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    HOOK (1991) - NEW! 2023 3-CD Ultimate Edition Produced, Edited, and Mastered by Mike Matessino featuring all Williams/Bricusse songs

    in JOHN WILLIAMS

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    1 hour ago, Richard Penna said:

    My solution would be that the OST should be a concept album for Neverland, and all the real world adult material would find a home on the expanded release. I don't think there's a way to include it amongst the fantasy music without sticking out like a sore thumb.

     

    I first heard the OST decades ago and, not being very familiar with the film (I've seen it once probably), did what you just described; heard the wonderful prologue, skimmed past 'We Don't Wanna Grow Up' (school play at the start... not my thing but fair enough), then came to track 3 and thought... what on earth is this?

     

    I get what Williams wanted to do with including that track, but when removed from the context of the film I don't think it comes across well.

    Prologue and then Granny Wendy music would have been a nice start for the OST.:wub:

    HOOK (1991) - NEW! 2023 3-CD Ultimate Edition Produced, Edited, and Mastered by Mike Matessino featuring all Williams/Bricusse songs

    in JOHN WILLIAMS

    Posted

    17 hours ago, Jay said:

    Recorded after the OST was locked:

    1. 1-03 Banning Back Home (Film Version) - the entire track

    2. 1-27 The Never-Feast (Film Version) - just the Insert

    3. 2-06 The Ultimate War (Film Version) - just the two Inserts
    4. 2-07 Death Of Rufio - just the first cue in the track
    5. 2-08 The Sword Fight And The End Of Hook - the entire track
    6. 2-10 Hook End Credits And Exit Music - just the final cue (Exit Music)
    7. 3-02 God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen - the entire track
    8. 3-20 Farewell Neverland (Short Version / Alternate) - just the Kensington Extension
    9. 3-21 Hook Exit Music (Alternate) - the entire track

    And is this also the stuff that Didier Deutsch didn't have access to years ago?

    Predict your top-5 2024 Most Likely JW expanded releases

    in JOHN WILLIAMS

    Posted

    In general, guessing is getting pretty easy. For LLL and others there's not much left to expand:

     

    From the 80s

    1. The Witches from Eastwick
    2. The Accidental Tourist
    3. Born on the Fourth of July

    From the 90s

    1. JFK
    2. Nixon
    3. Sleepers
    4. Seven Years in Tibet
    5. Stepmom
    6. Angela's Ashes

    From the 00s

    1. The Patriot
    2. Catch Me If You Can
    3. The Terminal

    That's it from his popular era.

    New Jerry Goldsmith Projects in 2024?

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Copy and paste.

     

    Releases that happened in 2017:

    - Thriller re-recording by Tadlow

    - Poltergeist II: The Other Side improved re-release by Intrada

    - Papillon expansion by Quartet

    - One Little Indian improved re-release by Intrada

    - The Haunting expansion by Varese Sarabande

    - Damnation Alley expansion by Intrada

    - The Russia House expansion by Quartet

     

    Releases that happened in 2018:

    - Rambo III improved re-release by Intrada

    - Thriller 2 re-recording by Tadlow

    - Baby: Secret of the Lost Legend improved re-release by Intrada

    - 100 Rifles improved re-release/Rio Conchos re-release by La-La Land

    - Small Soldiers expansion by Varese Sarabande

    - The Mummy expansion by Intrada

    - The Lonely Guy expansion and premiere CD release by Intrada

    - The Reincarnation of Peter Proud premiere release by Intrada

     

    Releases that happened in 2019:

    - Warning Shot improved re-release/Archer premiere release by La-La Land

    - Raggedy Man re-release by Varese Sarabande

    - Barnaby Jones premiere release by La-La Land

    - Planet of the Apes/Escape from the Planet of the Apes improved re-releases by La-La Land

    - Air Force One expansion by Varese Sarabande

    - The Great Train Robbery improved re-release by Quartet

     

    Releases that happened in 2020:

