charlesk 0 Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 Well, it's over. I want to know what the statisticts say about sexual orientation among John Williams fans.Personally, I am gay. Sorry ladies
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 Interesting poll.Ray Barnsbury-straight, and currently in the minority
StrongBad992648 0 Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 I'm straight as well. Still in the minority on this one. Oh well. For all of you...well...one or two ladies on this board...here I am. I know you are tempted lol.
stewdog1 50 Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 As straight as an arrow. Although I like girls. Does that make me a lesbian?
John Crichton 4 Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 Straight.Personally, I am gay. Sorry ladies  I'm sure they'll survive.
JoeinAR 1,957 Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 Huh? Â Dude. I'm a dude.so am I to figure you suck at softball, and you're not a lesbian? LOL do you have a mullet?
King Mark 3,975 Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 Straight.K.M.A bit worried at the poll results,maybe referring to film music as "gay" by most people isn't too far off.
tharpdevenport 4 Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 I voted. Straight. I voted a bit ago, but am jsut now posting.
Elmo Lewis 7 Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 Funny. 6 people voted for "gay", and yet all the posts in this thread say "Straight". Are our gay members the shiest?
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388 Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 Yes, Ross makes a very good point.Who are you...come out and show yourself....Hide in the shade no longer and bask in the warmt of our acceptance of your sexual identity.BTW, I voted straight, just to make that very clear..... :?
A24 5,156 Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 I voted straight, just to make that very clear..... :?So why does your sexual disposition confuses you?----------------Alex Cremers
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388 Posted June 26, 2004 Posted June 26, 2004 Hey man...nothing is unclear...didn't those bouncing boobies prove anything?
charlesk 0 Posted June 26, 2004 Author Posted June 26, 2004 Funny. 6 people voted for "gay", and yet all the posts in this thread say "Straight". Are our gay members the shiest?It doesn't have anything to do with shyness, Ross. Given this very same poll two years ago i would have voted AND posted "straight". We live in a society full of hypocrisy. Accounts on homosexuality/bisexuality have been silently censored out from history books, anthropology books and even zoology books about behavior of mammals. It is so common in the animal world, and in the ancient civilizations it was legitimate for males to have sexual relationships with each other. Homophobia is a by-product from strong male-dominated societies that began fearing that homosexuality will turn men into women, at the times women were considered lesser creatures. It amazes me that this by-product still exists nowadays. In a way, we have entered in a sort of obscurantist period, and just now we are coming back to our nature.Many people were gay/bi, here are some of the documented cases:Roberta Achtenberg (President Clinton appointee), Edward Albee (playwright), Alexander the Great (Emperor), Pedro Almodovar (film director), Sasha Alyson (publisher), W.H. Auden (writer), Sir Francis Bacon (writer), Joan Baez (musician), Josephine Baker (singer), James Baldwin (writer), Tammy Baldwin (Wisconsin state legislator), Deborah Batts (federal judge), Amanda Bearse (actress), Andy Bell (musician), Ruth Benedict (anthropologist), Michael Bennett (choreographer), Sandra Bernhardt (comic), David Bowie (musician), Rev. Malcolm Boyd (Episcopal priest), Keith Boykin (President Clinton aide), Benjamin Britten (composer), Glenn Burke (pro baseball player), Frank Buttino (former FBI agent), Lord Byron (poet), Julius Caesar (Emperor), Margarethe Cammermeyer (National Guard Colonel), Willa Cather (writer), Jean Cocteau (artist), Colette (writer), Aaron Copland (composer), Chief Crazy Horse, George Cukor (film director), James Dean (actor), Lea DeLaria (comedian), Melissa Etheridge (musician), Angie Fa (San Francisco board of education), Harvey Fierstein (playwright), Will Fitzpatrick (Rhode Island state senator), Errol Flynn (actor), E.M. Forster (writer), Congressman Barney Frank, Frederick the Great (Emperor), David Geffen (music producer), Sir John Gielgud (actor), Tim Gill (founder of Quark, Inc.), Allen Ginsberg (poet), Lorraine Hansberry (playwright), Sherry Harris (Seattle city council), Bruce Hayes (Olympic swimmer), Janis Ian (musician), Indigo Girls (musicians), Bob Jackson-Paris (pro bodybuilder), Henry James (writer), King James I, Elton John (musician), Frieda Kahlo (artist), David Kopay (pro football player), Sheila James Kuehl (attorney and former TV actress), Tony Kushner (playwright), k.d. lang (musician), Simon LeVay (biologist), Leonardo da Vinci (artist), Frederico Garcia Lorca (poet), Greg Louganis (Olympic diver), Amy Lowell (poet), Ian McKellen (actor), John J. McNeill (religious scholar), W. Somerset Maugham (writer), Keith Meinhold (Navy officer), Michelangelo (artist), Edna St. Vincent Millay (poet), Yukio Mishima (writer), Martina Navratilova (tennis champion), Georgia O'Keefe (artist), Dave Pallone (former baseball umpire), Phranc (folksinger), Plato (philosopher), Deb Price (newspaper columnist), Marcel Proust (writer), Kenneth Reeves (mayor of Cambridge, Massachusetts), First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt, RuPaul (supermodel), Bayard Rustin (civil rights activist), Sappho (poet), Dick Sargent (actor), May Sarton (writer), Franz Schubert (composer), Randy Shilts (journalist), Bessie Smith (singer), Socrates (philosopher), Jimmy Sommerville (singer), Joseph Steffan (Navy officer), Gertrude Stein (writer), Congressman Gerry Studds, Peter Tchaikovsky (composer), Dorothy Thompson (journalist), Alice B. Toklas (writer), Gore Vidal (writer), Tom Waddell (Olympic decathelete), Andy Warhol (artist), Walt Whitman (writer), Oscar Wilde (writer), Tennessee Williams (playwright), B.D. Wong (actor), Virginia Woolf (writer), Wu (Chinese Emperor), Babe Didrikson Zaharias (pro golfer), Joe Zuniga (former Army sergeant)And many others that, like some of you will do here, have lived hiding it. I expect some of these will even vote 'straight', as I would when I wasn't ready, and wait to see how this poll turns out and what is the attitude of the group before coming out.
Lurker 5 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 Shouldn't there be a "Not Sure" option...There should certainly be an "I'm not king mark, so I don't give a damn" option.Neil
King Mark 3,975 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 ...AgainK.M.Wondering why you can't delete OT posts
stewdog1 50 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 Huh? Â Dude. I'm a dude.so am I to figure you suck at softball, and you're not a lesbian? LOL do you have a mullet? I'm pretty good at softball, thank you.Mullet? Good grief, NO! There are two guys that I work with that have mullets and they are so proud of their hair. I literally have a hard time talking to them to their face. I get shivers when I am around them. 8O
Chris ChrusherComix 67 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 I came out of the closet in 1989.I feared my family and friends might reject me for coming out. Most of them, though, are supportive. I explained to them that I was born this way, and that nothing could be done to change it...I am homophobic. I was born with the God-given (if you believe in that sort of thing), genetically predisposed feeling of nausea, gagging and puking when confronted with the idea or visualization of a homoerotic image or act. I've recently trained myself to become desensitized enough to stop the gag reflex and at least realize that if I just don't say anything about my homophobia, then homosexuals and christophobes won't verbally attack me.This is a perfectly normal behavior, and anybody that stands against me on this is clearly a bigoted heterophobe and possibly even a Christophobe living in the stone-ages. I can't believe that such intolerant and hateful people can still exist in this progressive, modern-thinking world that should be forever free of such negative people calling me such hateful names such as bigot, and calling me homophobic (It's all in the pronounciation). Phooey to all the haterators!After all, I'm just a human with my own desires and feelings. How dare they try to change me! I WAS BORN THIS WAY, YOU BIGOT! I EVEN FOUND A GENE THAT SHOWS MY BRAIN IS WIRED THIS WAY!But I was pleased to know that when I came out of the closet, more and more people joined me and said they were homophobic too. Hey, it's normal! We are a part of the population! We can live our lives free of hate in this world... If only everybody would accept us. I only wish the world would tolerate and accept me as I am and the way I will always be... A homophobic heterosexual. By the way, I am offended that bestiality, adultery, pedophilia, necrophilia, rapephilia, adult-philia, fecalphilia, and urophilia were not choices on this poll. After all, they are all valid sexual orientations and how dare anybody speak otherwise about them. HOW DARE WE BE BIGOTS AGAINST THESE SEXUAL ORIENTATIONS!8ONow, now, all joking aside, I am tolerant of things that I personally disagree with and have friends who are homosexual. And I have found that people who don't agree with my opinion based on scientific studies and religious beliefs have been the most intolerant of all towards me, equating honest debate with racism. That's the most insulting thing I ever heard, and the point of the above joke. But seriously, I'm rather shocked that this thread is allowed. After all, the entire subject of alternate lifestyle choice is a charged political AND religious issue filled with hundreds of valid and/or passionate arguments from every direction that should all be tolerated equally in the name of true political correctness.-Chris, Wondering if this means that this Off-Topics forum is allowing religious and political topics now? Morn will be splendidly happy with such a thing if it's true and begin promoting his sexual feelings towards goats, urination (he calls them happy golden showers), and defecation (which he calls a fulfilling meal)...
