fommes 155 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 http://www.capedwonder.com/STMEC/CW-Superman-Extended-Cut-music-article.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,364 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 On 12/10/2017 at 6:53 PM, Stefancos said: I knew it a few days ago. I couldn't find this thread http://www.capedwonder.com/STMEC/CW-Superman-Extended-Cut-music-article.pdf Interesting! 4 minutes ago, fommes said: http://www.capedwonder.com/STMEC/CW-Superman-Extended-Cut-music-article.pdf Cremeritis!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 155 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Oops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 38,933 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 And I had already posted it before that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,364 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 It's spreading! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,392 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 I've found an interesting article: http://www.capedwonder.com/STMEC/CW-Superman-Extended-Cut-music-article.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,739 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 That PDF is not what I consider happy reading. It states that during the main titles there are ALOT of edits... depressing. Especially when the author offers no more than four different solutions that would’ve been better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,745 Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 On 10/13/2017 at 3:11 PM, rough cut said: My copy of the Superman extended blu shipped yesterday. Have you had a chance to view it yet? Would love to hear some more comments, especially with regard to the restored bits of music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,739 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 It hasn’t arrived yet. I’ll get back with a write up as soon as possible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,499 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I've watched the first 20 minutes. Will resume later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 4,433 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 On 10/14/2017 at 0:57 AM, Matt S. said: Plain bad, or "That's a bad outfit" bad? To me, its plain bad. Superman the Movie has a charming quality to it, but its such a long first act as it is. The rear projection looks atrocious, the villain is completely un-menacing, and the end is literally the definition of Deus Ex-Machina. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,499 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Chen G. said: The rear projection looks atrocious The tagline said I would believe a man can fly. I want my money back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,501 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 And you can totally tell that Dorothy is skipping towards a painted wall in The Wizard of Oz. Movie ruined forever! Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,499 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 And in All About Eve where George Sanders and Ann Baxter are walking together with a back projection of a sidewalk behind them. They seriously couldn't shoot that on the lot instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,248 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Oh, yeah. Like when that stupid UFO comes over that dumb mountain, in CE3K? Total model! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 There is no need for all of this Superman revamping, director's original cut this, extended cut that, etc. The original theatrical cut is fine, there was never any need to delve back into it. Chen G. and 1977 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,499 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 47 minutes ago, nightscape94 said: There is no need for all of this Superman revamping, director's original cut this, extended cut that, etc. The original theatrical cut is fine, there was never any need to delve back into it. I'd like the version I grew up with at least preserved, which this new blu-ray represents. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Train Station 8,499 Posted October 28, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted October 28, 2017 Full impressions... Unbelievable that I have this version of the film in my hands now that isn't on a worn out old four-hour BASF tape. No, this extended version is now preserved. I always thought they'd forgotten about it, and conceded that it was probably lost and would never see the light of day. How wrong was I? If this thing could become so accessible now, there's still hope for the unaltered SW films to be restored and released. Unless you grew up with this, naively but understandably believing it was the only version of the film, it would be reasonable to assume you'd balk at how it essentially breaks every rule in the editing book. In fact, when I saw the threatrical version on TV in the late 1990s, I seriously thought the network cut the film down and I complained that they chopped out so many of my favourite snippets. Heh. But since then, I became used to the shorter 2000 Director's Cut and the Theatrical because that's all we had. Having the chance to revisit the film now as an adult and having learned so much about the importance of pacing and identifying redundancies, the extended version of Superman could be a chore for many to endure. That is unless you approach it as if it were a 1960s 'Roadshow' feature like It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World. And even that film's extended version only exists now in the