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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:08 PM

So I'm listening to The Adventure Continues and there's a wonderful false ending around the last 30 seconds. This is a fun technique. It fits in a lighthearted piece like this. Another Williams I recall off the top of my head is Chamber of Secrets. There's a darker, more villainous-sounding piece of music. It works in a somewhat tongue-in-cheek sort of way, you know?

Other examples?

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:11 PM

Duel Of The Fates and The Forrest Battle are 2 well known examples.

I'm not a fan .

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 01:12 PM

For me The Adventure Continues has one too many false endings. It's overkill.

Parade of the Slave Children has a fun one.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 02:04 PM

I love false endings when they're done well.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 02:04 PM

Beethoven, 5th symphony, finale. I can't even count the number of false endings in that one.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 02:54 PM

Hedwig's Theme
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 03:02 PM

I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Are you talking about some sort of cymbal crash or crescendo that seems to signal a piece's end, but then it goes on? Many pieces have several climaxes within its duration.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 03:46 PM

It's technical term is Deceptive Cadence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VwCEz0yQ6U

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 04:19 PM

Horner's neverending end credits.
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 06:59 PM

I love the false endings from Adventure Continues. They seem like the fullest development of the stop-and-go motion that starts in the title track and continues throughout the rest of the score.

Superman Concert version has a false ending, although this one I dislike.
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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:11 PM

Horner's neverending end credits.


What was it..Spiderwick Chronicles (boot)

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 09:13 PM

I love the false endings from Adventure Continues. They seem like the fullest development of the stop-and-go motion that starts in the title track and continues throughout the rest of the score.


I like one of them. The other one sounds too much like an edit.

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:45 AM


Horner's neverending end credits.


What was it..Spiderwick Chronicles (boot)


Most Horner scores have end credits with sloooooow nevereding false endings.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:47 AM

At least Horner still writes his own end credits, instead of having them stitched together by an editor...

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:48 AM

I love Horner's end credits.
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 11:52 AM

And he does have a tendency to slowly wind down in his end credits. Braveheart is one of my fav (although not a lot of people will share that opinion)

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 03:17 PM

Horner's last moments of his end credits take the friggin' piss. They add two minutes to a five minute cue.


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Posted 27 February 2012 - 06:51 PM

At least Horner still writes his own end credits, instead of having them stitched together by an editor...


Yep, like avatar, a film he had several months if not years to work on....

oh, wait.

I hope Episode III is Called 'Revenge of the Sith'

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 08:13 PM

The End Credits for Revenge of the Sith on the OST might fit this category. It's a good one - I never want that track to end.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 08:18 PM

The End Credits for Revenge of the Sith on the OST might fit this category. It's a good one - I never want that track to end.


It's kind of a rehash of the end credits of A New Hope.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 08:50 PM

I usually turn it off after a few minutes.

Same with Mischief Managed

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 03:53 PM

It's technical term is Deceptive Cadence:


A false ending is in no way required to be a deceptive cadence. Also, none of the examples people have cited as false endings use a deceptive cadence. Great video, though.

Other Williams false endings would be "The Dance of the Witches/End Credits" from The Witches of Eastwick, "Summon the Heroes", "Catch Me if You Can (Reprise and End Credits)", "End Titles" from Dracula, "End Credits" from E.T. (this is an example of arriving on a deceptive cadence when coming from trumpets playing the 3rd of a V chord), "End Title" from Home Alone and Home Alone 2, "Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra" from Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade (though this can be argued), and "The Carriage Ride to Thornfield" from Jane Eyre. It can be argued that "The Lost World" and "Across the Stars" follow similar patterns. There are many, many more, but these stand out as the most memorable.

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 04:45 PM

It's technical term is Deceptive Cadence:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VwCEz0yQ6U


is this part of a series? Very interesting video, I'd actually like to see more. very informative

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Posted 05 April 2012 - 10:50 PM

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 07:27 AM

Is that beard real??

It seems to be.

George Marriner Maull's other videos in this Discovery Chat series are pretty interesting to those of us without musical training. He goes to explain very basics of music so that listeners can get more out of it.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 07:33 AM

The original album version of Raiders Of The Lost Ark (the first track) has a false ending which leads into the more intimate version of The Raiders' March theme. I love that track.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 07:38 AM

The original album version of Raiders Of The Lost Ark (the first track) has a false ending which leads into the more intimate version of The Raiders' March theme. I love that track.

I think it is the way the End Credits finish in the film. It is replicated in shorter for on DCC expanded album and I agree that it is a brilliant a bit light hearted ending to the piece, winding down softly to a finish and not going out with a bang as one would expect.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 02:34 PM


The original album version of Raiders Of The Lost Ark (the first track) has a false ending which leads into the more intimate version of The Raiders' March theme. I love that track.

I think it is the way the End Credits finish in the film. It is replicated in shorter for on DCC expanded album and I agree that it is a brilliant a bit light hearted ending to the piece, winding down softly to a finish and not going out with a bang as one would expect.


its in the end credits of the corcord re-release. it's and integral part of the end credits from the very beggining, only truncated/re-placed in the ost/1995 DCC.

I hope Episode III is Called 'Revenge of the Sith'

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 02:37 PM

I think it works better where DCC put it, as an overture and a lead in to the score.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 03:23 PM

That raiders march is an edit made from the 'raiders march-end credits'...

the coda is dialed out-faded out in the DDC end credits = unnatural, against nature!

I hope Episode III is Called 'Revenge of the Sith'

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 03:37 PM

I know it's an edit, I'm just saying it works better at the beginning.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 06:55 PM

I know it's an edit, I'm just saying it works better at the beginning.


I agree with Charlie. Even though WIlliams only recorded the March/End Credits cue in one configuration (full version w/ coda), I think the shortened version with coda opening the score and the full version but w/o coda acting as the end credits is a perfect way to present things. I hope that is retained on a future expansion, especially if said future expansion includes a remaster of the original LP, cause then we'll get the full cue w/ coda there anyway

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 10:00 PM

So when you have sessions with cues that are meant to segue into one another, you sort of end up with false endings. Like Temple of Doom or the Harry Potter bootleg. I love that.

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 02:00 AM

i prefer the coda at the end like on GM's set.

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The additional passage was interesting but not really something I would consider absolutely essential.


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Posted 09 May 2012 - 10:58 AM

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