tharpdevenport 4 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 Well, I guess that makes up for all the posts Crushere hasnt' been making lately.I bet Wael just came in here (Probably not having another idea for an animted "End of the world" idea) and voated six times Not that there's anything wrong with that.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 I am homophobic.Tell us something we don't know.
Chris ChrusherComix 67 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 I am homophobic.Tell us something we don't know. :cry: You bitter, hateful man. I see evidence already that you cannot tolerate. Get out of the stone ages!After all, I'm exceedingly tolerant of your closeted Christophobia, Mr. Cosman. 8O I hope someday you can come out of the closet like I have. Trust me, it makes you feel like you lifted a monkey off your back.Well, people like Morn like animals crawling on their backs, so for him, he can stay in the closet.
Lurker 5 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 I've recently trained myself to become desensitized enough to stop the gag reflexAre you sure you're not gay?Neil
Lurker 5 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 But seriously, I'm rather shocked that this thread is allowed. After all, the entire subject of alternate lifestyle choice is a charged political AND religious issue filled with hundreds of valid and/or passionate arguments from every direction that should all be tolerated equally in the name of true political correctness.This thread wasn't about anything like that until you brought it up. It was just a simple question and then you felt like you had to stand on your soapbox and post what you did. In the future, if you feel a topic is leaning to close to religious or political discussion, feel free to PM me about it and not add fuel to the fire. Also, a little self restraint might help, too. If both of these options fail, feel free to post your opinions on matters such as this at boards where it's allowed. The internet is vast. You will find a board where you can discuss topics the way you like.Consider this a warning.Neil
King Mark 3,975 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 It doesn't have anything to do with shyness, Ross. Given this very same poll two years ago i would have voted AND posted "straight". We live in a society full of hypocrisy. Accounts on homosexuality/bisexuality have been silently censored out from history books, anthropology books and even zoology books about behavior of mammals. It is so common in the animal world, and in the ancient civilizations it was legitimate for males to have sexual relationships with each other. Homophobia is a by-product from strong male-dominated societies that began fearing that homosexuality will turn men into women, at the times women were considered lesser creatures. It amazes me that this by-product still exists nowadays. In a way, we have entered in a sort of obscurantist period, and just now we are coming back to our nature....K.M.
Jill Sandwich 11,167 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 I'm one of those... erm, straight guys. Yeah. Just had to get that out. We're kind of rare... now. You know?
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 Bravo...good for you to come out like that.
