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"The Emperor's theme" is used to represent the Dark Side of the Force, not just Palpatine. Its use in AOTC after the Tusken slaughter has nothing to do with Palpatine. It just represents the Dark Side in Anakin. 
 
In other news, Yoda's theme is used in Cloud City because Boba Fett is actually Yoda in disguise. 

"The Emperor's theme" is used to represent the Dark Side of the Force, not just Palpatine. Its use in AOTC after the Tusken slaughter has nothing to do with Palpatine. It just represents the Dark Side in Anakin. 
 
In other news, Yoda's theme is used in Cloud City because Boba Fett is actually Yoda in disguise. 

"The Emperor's theme" is used to represent the Dark Side of the Force, not just Palpatine. Its use in AOTC after the Tusken slaughter has nothing to do with Palpatine. It just represents the Dark Side in Anakin. 
 
In other news, Yoda's theme is used in Cloud City because Boba Fett is actually Yoda in disguise. 

Back when Phantom Menace came out, I knew Sidious was played by the guy who was the Emperor in Jedi, but I assumed they just liked him as the evil Sith guy so they recast him in a new part. So when they used the emperor theme again for him, I just thought it was one of those cases where they expand the use of the theme for other things. Sort of like how the rebel fanfare became associated with the Falcon in the Disney trilogy.

I teach trial advocacy skills as an adjunct law prof, and this exchange is somewhat reminiscent of the section on juries and confirmation bias.
 
Basically, once a juror has made up their mind on a case, they become very selective how they approach evidence. Evidence which tends to support whatever they've decided is accepted with little or scrutiny, no matter how weak, whereas any evidence which doesn't fit with their conclusions is more readily dismissed, no matter how compelling. 
 
There's plenty out there to undermine Mattris's core theory that Star Wars was mapped out in detail, and there's a grand plan, but he dismisses all of it with a wave of the hand as unreliable. To be fair, others here may be doing the same to a certain extent, but to be blunt I think Mattris is much more guilty of this, which is a reflection of his dogmatism on the issue, and the way he makes his argument is frankly reminiscent of a conspiracy theorist. The fact that he's changed his tune dramatically on Star Wars here over the years (his thing used to be Kathleen Kennedy was ruining it with a SJW agenda and TLJ was heresy) only serves to undermine his credibility.  
 
Mattris is either a masterful troll or a conspiracy theorist when it comes to Star Wars (I'm hoping it's the former), either way those who are arguing with him are wasting their time. There is no argument you can make that will convince him, because he'll simply dismiss your sources as unreliable. It's a fool's game.
 
Pro Tip: The more someone has to repeatedly assert that all their arguments are based on "facts and logic", the less likely it is their arguments are based on facts and logic. A truly logical, fact based argument is a thing of beauty, is recognisable, and speaks for itself.

Then there's literally no point in answering your question. You won't accept any evidence I give you because you can't conceptualize any. Starting to notice a pattern, anyone?
 

Here we have the 'bones of Christ' argument, common when someone wants to make out that their belief can be disconfirmed by evidence but in reality shows the exact opposite because they set the bar ridiculously high. For those not in the know, 'bones of Christ' goes along the lines of this. You're arguing with someone about whether Jesus Christ actually ascended back into heaven and wasn't just a normal person, and the person asks you to show them the bones of Christ, the implication being that it would take that in order to prove that he was a regular person. The problem being, there's hundreds of potential explanations for why we don't have the skeleton of Jesus Christ on hand and none of them have to do with divine resurrection. So here Mattris you've done the equivalent of asking me to present the bones of Christ, like that is the only possible way in order to come to the conclusion there isn't a grand plan for a second Sequel Trilogy, and then admitted that even if I gave you the equivalent of the bones of Christ, you'd still hold onto that belief anyway. I appreciate your honesty, but this is the most definitive proof, straight from the horse's mouth, that your belief is 100% not based on evidence.
 

All I have are guesses without you admitting anything but from your constant defense and dismissal of any criticism towards the Disney canon I suspect there's some kind of coping mechanism at play. You're fond of all this stuff that a lot of people shit on and dismiss, so you cling to the idea that they're 100% incorrect about how the way they feel because they're missing critical secret information that you, the only member of the public, are privy to. This way you can cope with the extreme negative backlash and feel above them because you get the 'true meaning of Star Wars'. It's not unlike the kind of thinking that drives people towards conspiracies.
 

I'm not talking about understanding Star Wars, I'm talking about having proof for what Lucasfilm are actually working on right now as we speak and what their plans really are. You obfuscate the entire conversation by bringing in all this waffle about how the signs were there in the canon all along, deliberately placed there as a coordinated effort by every single creative who ever worked on the Disney era of Star Wars, yet are making hard statements about the fact of Lucasfilm production that you can't back up with any facts.
 