    - The Swarm improved re-release by La-La Land

    - Morituri improved re-release by Intrada

    - U.S. Marshals expansion by Varese Sarabande

    - Take Her, She's Mine premiere release by Intrada

    - Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea expansion by La-La Land

    - Total Recall re-release by Quartet

    - The Don Is Dead premiere release by Intrada

    - The Last Castle expansion by Intrada

    - Von Ryan's Express/The Blue Max re-releases by La-La Land

    - The Detective re-release/The Flim-Flam Man expansion by La-La Land

    - Inchon improved re-release by Intrada

     

    Releases that happened in 2021:

    - Looney Tunes: Back in Action expansion by Varese Sarabande

    - Face of a Fugitive premiere release by Intrada

    - Along Came a Spider expansion by Varese Sarabande

    - Lionheart expansion by Varese Sarabande

    - The Stripper expansion/S*P*Y*S expansion by La-La Land

    - Rio Conchos re-recording improved re-release by Intrada

    - Shamus premiere release by Intrada

    - Caboblanco expansion by La-La Land

    - The Public Eye premiere release by Intrada

    - Extreme Prejudice expansion by Intrada

    - The Russia House re-release by Quartet

    - Love Field expansion by Varese Sarabande

    - Basic Instinct re-release by Quartet

    - Ace Eli and Roger of the Skies improved re-release/Tora! Tora! Tora! re-release by La-La Land

    - Legend expansion by Music Box

    - Masada expansion by Intrada

     

    Releases that happened in 2022:

    - Star Trek: The Motion Picture shortened re-release by La-La Land

    - Black Patch/The Man re-recording by Intrada

    - The Sand Pebbles improved re-release by Intrada

    - Seconds expansion by Quartet

    - Matinee expansion by Intrada

    - Anna and the King expansion/A Tree Grows in Brooklyn expansion/Room 222 expansion/Prudence and the Chief premiere release/Only in America premiere release/Nick Quarry improved re-release/A Girl Named Sooner improved re-release by La-La Land

    - Rudy expansion by Varese Sarabande

    - Jerry Goldsmith at the General Electric Theater Volume 1 & 2 premiere release (digital)

    - Hollow Man expansion by Intrada

    - L.A. Confidential expansion by Varese Sarabande

    - The 'Burbs expansion by La-La Land

     

    Releases that happened in 2023:

    - City Hall expansion by Varese Sarabande

    - Jerry Goldsmith at the General Electric Theater Volume 3, 4, & 5 premiere release (digital)

    - MacArthur premiere release by Intrada

     

    This year's releases:

    - Inchon improved re-release by Intrada

     

    Potential Releases:

