The Quick Question Thread

[ComposerEthan 24]

Can you post examples and time stamps to compare? Sorry, I'm like the least educated person in music on this board.

[indy4 160]

0:00, first 4 notes of Dies Irae

0:21, first 4 notes of Dies Irae (it's heard a few other times in this cue)

1:41, first 4 notes

0:00

Those are just a few examples, the theme shows up a lot more.

[ComposerEthan 24]

Is there any reason composers use it? Or just an homage/inspiring thing?

I think I've used it in my own works...because I've been inspired by those examples.

[indy4 160]

At this point it's a tradition to quote it. As for how it became a tradition, there are a lot of reasons--historical, musical, religious, psychological--and still nobody can really say for sure why it has lasted so long. The poem was created in the 13th century, the music in the 14th, so I think it's pretty amazing how long it has survived. I'm actually currently writing a paper on it for school, and it's just fascinating IMO.

[ComposerEthan 24]

I was reading the bit about Horner (that you said, in the Spiderman thread) and plagiarism. I'm not familiar with Horner except with Titanic (which I have not rewatched since i was a kid, but I do have his action cues from the OST, since I love symphonic action), and Avatar, which I have seen once and the OST never. Could you provide examples of what Horner has plagiarized? Like, one of his and what he took from?

[indy4 160]

There's the classic example of the Danger motif. It was written for this:

Horner first used it in Star Trek II

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7BsRGnJXQk

Here's a compilation of a few of the other uses of the Danger motif:

Here's a few of his other rips.

He also uses Copland in Field of Dreams, Prokofiev in Glory and Avatar, etc.

[ComposerEthan 24]

Dang. I see. How do people feel about this stuff? I mean, I can see similarities to ones own compositions and being inspired, but this sounds very deliberate. Like copying.

Last question, at least for now, 1:16-1:23 from Pursuit of the Falcon, it has that Williams step thing (which i've noticed he does, where he repeats a note, once or twice, then going up or down a note, don't know what it's called, but he uses it a lot like in The Tale Of Viktor Navorski, and I'm sure other people have noticed correct? This seems like another question, haha). Many of my friends have said that particular part sounds like something from Star Wars. Now I know these are both Williams scores, but it does sound familiar to me, reminiscent of his 80s action cues. Is it similar to anything from Star Wars or Indiana Jones?

[indy4 160]

Dang. I see. How do people feel about this stuff? I mean, I can see similarities to ones own compositions and being inspired, but this sounds very deliberate. Like copying.

Depends who you ask. Horner's plagiarism is a very controversial topic in the film music community.

[Jay 46,244]

Can someone explain to me this Dies Irae business? All I know is that composers like to use it, but I don't see how. I've heard Verdi's Dies Irae, but that's it. I'm thoroughly confused.

See here:

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12755

Could you provide examples of what Horner has plagiarized? Like, one of his and what he took from?

See here:

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=20214

[Xander Harris 9,677]

Why is the price of the Elfman box set up to $628.98 on Amazon?

[Jilal 681]

It's the film version insert for "Han Solo Returns". I guess they had to stick it somewhere, and they went with there!

Things were done different in 1997 than in 2007+...

Wow thank you!

I have some questions regarding BloodBoal!

1. What does "blood boal" mean anyway?

2. How old is BloodBoal? (I am thinking around 17, but I could be wrong.)

3. Where is BloodBoal located? Europe? US? Africa?

4. What's up with BloodBoal's unique sense of humor? What is he really thinking? What's behind that facade?

Europe, France

Irony

[Naïve Old Fart 13,025]

Does anyone know what the jazz music that playing in Bond's car in "The Living daylights", or the "ghetto-blaster" music is?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388]

looking for the youtube clip of the duel from TPM underscored by Arthur's Farewell from First Knight. I can't find the thread.

[alicebrallice 134]

does anyone know what the chances are for fans to get tickets to world premieres? is winning possible contests the only way? maybe someone remembers what the chances were during the lotr premieres etc.. not very big, I can imagine.

[Jay 46,244]

world premieres of what? Movies?

[alicebrallice 134]

[Jay 46,244]

?

[alicebrallice 134]

yes jason, movies.

[Jay 46,244]

Well 99% of movies world premieres are in Los Angeles, and those are usually only for the people who worked on the films and their friends and family, etc. Not really open to the general public.