"Can" is not good enough. Correlation is not causation.

Ain't nothing wrong with having a quiet drink, going into this thread and having a good hearty laugh.
 
Its therapeutic!

Every time I come to this thread and there isn't a new Mattris post, I die a little inside. I think I have a problem. Do they have support groups for this?

Most honest thing I've seen you say yet
 

By thinking of what the criteria of what you'd need to see in order to change your mind would look like. It's required if you want to claim your belief is based on evidence. You can certainly believe in something if you don't feel you've seen anything that meets the criteria to change that belief, that's why again it's hypothetical. There's an easy out to having to do this, by the way. Just admit to yourself that there's other factors that have formed this belief you hold so strongly. Then at least people can be more on the same page when they engage you and won't get frustrated when they assume your belief is founded on evidence and try and engage with it on that level.
 

What kind of evidence would you accept as valid for believing there isn't a plan? Also I'm putting my foot down, your canon/music evidence has no bearing on the realities of Lucasfilm production. You want to prove that reality, you present physical evidence - not literary metaphor and assumptions of creative intent.
 

No. Read what I said again.
 

Nope, them being fictional doesn't diminish them at all. It's just important to distinguish between fiction and reality, and it seems the lines have blurred for you to the point you're not thinking rationally about this.

I can't give you what I don't have... what simply doesn't exist for "reliable insiders" to share. This situation is not like "every recent Star Wars project". I doubt that anyone outside of the Disney/Lucasfilm execs, JJ Abrams, and his cast and crew even know what they did: filmed two episodes at once to hide their trixie. (That's why it was called that.)
 
I have used the evidence I have perceived to make an educated guess:
Episode X was shot with IX and will be released at a time of their choosing.
 
 
Please tell me: How can I 'disconfirm my belief with evidence'? Why is it necessary that I do this? If I was able to do so with all matters of uncertainty, could I ever believe in anything?
 
And you're damn right I want you to talk about your evidence for believing there isn't a plan... because we both know that evidence is weaker than weak  and must disregard my noted canon/music evidence as being part of a plan.
 
 
Are you saying that I have not 'presented the hypothetical evidence for my belief'?
 
 
First of all, diminishing the Star Wars canon (incl. the films) as "fictional" is a rather sad tactic. These works exist "physically in our world".  Identical words, phrases, and themes exist throughout all of the Saga films, novelizations, and screenplays... as well as the other canon material (novels, comics, shows, games, etc.).
 
Words have consistent definitions. Specific words, groupings of certain words (phrases), and specific sentiments can be recognized as being present in throughout different works. I have concluded that this specific literally identical  content was deliberately included throughout the decades of publicly-released Star Wars canon material (starting in 1976) in order to indicate - and prove - that connections exist that give the story additional context and significantly greater meaning.
 
The more quotes, connections, and observations provided... the more people would begin to realize what I have... and what Alec Guinness probably knew.
 
 
 
Maybe I'm enjoying the crusade and debate and learning a few things along the way. Plus, I must say, I'm looking forward to being vindicated again, as I was in April 2019 when everyone thought I was nuts, having gone out on a limb by myself.
 
 
This just in, we don't know that the questions and mysteries of Star Wars don't have clear-cut answers. They just haven't been answered yet.  More on this in Episode X.

Exactly! The "Trixie" working title contains both "IX" and "X". It couldn't be more obvious. If they weren't secretly filming them together, they would have chosen a different title that did include "IX" but didn't include "X". How is nobody persuaded by this?! 

i don't know why he is so adamant about Episode 10 being filmed already?  What does it add to his fantasy world?  Wouldn't it be just the same if they filmed it in the future since it's not going to be released for years anyway?
 
And for the sake of argument, if it is filmed, it must suck as much as TROS. 

That is actually a misdirection, they want you to think they're incompetent by using the spoiler block wrong 

I feel pretty confident that Mattris has a strong grasp of logic and epistemology, and we underestimate this grasp at our own peril. (So much easier for a troll to push people's buttons when they actually understand the topic at hand really well. I just don't know how he finds time for such a long-term, high-word-count trolling endeavor. What a way to spend one's life.)

Being "beaten" is not the same as failing. However, your behavior in this thread tells me you don't understand the difference.

The "default position" maintains the status quo, which in this case is that episode X does not exist

I'm sure you realize that for a secretly shot Episode X to remain a secret, all the pre production people, director, screenwriter, producer, all principle cast along with hundreds of extras and characters with very little screen time, editors, hundreds of VFX artists, composer, and I suppose even high level Disney/LF people would all have to keep tight lips. A rather large cover up, admittedly..?
 
and despite JediPaxis leaking pretty much the entire plot to IX several months before the movie came out, there are still no leaks whatsoever? Leakers already had the complete plot to VII also several months before that came out as well. I suspect you will say something like all of Bad Robot's leaks were deliberate, to throw people off the scent, including their leaks for non-SW properties
 
And lastly, do you think Palpatine will return in this one too? And be beaten for the third time?