    1. Timeline - only OST exists, surefire seller
    2. Soarin' Over California - only ride cue commercially released, loading and unloading (what they call "fill and spill") cues remain unreleased though there's a YT upload of the former
    3. Disney's The Kid - never recorded but Goldsmith wrote two dozen cues which exist at the Academy's Margaret Herrick Library, and a new recording could be produced
    4. The 13th Warrior - only OST exists, must be licensed out by Disney, surefire seller
    5. Mulan - only OST and FYC exists, must be licensed out by Disney, surefire seller
    6. Fierce Creatures - only OST exists (several film cues remain unreleased)
    7. 2 Days in the Valley - only posthumous OST exists, moderate seller
    8. Angie - only OST exists, moderate seller
    9. Babe (the Gallant Pig) - never recorded but Goldsmith wrote 17 cues (covering over 80% of the film) which exist at the Academy's Margaret Herrick Library, and a new recording could be produced
    10. Malice - only OST exists, moderate seller
    11. Six Degrees of Separation - only OST exists, bad seller
    12. The Vanishing - expansion almost complete, moderate seller
    13. Medicine Man - only OST exists, must be licensed out by Disney, surefire seller
    14. Mr. Baseball - only OST exists, bad seller
    15. Mom and Dad Save the World - only OST exists, moderate seller
    16. Not Without My Daughter - expansion almost complete, however: lost elements, bad seller
    17. Brotherhood of the Gun (aka Hollister) - theme only (several versions); score composed by Joel Goldsmith
    18. H.E.L.P. - theme only (format music including Main Title); scores composed by Joel Goldsmith
    19. Leviathan - only OST exists (potential expansion by Quartet), surefire seller
    20. Link - only OST exists, commercially (expanded boot has poor sound)
    21. Innerspace - expansion almost complete, surefire seller
    22. Supergirl - expansion almost complete, must be licensed out by Silva, surefire seller
    23. Under Fire - only OST exists (Twilight Time Blu-ray iso track is music & effects)
    24. The Secret of NIMH - expansion only added a single cue (almost 10 minutes still missing)
    25. Raggedy Man - only OST exists
    26. The Final Conflict - expansion almost complete, surefire seller
    27. Twilight's Last Gleaming - only OST exists, good seller
    28. Damien: Omen II - expansion already complete, surefire seller
    29. The Cassandra Crossing - expansion already complete, good seller
    30. High Velocity - only OST exists, good seller
    31. Damnation Alley - Intrada had to re-record synth elements; score is OOP and especially deserves a re-release if original synth elements are ever uncovered
    32. Ransom (aka The Terrorists) - only (terrible) OST exists
    33. Only in America (aka The Best of Times) - only four brief cues (two minutes) released by LLL in 2022 taken from the pilot film's mixed audio track; complete score would probably require a new recording
    34. Indict and Convict - score for TV movie starring William Shatner and Eli Wallach
    35. The Waltons: "The Foundling", "The Typewriter", "The Star", "The Ceremony", "The Literary Man", "The Love Story" - Goldsmith wrote the series theme and scored these six episodes; tapes are lost and might require a new recording
    36. Pursuit - score for TV movie starring Ben Gazzara and Martin Sheen
    37. The Other - Varese only released a single track 23 minute suite on album covering about half the score (Twilight Time Blu-ray isolated score track preserves film micro-edits)
    38. The Mephisto Waltz - only OST exists (several cues are missing and mix is entirely different from the film)
    39. The Last Run - only (re-recorded) OST exists; film recording is apparently lost
    40. Crawlspace - score for TV movie starring Arthur Kennedy
    41. Do Not Fold, Spindle, or Mutilate - score for TV movie starring Myrna Loy
    42. Lights Out: "When Widows Weep" - TV pilot score
    43. Hollywood Television Theater - theme only
    44. The Ballad of Cable Hogue - only OST exists, ~7 minutes of score unreleased (plus lots of source music)
    45. Bracken's World: "A Score Without Strings" - episodic TV score
    46. The Chairman - only OST (+ one additional short cue fragment) exists (Twilight Time Blu-ray isolated score track is music & effects)
    47. "The People Next Door" (CBS Playhouse) - score for TV movie starring Lloyd Bridges and Robert Duvall
    48. In Like Flint - Intrada released the OST, Varese released less than half the film recording (Twilight Time Blu-ray isolated score track preserves film micro-edits)
