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On 18/04/2015 at 8:10 AM, thx99 said:
Found an audio recording of the recent "panel discussion" from Star Wars Celebration:
Direct link: http://s52.podbean.com/pb/1a05bf608d870842dd43c30c94cb3b3e/553248de/data2/blogs24/365299/uploads/MusicEmpirePanel.mp3
As a side note, here is the 16-part podcast that Collins refers to, titled "Star Wars Oxygen - The Music of John Williams": http://www.shotglassdigital.com/releases/?a=3554 (two pages)
EDIT: Podcast previously mentioned by MrScratch HERE.
You don't happen to know whether this is still available anywhere do you? The link appears dead and it wasn't archive.org'd.
I'm working on cataloguing all available footage from the various Star Wars Celebrations over the years:
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I finally got a chance to see this movie. This score is fantastic! Definitely going to check out the deluxe score album
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Other people mentioned The Last Jedi already but for me that's really one of the only movies I've seen where I walked out of the theater incredibly disappointed. Kind of sad too because I was really excited for it before it came out. It basically killed my love for Star Wars for a few years until I got back into it through the music.
The Rise of Skywalker didn't disappoint me because my expectations were already so low and I didn't take the film seriously. And that's okay, because it seems the writers didn't either.
Since I have such a small list and this was just so disappointing, I'm going to venture a little beyond movies for a second:
The Promised Neverland Season 2 is the most disappointing thing I have ever watched, and probably ever will. I don't understand how it's even possible for the same creative team to fuck up so badly after making a masterpiece season 1. The first episode is still to this day one of the strongest hooks I've ever seen in a show, and the entire story of season 1 is just beautiful.
Then for season 2 they decided not to adapt most of the rest of the story and to just skip over almost everything to speedrun to the ending. The result is a season that is confusing and nonsensical, and missing almost all of the best and most important parts of the source material.
Just to give an idea of how much they skipped:
Season 1 covered 37 chapters in 12 episodes
Season 2 covered 141 chapters in 11 episodes
Oh and also the final episode ends with a fucking *slideshow* to show the epilogue of the story, followed by a bunch of random frames of earlier arcs they didn't adapt. It's so baffling it's not even funny
The Promised Neverland Season 2 is the only piece of media I've ever wished was never made.
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I had a dream a month or two ago that jwfan was a physical place, a bar that music fans came to discuss his work, and that I was a taxi driver who had to take John Williams there to do an interview in person.
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1 hour ago, Schilkeman said:
From memory, the scene with Obi-Wan, and the speeder bike chase don’t have music, but yeah, the minute count certainly ticks up in that movie.
The former of which had music written for it
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1 hour ago, Jay said:
DVDs are 480p not 480i
Actually I just looked this up, it seems they can be both. Interesting.
I assumed 480i for all (NTSC at least) because the most recent one I watched was interlaced
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On 23/05/2023 at 4:00 AM, JTW said:
Same with the jump from VHS to DVD.
As much of an improvement over VHS as DVDs are, it's funny in retrospect to look back at them and realize just how *terrible* they look.
480i with compression artifacts...
There was a time in the mid to late 2000s when all you could buy were DVDs and yet you could watch TV in 1080p
It's quite fascinating honestly
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2 hours ago, Brando said:
Do you guys remember the music edit of The Battle of Yavin from the '04 release? @Manakin SkywalkerSent it to me a little while ago and I didn't realize they cut out a chunk of the first cue.
Wait what? I have the 1997 and 1993 sets pulled up in audacity and I don't see anything obvious missing. I thought the 2004 was just a rerelease of the 1997. Where is the edit?
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2 hours ago, Jay said:
The music we think of as "The Throne Room" and "End Titles" was originally written by Williams as one long single cue: 12M2 End Titles.
When it got to the recording stage on March 12th, they recorded it in two pieces.
bars 1-51 = "The Throne Room"
bars 52-end = "End Title"
Later, Williams beefed up the first 9 bars (52-60) of the end credits opening, and these new bars were recorded on March 16th along with the original bars 61-72 in order to easily slot the new recording into the existing one. They called this new 21-bar recording 12M2X.
If you listen closely to the original analog edition of the Star Wars original soundtrack (IE, the original vinyl, or the early 90s 2-CD set) you can CLEARLY hear the bad 1977-era analog edit as "The Throne Room" transitions into 12M2X, and when 12M2X transitions into the rest of the end credits.