If you're delusional. 
 
 
 
And then you will say we're being lied to or it's misdirection. So no one can really present any evidence to you. 
 
 
 
Everything that's ever been presented to you. 
There is never going to be any concrete proof for either theory because people can lie or misdirect.  
 
I can't believe Trevorrow's script was a fake made for a distraction without proof.  There is none that exists. 

You suspect Episode X was also filmed? How about you give me some actual production evidence instead of guessing? Every recent Star Wars project has had set photos (and in some cases full plot summaries) leaked. Not hard to get them, especially with reliable insiders and filming in public.
 
What you initially responded to is a quote of me talking about the hypothetical evidence I would need to see in order to believe that there is a grand plan. If you think I'm talking about my evidence for believing there's no plan for the trilogy then you have misread what I have said. I'm starting to think it's intentional at this point. It's almost like you do recognize what I'm saying about you being unable to disconfirm your belief with evidence means it isn't based on evidence, and you don't want to admit it. Seems to consistently be the one thing you keep twisting into talking about my evidence for believing there isn't a plan.
 

That the subject of the picture does not meet the criteria for what is considered an apple. In this case, you agree that it does meet the criteria, and I also agree it meets the criteria. Therefore we both have the belief that the photo is of an apple. However, we both used the same criteria to determine that, that being the criteria for what is an apple (reddish, stalk, particular shape etc.). It's hypothetical because it doesn't have to be true. That's why I don't get why you're so hesitant to present the hypothetical evidence for your belief, you don't have to agree that there is something out there that contradicts it otherwise you wouldn't be holding the belief in the first place (provided it is actually evidence-based).

To continue with the apple analogy, what's happening right now is we're both looking at a picture of an apple and you're telling me there's a worm in it. I would believe there's a worm in it, if I could see any evidence of the worm being there (spots on the apple, markings, glimpses of the worm). You believe there's a worm in there because you read a bunch of books about the apple and connected that they're saying there is a worm in it and it has always been there. I'm asking for physical evidence, you keep giving literary evidence. Words on a page in a fictional book do not dictate the reality of something that is physically in our world.

If you're delusional. 
 
 
 
And then you will say we're being lied to or it's misdirection. So no one can really present any evidence to you. 
 
 
 
Everything that's ever been presented to you. 
There is never going to be any concrete proof for either theory because people can lie or misdirect.  
 
I can't believe Trevorrow's script was a fake made for a distraction without proof.  There is none that exists. 

Isn't it fun when any account or piece of evidence that contradicts can just be dismissed as misdirection? 

George Lucas to TotalFilm, 2008:
 
"The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, The Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..."
 
Misdirection, I suppose, for Palpatine's eventual return...

So... the goal is for them to look as incompetent as possible, for them to eventually be seen as incredibly competent?
 

If Disney or Kennedy or (Force help us) JJ had had a plan that could be mucked up I would see something to object to in TLJ. But there wasn't any change in direction from TFA to TLJ. It's JJ. There is no direction. JJ might not have been happy with what Johnson pulled out of the Mystery Box. But there were ways to fix that, you know? Like saying "Hey, THIS is who Rey is. THIS is why she has visions when she touches the old saber. THIS is what Luke was doing and what he does when Rey hands him his old saber. And THIS is how Maz got the saber in the first place."
 
If there was an intended direction then I don't get that they can fire Lord and Miller out of hand for whatever sins they committed on Solo but when Johnson made Rey a "nobody" their hands were tied?
 
The "unforgivable" decision was when Disney managed to get EVERYONE back, including Harrison Ford! and then to NOT have all of them ever meet. And I felt like that before Carrie passed away.
 
Luke never stopped trying to do the right thing. He didn't refuse to help because he was scared or cowardly. He wasn't drunk in a ditch. He decided that his destiny lay along a different path after all. (If I wasn't so damn sick of Tatooine I think he should have been back on the farm.) So I really really don't get the objection to Luke's position in TLJ. It makes far more sense than whatever the First Order was.
 
(The First Order should have been Imperial wannabes striking from a hidden base in 30 year old ships. Maybe they were more dangerous than the Alliance realized... But they should NOT have been a super power with a greater force than the sitting galactic power.)
 
The biggest misstep in TLJ was that Luke shouldn't have talked to Yoda. He should have talked to Anakin.
 
Ahhhh, there's my Star Wars disenchantment.