[alicebrallice 134]

well this premiere will be in wellington

[Incanus 5,890]

So you are seriously trying to get tickets to the premiere of the Hobbit? Lycka till, bonne chance, good luck!

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Jay 46,244]

I don't think there's a hard and fast rule of how to score a ticket to any movie premiere. Each one's different.

[alicebrallice 134]

So you are seriously trying to get tickets to the premiere of the Hobbit? Lycka till, bonne chance, good luck!

hehe don't you think I know it's nearly impossible? it's just that there's a big chance I'll be in NZ during the premiere so...

[Jay 46,244]

You could try emailing people at Weta, Wingnut Films, or New Line Cinema

[alicebrallice 134]

I've already sent an email to weta, can't find the contact information for wingnut though, only a snail mail address.

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Incanus 5,890]

Come to think of it, I have no idea if regular folks can attend these premieres unless they have gotten their tickets by hook or by crook.

[KK 3,313]

No, she should come up with an even wackier design! Or better yet, somehow brilliantly combine all the drawf designs into one MEGA-hairdo!

They'll give you all the tickets you want after that

Come to think of it, I have no idea if regular folks can attend these premieres unless they have gotten their tickets by hook or by crook.

I guess when it comes premieres, our job is just to screech like girls for autographs? That sucks...

[Brónach 1,330]

How long would a score shipped from Buysoundtrax or Screen Archive take to reach Spain?

[Wojo 2,458]

In The Last Crusade, when Indy is fighting on top of the tank and his posterior is shown to the persicope soldier, and then his cheek is pressed against the scope, the solider turns to his crewmates and speaks something in German.

Why isn't that subtitled? It's been 23 years, and I had to look it up online to see that he says "The Americans...they fight like girls!" Until now, I've just waved it off as "De Fiber, de hens de Fiber" or something like that.

I don't speak German, and none of the dialogue is subtitled. I think that weakens the movie.

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

Not speaking German weakens the movie. Because the German spoken, especially in Raiders, is hilarious.

[Taikomochi 1,461]

Not speaking German weakens the movie. Because the German spoken, especially in Raiders, is hilarious.

For example?

[Wojo 2,458]

Not speaking German weakens the movie. Because the German spoken, especially in Raiders, is hilarious.

I agree with the first comment. I realized that while watching Der Untergang, which forced me to read so much to follow along. I did notice a lot of words that I started to "get" as the movie progressed, but that's not a movie I could watch over and over again to try and learn the language. It's a drag only knowing English and as much Spanish as you can remember from a four year high school program which ended 13 years ago.

[Josh500 1,620]

Not speaking German weakens the movie. Because the German spoken, especially in Raiders, is hilarious.

I am fluent in German, but I disagree.

Not speaking German doesn't weaken the movie. But yes, speaking German might add (slightly) to the hilarity factor!

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

Not speaking German weakens the movie. Because the German spoken, especially in Raiders, is hilarious.

For example?

"Aah scheissa!"

I agree with the first comment. I realized that while watching Der Untergang, which forced me to read so much to follow along. I did notice a lot of words that I started to "get" as the movie progressed, but that's not a movie I could watch over and over again to try and learn the language. It's a drag only knowing English and as much Spanish as you can remember from a four year high school program which ended 13 years ago.

Well... obviously it's best to understand a movie in its native language, but you can't speak all languages. I don't speak French, yet I definitely prefer watching a French movie subtitled than watching a dubbed version. Which is why I hardly watch TV. German TV dubs *everything*. And while German dubs seem to be much better than those of most other languages, they're still nothnig less than a rape of the original movie.

[Josh500 1,620]

And while German dubs seem to be much better than those of most other languages...

It's really not!

It's about the same as most other languages (French, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Japanese etc.). Sometimes the German version is actually quite bad... and I don't mean how the voice artists speak (which is not that bad), but the translations. Many jokes and subtle nuances are lost in German along the way, more so than in many other languages.

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Question:

Where is Jason's Complete Cue Analysis (as heard in the film) of Tintin? I can't find it...

[BloodBoal 8,711]

[Josh500 1,620]

Yes, thanks!

By the way I just made a discovery regarding "The Adventures of Tintin," the first track on the OS album!

Listen closely at 0:40.

And then listen to the same section but in the film version! The percussion line is different! The film version is WAY better... much more busy and energetic!

[Incanus 5,890]

Yes, thanks!

By the way I just made a discovery regarding "The Adventures of Tintin," the first track on the OS album!