For the 1993 4-CD anthology, the edits were redone digitally and sound much smoother, and same with the 1997 2-CD set.
The original opening of the end credits is the only thing recorded for Star Wars that didn't make it onto the 1997 2-CD set, and remains unreleased to this day.
Here's the page of the 1997 2-CD set's booklet that shows the recording dates, and takes used
I've read before that the original end credits opening was audible on track 1 of the OST, but I don't remember hearing any differences between that and the actual end credits track which had the insert
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9 minutes ago, Jay said:
Funny thing is its on John Williams "official" (?) channel, which I thought was run by Sony (?)
Is this this not a channel "run" by anyone, but where youtube automatically puts certain uploads?
Yeah I believe the way Topic channels work is that music credited to that person in YouTube's backend copyright database get a video copy automatically uploaded to the corresponding channel. That's why "Various Artists - Topic" is a nightmare with tons of random stuff by unrelated people, anything with more than one creator in YouTube's backend gets uploaded there
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9 minutes ago, Jay said:
Williams titled the cue "Lost R2", it was 3M2. That initial version was never recorded; 3M2 Rev (minor modifications) was recorded instead, and then it was rewritten with the force theme as 3M2 New. But it was called "Lost R2" both times it was recorded.
The track on the original soundtrack album titled "The Princess Appears" contains two cues inside it - [3M1 Rev] The Princess Appears and [3M2 New] Lost R2.
The name "Binary Sunset" was invented for the 1997 2-CD set; The track "The Hologram / Binary Sunset" contains 3M1 Rev followed by 3M2 New, while the track "Binary Sunset (Alternate)" contains 3M2 Rev.
Do you happen to remember the name of the "origins of the 1997 track titles" thread or post I was referring to above?
3 hours ago, enderdrag64 said:Actually this question reminds me I once saw a thread on here where someone asked where the 1997 track titles came from and there was some backstory about Lucasfilm policy and needing to include as many technical terms as possible or something? Does anyone remember this thread? I've never been able to find it again it's almost like I imagined it
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1 hour ago, Tallguy said:
Where the hell did that title come from? Can you even imagine Williams thinking those words, let alone spelling them? Wasn't the closest to a sci-fi term he ever used "hyperspace"?
Actually this question reminds me I once saw a thread on here where someone asked where the 1997 track titles came from and there was some backstory about Lucasfilm policy and needing to include as many technical terms as possible or something? Does anyone remember this thread? I've never been able to find it again it's almost like I imagined it
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I don't really care that the article includes as much music from different Star Wars properties as possible, that's presumably what they were paid to do - it's just a fluff piece.
I do think it's really pathetic that half the OT music isn't commercially available and they had to link to some random uploads because there are no official ones
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29 minutes ago, ThePenitentMan1 said:
How do these edits match up with the sheet music for Carbon Freeze?
^This should roughly be equivalent to what's in the film. The bit from the original cue is no longer present and the horn intro for the insert is spliced in from the Anthology.
^This was edited to place the ending of the full cue in line with the film version after the end of the extended brass note. I'm fairly certain those strings at 1:03 aren't supposed to be there. :P
I actually just made some discoveries yesterday that are related to this:
We don't actually have to speculate about what the full unedited cue would sound like at all: it's available in the 1983 Radio Drama, as is the clean ending of the insert.
9m6-10m1 Carbon Freeze:
9m6-10m1 Insert Bar 57:
Sorry for the dialogue and SFX, you can remove the dialogue from the insert with phase inversion but then it's of course mono. The actual cue has dialogue that isn't mixed center so doing that isn't possible.
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I don't understand why using Star Wars music would cost them anything at all - my understanding was that Lucasfilm had completely paid off the reuse fees for the OT scores (and likely the PT as well) as a lump sum so they'd never owe them again
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27 minutes ago, Andy said:
Talk about a labor of love! I tried to get my daughter to take a film music class at her university, but no dice. What was the assignment exactly? Did your professor give you parameters, or was it just to analyze a film score? I’m curious what scores your classmates chose also.
Well the assignment was to write a "1500 word paper analyzing the music of one complete feature film of my choice".
