curlytoot 97 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 This may come off as a bit morbid, but I really don't intend it to. I know we've all been listening to/posting our favorite Horner cues and scores these past few days, but I was just thinking: this is a man who had scored music—great, tear-jerking, heartwrenching music—for the deaths of countless characters on screen. For such an emotionally resonant composer, I feel like it would maybe bring some level of comfort/solace (at least to me, probably to others here as well) to have a playlist/collection of Horner's musical representations of death and of the heartache and loss that loved ones experience. So, what are some classic, great examples of Horner scoring the death of a character in film? HornerIsTheMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 3,013 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Spock's death is a great example from Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan and the subsequent renewal in ST3. That was a devastating moment when first experienced in the theater. Also great is Legends of the Fall battle sequence. I actually believe the importance of this material is not the dramatic death sequences but the subsequent renewal scenes that he nails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 "We Have Travelled So Far; It Is Time to Return to Our Path"Saddest piece of music I've ever heard. Taikomochi and Mr. Breathmask 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,558 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Little Foot's old girl in The Land Before Time.The triumphant music when the Alien Queen gets blown into space.Wailing lady when Hector gets his arse handed to him in Troy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,251 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Jack in Titanic. I cried in the cinema. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornerIsTheMan 4 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Just a few of the masterpieces he wrote concerning this subject: Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,558 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Jack in Titanic. I cried in the cinema.I've never seen anyone cry during a movie. People talk about it a lot, but I'm starting to think it's an urban legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Jack in Titanic. I cried in the cinema.I've never seen anyone cry during a movie. People talk about it a lot, but I'm starting to think it's an urban legend.I've cried at home watching movies (The Green Mile, Requiem for a Dream, all three LOTR films, House of Sand and Fog, Synecdoche, New York, multiple episodes of The Sopranos and Fringe), but I don't think I've ever cried in a theater. I came pretty close in Gran Torino and Safety Not Guaranteed though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,558 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Wow, people must get pretty emotional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,251 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Oh, I cried. Trust me. What I remember most was not the famous Sissel vocal making me cry, but everything before when the lifeboat is searching for survivors and she tries to wake him up, which isn't on the album to my knowledge. It's very dark and unsettling material and a different approach from what Horner did with the album version. I'm not sure if it was tracked or just unreleased, but it was very effective, even if it wasn't what Horner intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,558 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Last time I remember crying was when I scraped my knee when I was seven. That bitumen really grates on the tender skin and sends your juvenile tear ducts into a frenzy!But movies, hm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,251 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 You green-blooded, inhuman... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I am in control of my emotions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 4,086 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 While not directly related to death, this track has always affected me. I don't remember off-hand what scene this scores, but it still reflects a feeling of loss for me.The piano passage near the end really does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,251 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 He was a master with a piano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Great topic that I haven't the time to add too. But great idea Curly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,558 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 He was a master with a piano.He performed the piano solos himself in The Amazing Spider-Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,254 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Jack in Titanic. I cried in the cinema.I've never seen anyone cry during a movie. People talk about it a lot, but I'm starting to think it's an urban legend. I've cried at home watching movies (The Green Mile, Requiem for a Dream, all three LOTR films, House of Sand and Fog, Synecdoche, New York, multiple episodes of The Sopranos and Fringe), but I don't think I've ever cried in a theater. I came pretty close in Gran Torino and Safety Not Guaranteed though.Synecdoche, New York? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hilary Bray 235 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 the aforementioned death of Spock in TWOK but maybe it's stretching it, but the final moments of the Enterprise as she streaks across the heavens -the loss of the Enterprise was effectively the death of a character. The music sounds mournful but there's a note that salutes her...to my ears anyway.Not quite as emotive perhaps but the moment in "Betrayal" from Enemy at the Gates where we see Sacha's body hit home in the cinema when I first saw the film. One moment a soppy love moment and then seeing Sacha there. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Movies I've cried in....too many to name. there is nothing to be ashamed of for crying.but if you cannot cry then you are dead inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,456 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 If you've seen people crying in the movie theater, why are the house lights on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 its easy to see people cry in the dark as the screen lights reflect on the tears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,456 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 I think people looking around in a darkened movie theater and not facing forward are more distracting than cell phones and babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 well I was actually looking at David yesterday during Inside Out. I could see the shimmering in his eyes as he sniffiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,456 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,558 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Movies I've cried in....too many to name. there is nothing to be ashamed of for crying.but if you cannot cry then you are dead inside. Wait. I don't get it. When people say they "cried" while watching a movie, do they just mean a tear kinda almost made it to the surface or do they mean they went into an hysterical fit of sobbing as if a close family member had just carked it?It's like when people say a movie made them "laugh", do they mean they just breathed through their nose a bit more loudly or did the movie send them into an uncontrollable belly laugh? A movie has never provoked that latter kind of response from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,456 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 I think we need a poll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Most recently I recall genuine weeping from myself during Interstellar and Her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Movies I've cried in....too many to name. there is nothing to be ashamed of for crying.but if you cannot cry then you are dead inside. Wait. I don't get it. When people say they "cried" while watching a movie, do they just mean a tear kinda almost made it to the surface or do they mean they went into an hysterical fit of sobbing as if a close family member had just carked it?It's like when people say a movie made them "laugh", do they mean they just breathed through their nose a bit more loudly or did the movie send them into an uncontrollable belly laugh? A movie has never provoked that latter kind of response