Chris ChrusherComix 67 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 LOL! If you guys can't tell from my previous posts that I'm joking, then maybe we could all lighten up, ok? OK, look, I had to explain to Stefan in an email about it too, because he is the master of dishing out the quick wit and sarcasm, yet gets so easily offended when someone dishes it back. It's all in good natured fun. And Neil, I'm not the one who started any political discussion. All you need to do is read the thread before I jumped aboard to see contreversial commentaries, whether agree with them or not, ok?  I've recently trained myself to become desensitized enough to stop the gag reflex  Are you sure you're not gay? Not very tolerant of my natural feelings, Neil? It's not by choice... why would someone choose to be homophobic in todays anti-homophobe climate? (This is all sarcasm if there's ANY confusion ) Neil... if your theory holds some water, then you have now shed more light upon your own closeted feelings...Neil must be a closet Star Wars Prequel fan, eh? Come on, buddy! You can admit it! Your commentaries SCREAM that! CLOSETED PREQUEL FAN NEIL! ...and lastly, I did forget to mention that anybody who accuses a homophobe of being a closet homosexual is really insulting the homosexual lifestyle more than insulting the alleged homophobe, because one is using it as an insult towards the straight person. I've always gotten a kick out of that one. It's a very homophobic slam if you ask me. Not very politically correct either. Look, the point of calling myself a homophobe is to point out how ridiculous the term is using a bit of sarcastic hyperbole, and not a factual representation of my feelings by any stretch. Homophobia a term that I personally feel, doesn't exist. You either agree with an idea, or you don't. A phobia is something TOTALLY different. You can tolerate an idea, decision, or action that you don't agree with. It's all fine, and we can all move on. Being a straight, marriage-minded, family-loving Christian, I'm perfectly fine with people not agreeing with me, and calling them "Christophobes" is, again, using sarcasm to show how silly and slanderous the term homophobe is. Just don't call my opinions and statements wrong or bigoted unless you are willing to debate me about it, Ok? (Of course, no debating on this board, I'm just saying. )-Chris, Trying to lighten things up with some humor, while trying to make the point about tolerance being a two-way street and that political correctness is oxymoronic....PS- This is my last public message on the subject, unless someone drags me back in....
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 ...K.M.Let's not start THAT whole debate again KM.
King Mark 3,975 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 ...K.M.Let's not start THAT whole debate again KM.Well,you know,...,and furthermore,....but the point is ...K.M....
JoeinAR 1,957 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 I see this thread being locked soon because of people way above the mason dixon line.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 What's the mason dixon line?
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 And Neil, I'm not the one who started any political discussion.Homosexuality has nothing to do with politics or political discussion.
Chris ChrusherComix 67 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 This is my last post on the subject because I essentially missed it....Accounts on homosexuality/bisexuality have been silently censored out from <edit> anthropology books and even zoology books about behavior of mammals. It is so common in the animal world, and in the ancient civilizations it was legitimate for males to have sexual relationships with each other. Homophobia is a by-product from strong male-dominated societies that began fearing that homosexuality will turn men into women, at the times women were considered lesser creatures. It amazes me that this by-product still exists nowadays. In a way, we have entered in a sort of obscurantist period, and just now we are coming back to our nature.Look, this isn't a statement about homosexuality, but it is an attack on your argument...Are you suggesting that we act like animals? Animals violently rape, kill and eat each other too. Should we? And past civilizations oppressed and mass-slaughtered millions and MILLIONS of innocent people. Not really a strong argument if you ask me, and quite self-deprocating...BTW, Stefan, homosexuality IS a religious and political topic. Even our pro-or-con marriage threads a few weeks ago could be considered the same. Again, to clear things up, I don't hate homosexuals. Disagreements and hatred are two differnt things. I hope the two are never confused, but it seems like it always happens. -ChrisPS- OK... THAT'S my last post unless dragged in, I was dragged back in... Sorry....
Lurker 5 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 What's the mason dixon line?You can learn all about it by watching 1941.Neil
Morlock 12 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 Or listening to Robin Williams: Live at The Met.
John Crichton 4 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 What's the mason dixon line?It's generally considered the official dividing line between the northern and southern US. According to people below it, everyone above is a Yankee. And according to people above it, everyone below is a redneck hick.John- A native Texan who lived in New Hampshire and knows there are as many redneck hicks in Vermont and Maine as in the whole South. And there are plenty of transplanted Yankees down here.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 They are not limited to the South.Rednecks can be found in trailer parks across the globe.
John Crichton 4 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 They are not limited to the South.Rednecks can be found in trailer parks across the globe.Very true.
stewdog1 50 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 And that Mason Dixon line is more or less drawn in the sand.
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388 Posted June 27, 2004 Posted June 27, 2004 "It's about drawing a line in the sand, Dude..."
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