The guidelines said I should include some terms we had learned about (like mickey-mousing) and mentioned a couple other minor things to talk about, but other than that I was basically free to structure it however I wanted.
I did go a little overboard on the length, although to be fair the instructions said it could be more than 1500 words if we wanted.
I have really no idea what any of my classmates wrote about because I never saw any of their papers. Unfortunately, I did sort of get the impression that most people taking the class were simply there for the humanities requirement and not because they were interested in the material.
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53 minutes ago, ThePenitentMan1 said:
Thanks! I had a feeling the horns were the start of the insert, seeing as they're clearly different takes between the Anthology and the SE.
Admittedly, I was thinking the end of the insert might've been the brass note at 4:17 of this video (from the film version of the cue), but it looks like that isn't the case after all:
Wait a second you might be onto something, perhaps I read the sheets wrong let me check again to be sure.
Edit: yeah you're correct I saw the end of the strings section and must've forgotten to scroll up to check the rest of the orchestra. A rather silly mistake. Thanks.
Edit again: that's actually really interesting, solves a mystery because I've always wondered where that extra note in the film version came from, turns out the albums just cut the insert off early
43 minutes ago, Brando said:Just got done reading it, amazing work! I hope you get a good grade on this.
Thanks!
43 minutes ago, Brando said:I didn't realize you were discussing the theatrical version of the film until I saw you put 'the ending of Yoda Raises The Ship was tracked with the concert suite' and I was like what are you talking about?
Oh yeah I forgot the Special Edition changed around the music a bit lol, perhaps I should have clarified that in the paper. That's actually probably one of the best changes made by the SE, the original analog edit sounds terrible.
43 minutes ago, Brando said:Also, this is what 6M4 would've scored, right?
No actually, 6m4 would've scored the scene with Luke running around with Yoda on his back right before the dark side cave scene. All of the footage it would've scored is still in the final film.
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4 hours ago, ThePenitentMan1 said:
Wow, you actually have that?!
How does the insert begin? How does it end?
The insert starts with this fanfare (you can actually sort of hear the edit when the brass switches from both ears to just the left):
These notes exist in the original cue too, but were copied over for the insert and presumably re-recorded. Listening again to the 1993 and 1997 releases back to back it does sound like this section is a different recording.
The insert ends with the love theme trailing off on the strings, right before the low woodwinds statement. The low woodwinds are part of the original cue but the strings are part of the insert, they're crossfaded/overlayed quite well on the two albums:
It's possible that clean openings or endings for this might be audible on the Radio Drama or on the Crimson Empire audiobook but I'd have to go back and check
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2 hours ago, ThePenitentMan1 said:
IIRC, it was the other way around; the 1993 set uses the unedited cue and the 1997 set adds in the insert. The athematic dissonance is the insert.
I had believed this too until I was researching for this paper:
Unless I really can't read music this looks to me like the love theme is in the insert
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I've been waiting to post this for a while, I worked on this as my final project for a film music class I took this semester, I figured I might as well share it here now that it's graded.
I'm sure none of this information is new for anyone here - and I don't think my music analysis skills are the absolute greatest - but I tried to document everything known about the score as best as I could.
Hopefully it's a valuable resource for somebody.
Please let me know if I made any mistakes or anything so I can fix them.
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55 minutes ago, SilverTrumpet said:
Holt's score was that bad. Even in my own circles, I had Star Wars fans who really had at best 101 level knowledge of the music point out how bad the music was in that show. Unless it's Williams and talking about how great it is, nobody really brings up the music.
Idk I think Andor's score was about as equal in caliber to Kenobi or maybe even a little worse and yet a lot of mainstream Star Wars fans praise that score to no end
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This is purely coincidental, but I thought it was interesting.
I've been rewatching Doctor Who, and in 1x06 Dalek there's a theme that shows up a couple times that has the exact melody of Battle of the Heroes from ROTS.
It shows up right before the title theme in the episode, and again around the 25:40 mark as the Doctor tells the military group that the Dalek isn't indestructible
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Sorry, I posted it in the 2018 remasters thread because there were a lot of posts in there about whether or not various masters still exist and in what condition
Michael Giacchino's Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (2016) - 2022 Expanded Edition now available
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To be fair I've seen some Rebels composers retweet fan petitions to get a season 3/4 soundtrack release, which at least implies they don't have the power to ask for one on their own