    49. Our Man Flint - Intrada released the OST, Varese released less than half the film recording (Twilight Time Blu-ray isolated score track preserves film micro-edits)
    50. The Legend of Jesse James: "Things Don't Just Happen" - episodic TV score
    51. The Satan Bug - premiere release has only half the score free of intrusive sound effects
    52. In Harm's Way - expansion only added a single score cue and two source cues (over half the score still unreleased!)
    53. Ben Casey: "Eulogy in Four Flats" - episodic TV score
    54. Shock Treatment - expansion almost complete
    55. Gunsmoke: "Doc Judge", "The Blacksmith", "The Wake", "Love Thy Neighbor", "Old Faces", "Whispering Tree" - six episodic scores for this western TV series
    56. Destry: "Destry Had a Little Lamb", "Law and Order Day", "Stormy Is a Lady" - three episodic scores for this western TV series
    57. Breaking Point: "A Little Anger Is a Good Thing", "So Many Pretty Girls, So Little Time" - at least two episodic scores for this western TV series
    58. The General With the Cockeyed Id - commercially unreleased; bootleg exists with terrible sound
    59. Take Her, She's Mine - 2020 premiere release still missing a number of cues
    60. Chrysler Theater: "A Killing at Sundial" - series pilot score
    61. Lilies of the Field - only OST exists
    62. Kraft Mystery Theater: "Shadow of a Man" - episodic TV score
    63. Freud - Varese shouldn't own perpetuity rights, but their expansion wasn't quite complete and omitted two alternates present on the LP release (including the music tracked into Alien!)
    64. Wagon Train: "The Ah Chong Story", "The Wagon Train Mutiny" - two episodic TV scores
    65. 87th Precinct: "Step Forward" - episodic TV score
    66. General Electric Theater - at least 9 scores for this series; Leigh Phillips has so far newly recorded 4 of them but the original recordings are completely unreleased
    67. Thriller - Leigh Phillips did re-recorded suites (cond. Nic Raine) representing a dozen of Goldsmith's scores for this series; four scores of his remain completely unreleased (the original recordings were only available on DVD isolated music & effects tracks)
    68. Tomorrow's Newspaper: "All Day to Live" - unsold pilot score
    69. Rawhide: "Incident in the Middle of Nowhere" - episodic TV score
    70. The Twilight Zone - some scores are incomplete and two of his scores are unreleased (apart from isolated score track w/ dialogue bleed): "The Four of Us Are Dying" and "Nightmare as a Child"
    71. The Expendables - unsold pilot score
    72. Have Gun — Will Travel: "The Fatalist", "A Head of Hair" - two episodic TV scores
    73. Studs Lonigan - a handful of short score cues are missing, plus an original Goldsmith source cue based on his main theme
    74. Playhouse 90 - two scores partially released; many others totally unreleased
    75. Perry Mason: "The Case of the Blushing Pearls", "The Case of Paul Drake's Dilemma" - first score released complete; second score entirely unreleased
    76. The Lineup: "Wake Up to Terror", "The Strange Return of Army Armitage", "Lonesome as Midnight" - first score partially released; other two scores (and new Main Title!) unreleased
    77. Peck's Bad Girl - theme and multiple episode scores
    78. Pursuit - short-lived 1959 anthology series for which Goldsmith wrote at least one score
    79. Black Saddle - theme only; multiple commercial covers have been released but never original
    80. Man on the Beach: "Saturday Night in Santa Monica" - unsold pilot score; only partially released as "Jazz Theme #1" on Twilight Zone album
    81. World in White - unsold pilot score
    82. The Sergeant and the Lady - unsold pilot score
    83. Studio One - at least nine scores (five minute fragment of one of them was released as "Jazz Theme #2" on Twilight Zone album, but I am SO not counting that as a release for this series)
    84. Frontier Gentleman - theme and three episodic scores; his final work for radio
    85. The Wanderer - unsold pilot score
    86. Crime Classics - unsold pilot score
    87. Climax! - who knows how many original scores? (I've confirmed at least three)
    88. CBS Radio Workshop - at least six extant episodes including the masterpiece "1489 Words"
    89. CBS Suspense - at least four extant radio episodes
    90. CBS Romance - at least seven extant radio episodes
    91. Hallmark Hall of Fame - at least three extant radio episodes
    92. Columbia Workshop - one extant episode (his first original radio score, in November 1951)