Listen closely at 0:40.

And then listen to the same section but in the film version! The percussion line is different! The film version is WAY better... much more busy and energetic!

I think the difference in the percussion has been mentioned several times by now.

[Josh500 1,620]

Really? Somehow I suspected that...

Still, I found this out just now. Bummer! I hope there aren't any more differences, though...

[Marian Schedenig 11,695]

Can't locate the appropriate thread, so I'll ask this here...

On FSM's Ben-Hur, what's the deal with the sound quality on Circus Parade? There was a comment about it in some thread, but I can't remember the response. Circus Parade has much worse sound quality than any other track from the score (including all the Rome-recorded fanfares), in both the full and film edit versions. The official online track-by-track don't say why.

[crocodile 9,724]

I has been recorded outdooors to sound like it was performed live right there on the spot.

Karol

[Jilal 681]

Yes, thanks!

By the way I just made a discovery regarding "The Adventures of Tintin," the first track on the OS album!

Listen closely at 0:40.

And then listen to the same section but in the film version! The percussion line is different! The film version is WAY better... much more busy and energetic!

Yes.... I like the percussion in the film version much more. I even noticed that in the theatre.

[Josh500 1,620]

Yes.... I like the percussion in the film version much more. I even noticed that in the theatre.

I really wonder why the film version wasn't included on the OS album! Couldn't that have been a mistake?

I'd rather believe that than JW saying, "Oh, please make sure to include the version with the more bland drum line on the OS album!"

Because the film version is absolute perfection!

[Incanus 5,890]

Yes.... I like the percussion in the film version much more. I even noticed that in the theatre.

I really wonder why the film version wasn't included on the OS album! Couldn't that have been a mistake?

I'd rather believe that than JW saying, "Oh, please make sure to include the version with the more bland drum line on the OS album!"

Because the film version is absolute perfection!

I imagine that one of the possibilities is that the album was locked before they made the final review of the opening and thought that it needed a bit more prominent drums or it was the take Williams chose for the album since he liked it more.

[Josh500 1,620]

Yes.... I like the percussion in the film version much more. I even noticed that in the theatre.

I really wonder why the film version wasn't included on the OS album! Couldn't that have been a mistake?

I'd rather believe that than JW saying, "Oh, please make sure to include the version with the more bland drum line on the OS album!"

Because the film version is absolute perfection!

I imagine that one of the possibilities is that the album was locked before they made the final review of the opening and thought that it needed a bit more prominent drums or it was the take Williams chose for the album since he liked it more.

Yes. I agree. IMO, option 1 likelier, though. For some reason I can't imagine JW preferring the non-film version, since the film version is so much better!

Another possibility that I am not ready to discount is that an earlier version of this piece was included on the OS album by mistake...

[Naïve Old Fart 13,025]

A quick "Trek" question:

In ST:IV, Kirk says that money is not used in the 23rd century. If that is so, then how come McCoy was haggling over the price of passage to Genesis with the alien visitor, in the Starfleet bar in ST:III?

[Wojo 2,458]

Maybe that was the best excuse Kirk could come up with for not having money in his admiral's pockets? He was, after all, dealing with a woman. He was trying to get her to pay. Food first, nookie second.

The alien that McCoy was haggling with did not appear to be a member of Starfleet, and thus would not subscribe to the same principles of enlightened communism that the rest of the corps lived under.

Starfleet officers and enlisted crew lived on starships with all their needs taken care of, and Admiral Kirk's expansive flat overlooked the Golden Gate Bridge had an impressive amount of loot adorning the walls. This means they're pretty well off for not having any money. Blue alien with the big ears has his own spaceship, of course, but he has to try to skim something from this desperate loon (McCoy) in order to make ends meet. Something for nothing won't work with the non-Starfleet races. We see that later on with the Ferengi.

Also, don't forget that Scotty admits that he "bought a boat" in Star Trek VI, when the crew thought they were getting a retirement party. He didn't "make" a boat or "replicate" a boat or "get" a boat or "steal" a boat or "be given" a boat. (Memory Alpha says he "obtained a boat," how enlightening...) No, he "bought" it. Whether it was a boat for water (an old man for his fishing, no doubt), or a "boat" for space -- a spaceship -- that crashed him onto the Dyson sphere, is unclear.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,388]

The "no money" concept has never been consistently applied in Star Trek. Don't think about i......HEY LOOK, IT'S ENRICO PALAZZO!