of us doubt that she could carry a movie at this point.Besides, putting them into a straight ensemble movie like Avengers: Infinity War means that they can help each other bear the weight. It's not like any of them are getting their own standalone movie in the next five years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 4-time secondary character! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 I'm sure the Captain and Thor will be in the next Avengers film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I'd be very excited to see a Marvel ensemble movie fronted by two women, two people of color, and a dumb pastel robot.But I'm sure you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 "New Avengers" appearing in Civil War-Falcon-Scarlet Witch-Black Panther-Winter Soldier (? - he's in the film, just dunno if he'll be a good guy yet) "New Avengers" not appearing in Civil War-Iron Patriot/War Machine-The VisionOG Avengers appearing in Civil War-Iron Man-Captain America-Black Widow-HawkeyeOG Avengers not appearing in Civil War-Hulk-Thor-Nick FuryAs for Infinity War, I'd reckon all of the New Avengers, led by Cap, will be the leads for Part 1, and towards they end they will get Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk to join, and part 2 will be them all in outer space or something fighting against the forces of Thanos or whatever, with the Guardians of the Galaxy joining in on their side.Is Ant-Man supposed to eventually be an Avenger too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 He certainly has been in the comics, but it's too soon to tell where they're going with him.It's difficult to figure out what the Infinity War lineup will be, since we also still have Ant Man, Doctor Strange, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel coming up before then (plus any other characters introduced in those films, plus any other characters introduced in the various Captain America, Thor, and Guardians sequels, plus Spider-man). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 I just can't get excited for ant....man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 They'll have to come up with a bunch of secondary and tertiary villains for Infinity War, because they have way too many good guys right now to have them all just fighting Thanos. They'll have to take all the heroes and break them up into 4 or 5 or 6 different groups each with their own storyline / task / fight / battle in the great war that will happenI mean, look at how many good guys they'll have by then7 original Avengers-Iron Man-Captain America-Thor-Hulk-Black Widow-Hawkeye-Nick Fury-10 New Avengers-War Machine-Falcon-Scarlet Witch-The Vision-Black Panther-Winter Soldier-Ant Man-Spider-man-Doctor Strange-Captain Marvel6 Guardians of the Galaxy-Star Lord-Gamora-Drax-Groot-Rocket-I think a sixth member will get added in GOTG 2That's a lot of good guys!And doesn't even count other secondary good guys who conceivably join in on the fight against Thanos, like Heimdall, Odin, Siff, Maria Hill, Pepper Potts, Jane Foster, Selvig, Coulson, whoever is on the Agents of SHIELD show, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, etcAnd who knows what side of the battle Loki will be on. He flip flops sides in all his movie appearances so far.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 At some point all this joined continuity might actually begin to weigh down the MCU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 I'm already feeling it after Avengers 2, and when I'm seeing Jason's list of characters appearing in Captain America Civil War. Hopefully some are just cameos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Maybe Infinity War will be something like this faction 1: some kind of big New York City battle-Spider-man-Daredevil-The Defenders (Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist)-Nick Fury & Maria Hill faction 2 - some other battle(s) on Earth-War Machine-Falcon-Coulson & some Agents of SHIELD characters-Black Panther-Doctor Strange faction 3: Asgard battle-Thor-Odin-Sif-Loki-Heimdall-Hawkeye faction 4: outer space battle-Guardians of the Galaxy-Iron Man-The Vision faction 5: some other planet battle-Captain America-Black Widow-Hulk-Ant Man-Scarlet Witch-Captain Marvel And whoever's left alive defeats Thanos at the end. Then Phase 4 has the third entry for Guardians of the Galaxy of course, plus second entries for Black Panther, Doctor Strange, Ant-man, Captain Marvel, and Spider-man... maybe a 4th entry for Iron Man/Captain America/Thor, but I doubt it (If anything, Steve Rogers wil be dead, and Winter Solider will now go by Captain America and get his own movie). Hopefully a first entry for Hulk, Black Widow/Hawkeye, Vision/Scarlet Witch - but who knows, really. The whole landscape of superhero films could be different in the 2020s. And a lot of the original OG Avengers actors might require too much money / simply not want to do these films any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Will people embrace Bucky as Captain America? He's nothing like the Steve Rogers character audiences have come to like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 4, 2015 Author Share Posted May 4, 2015 We need a spreadsheet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Christ! Are these films ever going to die? The Infinity War films do not sound fun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,374 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 After Phase 3 is over and the 2020s begin, a lot of who they will focus their Phase 4 films on will depend on: -Which characters they haven't killed off -Which actors aren't too expensive to keep paying -Which actors want to continue playing these characters Do Robert Downey Jr, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, and Mark Ruffalo really want to keep playing these characters forever? The Guardians of the Galaxy and Spider-man could be their biggest sure-bet left after Infinity War is over, unless Cumberbatch or whoever plays Captain Marvel really captivates audiences in 2016 and 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 And then after Bucky becomes Captain America, the Falcon becomes Captain America. This stuff can go on forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 4, 2015 Share Posted May 4, 2015 Urgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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