     

    Black = only OST exists

    Red = expanded, but not complete

    Orange = complete, but in exigent need of a reissue or a remaster

    Blue = any of those categories, owned in perpetuity by Varese Sarabande

    Purple = completely unreleased

    New Jerry Goldsmith Projects in 2023?

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    4 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:

    Technically the latter included both a premiere of the film recording *and* a (nicely remastered by Chris Malone) reissue of the long OOP (for like three decades) original album recording.

    Chris Malone did this? Very nice! I've become a wee bit hesitant about new Intrada releases (for obvious reasons), but that man normally is a quality insurance.

    96th Academy Awards (2024 Oscars for 2023 films)

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    6 hours ago, Edmilson said:

    How's the Killers of the Flower Moon score? I barely seen anyone talking about it.

    It is quite unspectacular in a way, but also very effective. As Thor pointed out, what makes it special is that it is really well spotted. In the film it is effectively used as kind of a constant anxious thumping (less in a muscial and more in a figurative sense). Another pro is the vintage sound.

     

    6 hours ago, Edmilson said:

    And what about Poor Things? From what I've seen, it seems like one of those scores that "works well in the movie, but horrible to listen to".

    As many have pointed out, it's barely enjoyable on album, but really cool in the film. It beats Indy V in originality, so there's that.

    LLL:OCTOPUSSY – 40th ANNIVERSARY: EXPANDED/REMASTERED LIMITED EDITION (2-CD SET)

    in General Discussion

    Rank The Indiana Jones Films

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Schilkeman said:

    it also doesn’t have a point. It just is. It’s joy and meaning is in the kinetic appeal of the moving picture. 

    Well, that is exactly what the ideology critical perspective is all about: There is nothing that cannot have a point and even if its creator claims that it does not have a point at all - it just shows you how unaware he is of the point that their work of art does have. Hating this guy (he's relatively new to the English speaking community on YouTube) seems to be part of the early process of knowing him, when he starts spoiling a good chunk of childhood memories, but one gotta cope with the ambivalence that one may have in mind from here on.

    Rank The Indiana Jones Films

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Even though I love the original three movies which are all more or less on the same level (the criticism of TOD is hypocritical at best), I like to look at the films from a historical and ideology critical perspective. It is revealing that they are not exactly as original as, say Tarantino's Django Unchained which stands out from its idols through its postmodernism, while Indiana Jones is more a technically refined repetition of the golden age adventure cinema and film noir.

    I don't particularly agree with him here, but he has some very interesting thought on the series.

     

    The fourth film is debatable and the fifth film simply is a catastrophe which doesn't have much to debate about.

    Jerry Goldsmith's MACARTHUR (1977) - NEW! 2023 Intrada 2-CD

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    The awfully sloppy cover art was only a hint to the carelessness that would be found on the CDs:

    • two alternates from the original album are missing ("The Hollow Man" and "Linda & Sebastian")
    • some of the combined cues have very harsh transitions with background hiss blatanly fading out and in
    • there is no real volume compression, but the separate tracks seem to be normalized - this is why the tracks with lower peak volume got amplified, which leads to very unnatural volume dips between the tracks
    • moreover, some of the track combos have the cues within play at different volume, because each cue got normalized by its own
    • I don't know, what the fuck they were thinking, but the film version inserts of some alternates were implemented in such shitty fashion that you would hardly be able to find on a bootleg, like for example in "Bloody Floor" and "The Big Climb" - sorry, I'm not trying to be rude here, but it really sounds horrible
    • there are several stances of overdriving volume (the alternate opening of "The Big Climb" and the brass blast at the start of "Hi Boss"
    • the end credits suite, which features no new music was taken from film stem and has very obvious crackling sounds

    All in all, this is a release that had good sounding source material available and still got the worst out of it. No one can tell me, they did quality-check this one. It feels like Intrada's main issue is the volume (and not for the first time).

    HOOK (1991) - NEW! 2023 3-CD Ultimate Edition Produced, Edited, and Mastered by Mike Matessino featuring all Williams/Bricusse songs

    in JOHN WILLIAMS

    Posted

    9 hours ago, rough cut said:

    All in all, I’m a little bit on the fence about he ‘ultimate’ cover. On one hand, it’s gorgeous to look at, and really appeals to my sensibilities in terms of artistic choices. From this subjective point of view it is an improvement over the ‘expanded’ cover. On the other hand, perhaps it strays just a little bit too far away from the original source material.

    It is kind of a statement to go from such a busy to such plain artwork, maybe it is supposed to make the two releases easily distinguishable. A statement à la "This is not a re-release, this one's different."

     

    3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

    I usually pass on the first pressing in case any fuckup in quality control...

    La-La Land hasn't really had any of these fuck-ups. It has mainly been Intrada and Varese.

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