from me.I was trying not to sob at the end of Without a Trace. I was trying not to sob in the Color Purple, I didn't even bother to try at the sneak preview of E.T. in 82. I didn't even try to stop in Toy Story 3. As for belly laughs I had so many it's hard to remember, but the dancing scene in Bad Grandpa made me nearly hyperventilate. I am a very emotional man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,558 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Crying is just too extreme an expression of emotion that movies and TV have never been able to provoke from me. Because it's fake. It's not real.It's like Seinfeld's girlfriend who was bawling while watching Beaches. I'd feel as awkward as Jerry if I were in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 the emotions are not fake, you're just dead inside. watch the end of an Officer and a Gentleman, then the end of Terms of Endearment, and finish off by watching the ending of Without a Trace. It will determine if you're actually alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,558 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 That's not true. When a sad moment is on screen, I think "oh that's sad". When a happy moment comes on, I'm like "cool, they're happy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,953 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 It sound like you can recognize the emotions but you're unable to feel them. Perhaps you're vulcan. Are your ears pointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,558 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Oh I feel them, but crying (like real hysterical sobbing) is unnecessarily extreme. I mean they're just actors reciting lines and performing. I don't think even they are taking it as seriously as some audience members do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 I don't acknowledge the existence of other people while watching a movie, ergo I have not seen them cry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,558 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 We must conduct tests in scientifically controlled conditions in order to verify the validity of these claims of sobbing as a result of viewing entertainment content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck 155 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 59 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 "Whittington's death" from WOLFEN (1981) is pretty good as a precursor for all those marine deaths in ALIENS but for me "Memories of Mom" from CLASS ACTION (1990) is such a poignant piece of music and very underrated. HornerIsTheMan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,558 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Hitch returns... Hitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 He returned to us...at the turn of the tide! Hitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,541 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Is he really a noteworthy member? I mean, the guy has a Prometheus pic as his signature... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,376 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 You don't know Sir Afred Hitchcock? The famous director? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,541 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 No. Is he better than Nolan? If not, I'm not interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,558 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 BloodBoal fancies himself as the Raphael of JWfan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,541 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Oh yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,254 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Oh I feel them, but crying (like real hysterical sobbing) is unnecessarily extreme. I mean they're just actors reciting lines and performing. I don't think even they are taking it as seriously as some audience members do.What's the point of watching movies and TV if you don't let yourself be drawn into the worlds these people have created? I cry all the time when watching stuff, and occasionally with meaningful songs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,558 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 I gey drawn into it. For example, I've recently been heavily drawn into the Buffyverse, not whenever a character I liked got killed off, I was like "Fuck off, Joss! Your itchy tigger finger is grating!"But cry? As in tears flowing and a lot of "wah wah!"? If mother caught me doing that, she'd laugh her arse off and tell me to grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uni 306 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Some of Horner's best tributes have come for those already dead. I felt the finale of TWOK was a more moving affectation of Spock's passing than the death scene itself. And the way Field of Dreams honors the relationship, regret, and reconciliation between Ray and his father throughout the film (and especially at the end) was magnificent.the aforementioned death of Spock in TWOK but maybe it's stretching it, but the final moments of the Enterprise as she streaks across the heavens -the loss of the Enterprise was effectively the death of a character. The music sounds mournful but there's a note that salutes her...to my ears anyway.I was going to mention that example too! It was a fitting, mournful end to a "character" that had been around since the beginning.Jack in Titanic. I cried in the cinema.I've never seen anyone cry during a movie. People talk about it a lot, but I'm starting to think it's an urban legend.When I saw Titanic in the theaters, there was a group of junior-high girls a few rows in front of us. As Rose and Jack were saying their goodbyes on the wooden headboard, they were bawling. I mean, they were completely puddled out. It was pretty pathetic (and more than a little annoying). So I suppose it does happen to that extent once in a while.Wow, people must get pretty emotional.Those who allow themselves to experience emotions, yes.Wait. I don't get it. When people say they "cried" while watching a movie, do they just mean a tear kinda almost made it to the surface or do they mean they went into an hysterical fit of sobbing as if a close family member had just carked it?It's like when people say a movie made them "laugh", do they mean they just breathed through their nose a bit more loudly or did the movie send them into an uncontrollable belly laugh? A movie has never provoked that latter kind of response from me.Why does it have to be one absolute extreme or another? When people talk about "crying" in a movie, they usually mean tearing up. Not crumbling to pieces (like the junior high crew). And not merely "almost-kinda-thinkin'" about a tear coming close to the surface. They manifest. We wipe them away. It means a movie's gotten to you (in the best kind of way), that's all.The laughing usually happens in the middle ground as well—although sometimes it's just a smile, and sometimes it's straight-up guffawing. Surely you've attended a screening where the audience is laughing out loud. You can't possibly be that sheltered.That's not true. When a sad moment is on screen, I think "oh that's sad". When a happy moment comes on, I'm like "cool, they're happy".How very . . . touching.I would've thought the person who famously states "Star Trek is better than everything" would be basing the claim on his passion for the franchise. It loses a bit of credibility once you learn it's founded merely on statistical data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,558 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Surely you've attended a screening where the audience is laughing out loud. You can't possibly be that sheltered.Yeah I've heard people laugh, but not that uncontrollable belly laugh that hurts the muscles in your face and sends tears streaming out involuntarily. And those laughs don't just stop in a few seconds, they go on and on. What I've seen is more that fake laugh people do to acknowledge the humour of a scene.I've only seen the belly laugh happen (and experienced it) when people are interacting one-on-one or in a group, but never during a movie.Plus, I think Australians are a lot more restrained than their American counterparts while viewing films in a public space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,456 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Well of course. You don't want to laugh in prison. The wardens are watching you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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