BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 For all ye who enjoy some good and challenging music, this fits the bell. Drops on the 12th of May. http://www.amazon.com/Goldenthal-Symphony-In-G-Minor/dp/B00W4FTK78 https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/goldenthal-symphony-in-g-minor/id989612045 Jacck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,404 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums§ion=findpost&pid=1122056 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,542 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 AND it has some cool cameos of SPHERE and FINAL FANTASY, for those who love those scores (and who doesn't?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,022 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 I'm buying this.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Some passionate string moments in this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 AND it has some cool cameos of FINAL FANTASY...Really, is the adagio theme in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,915 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 AND it has some cool cameos of FINAL FANTASY...Really, is the adagio theme in there?It is the dream/vision/nightmare sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 AND it has some cool cameos of SPHERE and FINAL FANTASY, for those who love those scores (and who doesn't?).Sounds like the pieces verbatim. Goldenthal pulled a Horner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Yeah when I heard that ominous little Sphere motive I was a bit taken aback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted May 6, 2015 Author Share Posted May 6, 2015 Give the guy a break before comparing him to Horner! He fell out of a chair and lost quite a few brain cells and his ability to speak for a while! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 It wasn't necessarily a criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 6, 2015 Share Posted May 6, 2015 Lack of inspiration maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,542 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Yeah, knowing the circumstances, I'm not too bothered by the direct quotes. It's also something that Goldenthal has done on some occasions -- for example using the "Beast Within" cue from ALIEN 3 in other scores, like COBB and SPHERE. Or "Pressing Judgement" from A TIME TO KILL in TITUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Yet he sued Tyler Bates for doing just that?Bit hypocritical, isnt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 What would you have wanted him to do? Sue himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,350 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Goldenthal wouldn't be the first composer to quote his own scores in his 'serious music'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Coming up next: James Horner's musical self-portrait 'A Beautiful Mind' Jacck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,990 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Lack of inspiration maybe?No, I guess it's more like taking back something he was fond of and giving it a new life into a different (and hopefully more lasting) realm. Those two movies are almost completely forgotten (and they weren't exactly all-time masterpieces).Several film composers did this, mostly because they thought what they wrote for a film that ended up forgotten was probably deserving of a better life.Yet he sued Tyler Bates for doing just that?Bit hypocritical, isnt it.No, he didn't sue Tyler Bates, he sued Warner Bros. and the production company.The pieces Thor mentioned were a much different thing actually--I asked this specifically about them when I talked with him in 2003 and he said he didn't have a problem--those pieces were part of the temp score and both he and the director agreed to use them because they worked well in the new context. karelm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Just like Vaughan Williams did with using his score for Scott of the Antartic as the basis of his stunning 7th Symphony (Sinfonia Antartica). And the world is a better place because of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Lack of inspiration maybe?No, I guess it's more like taking back something he was fond of and giving it a new life into a different (and hopefully more lasting) realm. Those two movies are almost completely forgotten (and they weren't exactly all-time masterpieces).Several film composers did this, mostly because they thought what they wrote for a film that ended up forgotten was probably deserving of a better life.I'm just now listening to it on iTunes. Pretty amazing it's almost exactly like the music he wrote for Sphere and Final Fantasy. But I'd rather listen to the film scores than this. It's difficult to say the least.But yes, it makes sense that he would rework it for a different audience and more classical music inclined listeners will pick up on it and want to check out this gifted man's other work, because they'not too acquainted with film music. Which in turn will make them discover his cinematic gems.So more recognition for Elliot. Sounds like a good deal if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted May 22, 2015 Author Share Posted May 22, 2015 I enjoyed it immensely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Yeah it's fine. Steeped in that New York grey barrenness that he shares with Shore and Glass in minor mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Now i can delete these cues from FF and SPHERE since this is a more comprehensive reworking of either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I agree that it is a superior reworking of those previous ideas. It's very very enjoyable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 So Horner is bashed when he rehashes his movie stylings in a classical piece, but Elliot is praised for it.Sigh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted May 23, 2015 Author Share Posted May 23, 2015 Elliot writes more interesting music, Stefanie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 And like I wrote above, it's a similar situation with Vaughan William's Sinfonia Antartica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,915 Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 So Horner is bashed when he rehashes his movie stylings in a classical piece, but Elliot is praised for it.Sigh...Stif makes an interesting point. Shostakovitch had his D-S-C-H Germanic cryptogram in so many works but the use is always original and integral. Beethoven reused the "Ode to Joy" theme in his No. 9 from his earlier Choral Fantasy. Prokofiev reused his Fiery Angel material in his Symphony No. 3 but really what he did was expand on that material in a symphonic form fearing it would never get produced as an opera. Perhaps what we have here is Goldenthal getting more mileage out of under-utilized material? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 'Under-utilized' isn't a word that comes to mind when listening to the Horner and his battered cornet of sweets - not even with the greatest willingness to let bygones be bygones. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Its Steef, not Stiff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Just met Goldenthal and got his Symphony signed. I'm at the Krakow Film Music Festival and he did a meet and greet in a coffee shop and chatted a bit about the symphony etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Anything interesting he said about the symphony? It was alright. A nice take on pre-existing material, but could have done without the verbatim quotes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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