choppiest way possible where lost scenes are now substituted with storyboards and production stills. Not same story for Superman, thankfully! Sure there are some dumb moments in this version that were rightfully cut from the theatrical like the Hollywood sign miraculously readjusting itself after Superman fixes the fault line, and some electrical technician saying "That's Superman! He must have been the one who saved us!" -- yeah, no shit! But there was an awkward cut in the Theatrical/DC that always bothered me - just after Luthor says "No, by causing the death of innocent people", it suddenly cuts to a missile launch. I'd always remembered this scene extended with Luthor then chuckling and winking at Otis. The extended version improves this scene. There's even a rather violent moment where Lex beats the crap out of Otis in the back of the ambulance, and there's more guts with extended scenes illustrating his overall frustration at having these clowns around him. As for picture quality, we get another unexpected win. I was never impressed by the DC blu-ray, and the Theatrical looks like someone rubbed Vaseline on the lens. But this new disc features the film the best I've ever seen it, with film grain intact, and details revealed that I'd never seen before. Colours are beautifully spot on, too. Today, people demand 4K this and UHD that, but this only had a 2K scan, according to one reviewer, but there is such thing as being too pedantic about all this. The sound is a tricky area because it's essentially an enhanced mono in DTS-HD 2.0. Not a showstopper by any means, but listenable at least. I know I've complained about modern films clocking in at three hours in a cynical move to boost their "epicness", but somehow that just works in this version of Superman if you allow it. I love how it becomes a disaster flick in its final act, and the more footage jammed in helps you appreciate how monumental a production this was -- I'm suprised it didn't give Richard Donner a heart attack! He obviously had supportive collaborators in Mank and Unsworth while having to liaise argue with the micro-managing bean counters behind all this. I can't say for sure if this will be my 'go-to' version. Probably not. And I wouldn't be so bold to show it to someone who'd never seen Superman before. But ultimately, it's nice to have the freedom to revisit it any time I want without worrying if the tape will break! Jay, rough cut, Amer and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,739 Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Thanks for the review! Can’t wait to see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,745 Posted November 1, 2017 Author Share Posted November 1, 2017 Thank you BJH (if I may abbreviate your screen name) for the detailed review. I would like to ask whether the bluescreen shots that had a green-tinged SM flying across the screen have been colour-corrected to match what was done for the 2001 release? The ones I can recall off-hand are the shot of him banking to the Hoover Dam, the shot before the cat rescue and the shot flying to Luther's lair. From what I remember, the SFX team had to create a greenish SM suit because the blue of his suit was too close to the bluescreen colouring, resulting in faulty matte work. Many thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 303 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Just finished watching this (over two nights). I must admit after reading this thread just now I had to remind myself why I picked this edition up, but it was merely overall curiosity rather than any concern with edits, score, quality or version history. FWIW, I completely missed anything going on in the opening title music because after 40 years of hearing the butchered march and those instantly dated sfx, my ears turn off there (I only listen to the Blue box restorations). Funny though, I did pay attention to the grain in the title graphics and appreciated they were left as is. The audio quality of the soundtrack overall with all of its over-compression, distortion and dryness was exactly what I expected it would be. The restored music during the Krypton sequence was worth the price of the set, as this has always been my favourite part of the score (that gothic quality that I also enjoy in style period neighbours The Fury, Dracula and the early part of ANH incl. Binary Sunset alternate). Watching a three-hour edit of the film you grew up with and know intimately doesn't take away any interest or sense of dramatic balance per se, since after decades of vinyl, VHS, Rhino, Donner's DVD commentary, deleted scenes, Donner's Superman II, the 2008 Blue box, etc. it's all kind of a *cough* blur and an exploded version (even if it's a relic) seems appropriate at this stage. I'm not likely to watch it all again, except for the destruction of Krypton, which was really satisfying, even with the audio being what it is. If I were to offer any commentary otherwise, it's that this version of the film was probably fine for family TV viewing in 1970-80 whatever (rampant political incorrectness aside), to the degree it explains everything to death. But there's no mystery left anywhere, and the dopey aspects of the film are made more so. In fact, the scene where Supes smiles down as he somehow takes credit for bringing water to the Indigenous village is, in the context of 2018, offensively stupid. And dramatically, there hours is way too much build up for the inevitable return of Zod and crew. I'll stick with the director's cut. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,248 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 I've been watching this on YouTube, in 5min bite-sized pieces. It's not bad. A quick question, though: does this 188min version contain the Concorde sequence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean1700 4 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 This is the version of the film I grew up with. I first copied this from the TV in 1986 (onto Betacord) then later to VHS and eventually to DVD. I still have that disc and even though I have the 13 disc set from years ago and the first movie on Blu-ray THIS version will always be my "go to" version. My only gripe is that it's missing one scene and that's when Lex is showing Otis his "very long arm" whilst hanging out the back of the ambulance. rough cut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,739 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 On 2018-05-10 at 1:28 PM, Dean1700 said: My only gripe is that it's missing one scene and that's when Lex is showing Otis his "very long arm" whilst hanging out the back of the ambulance. Wow - there’s a a scene missing? Really cool that you have the knowledge to pick that out, probably you’re one of the few people in the world who’s able to do that! Isn’t human nature funny, though? Even though the extended cut on Blu-ray adds 33 mins of (to most of us) previously unseen footage, now I’m really curious about that missing scene... What happens in it more specifically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean1700 4 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 1 hour ago, rough cut said: Wow - there’s a a scene missing? Really cool that you have the knowledge to pick that out, probably you’re one of the few people in the world who’s able to do that! Isn’t human nature funny, though? Even though the extended cut on Blu-ray adds 33 mins of (to most of us) previously unseen footage, now I’m really curious about that missing scene... What happens in it more specifically? The missing scene is only a very small cut of about 3-5 seconds and occurs immediately following Lex yells "Otis, do you want to see a very very long arm?" Lex then climbs out of the drivers seat and jumps in the back while Miss Teschmacher screams and leans over to grab the wheel. It then cuts to a view of the back of the Ambulance now swerving over the road and the doors swinging open, showing Otis leaning out the back of the vehicle and Lex over the top of him where Lex hits him in the eye. The scene is underscored by a short March of The Villains cue before cutting away. I've still got the TV version I recorded in 1986 showing this scene somewhere and I'll try and load it if I can. This image was taken with my phone with the scene paused and the video is of the whole scene. The quality is very poor because when first recorded 32 years ago (OMFG) it was onto Betacord. Eventually this was transferred to VHS and finally to DVD with no enhancements so quality has been lost in every transfer BUT I'm still going to keep it as it's a time capsule with TV commercials lol. Superman_missing_scene_clip.mp4 rough cut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Train Station 8,499 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 I remember that scene too. I need to watch this blu-ray again because I didn't make not of it being missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,739 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 10 hours ago, Dean1700 said: I've still got the TV version I recorded in 1986 showing this scene somewhere and I'll try and load it if I can. Very cool! Thanx for posting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,739 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Finally got around to watch this today with a friend of mine, a friend whom I’ve forced to watch Superman with me through each new format and cut (and the sequels) since I bought my first DVD-player. Poor dude. 😂😂😂 Anyway, so after sitting on “The Extended Cut” for 25 months, I can finally say that it is a cool watch for Superman fans. We were constantly picking out new stuff and had a great time with it! JW’s score is always a blast, my absolute favorite of all of JW’s scores. I think we might have been giddy with excitement during the opening credits, because I didn’t notice the bad mix of the famous march. What was noticeable though was the music during the extended destruction of Krypton. Whoa!!! Really operatic! Regrettably, in the extended cut, there are scenes where JW’s music does get a little repetitive, as it has to be “dragged out” in order to fit the longer scenes, and because it was never meant to be attached to the movie this way. The maestro would have scored it more sensibly had the opportunity been laid upon him. Finally, it did put a smile on my face that during the Smallville scenes, we did get JW’s original source music instead of “Rock Around The Clock”. The soundtrack is in its original Dolby stereo (Edit: lossless mono) presentation, a bit narrow by today’s standards, but it is still without a doubt how this movie was able to take the audience with storm, and why the Superman fanfare is still associated with the character 40 years later! Of course, equally wonderful as the soundtrack, are the acting performances and the special effects. Today, as a classic, we take Superman: The Movie’s place in history for granted, and we’re perhaps a little jaded, but it really is a remarkable movie. Rewatching The Extended Cut brought me back to a more innocent time for an evening which was wonderful. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 6,071 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Pretty sure the Extended Cut is Mono? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,739 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Yup, it’s mono. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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