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    Pauling reacted to Pawel P. in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    I've had this gem since Friday. I haven't had much time recently – also for contributing to this fantastic forum – because I'm engrossed in caring for my two-year-old twins while trying to work in the journalistic profession, but I managed to watch it twice anyway. And I'm delighted, the memories from three months ago came back, when I was at two concerts, on Friday and Saturday.
     
    The impression is better than with the shredded version from the Digital Concert Hall. The concert lasts 115 minutes. Yes, the ovations are a little shortened here, but it was the same with the Vienna concert, there is no speech before the "Jurassic Park", there is no Williams' last thanks from Saturday before the "Flying Theme", and no fifteen-minute ovation at the end - but this is understandable. The concert itself looks and sounds fantastic and although Vienna will always have a special place in my heart, because I saw Maestro live there for the first time, but if I had to choose one concert to show someone who doesn't know or hear Williams, I would bet on Berlin.

    The sound from Blu-ray is stunning (although I don't have Dolby Atmos, just the usual 5.1), I haven't listened to the CD yet. The whole thing is beautifully presented - I am attaching a few photos. The 24-page booklet is in English and German. As you can see, the CD and Blu-ray audio versions are without applauses or speeches. It would probably be nice if some extra interview with the Maestro was included, or at least a short conversation with musicians from the Berlin Philharmonic, posted on the Digital Concert Hall. After all, the most important thing is the concert, and it looks wonderful here!
     
    We are really lucky to have this masterpiece forever, along with the one from Vienna. Until a few years ago, most of us didn't even dare to dream about something like that. An absolute treat!!







  2. Haha
    Pauling reacted to Luke Skywalker in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    The cellist on the left looks like a mix of harrison ford and benedict cumberbach
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    Pauling reacted to aj_vader in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    They've added times next to the concert listings and also they've added Leia's Theme (sorry if that's already been mentioned). Maybe Wlliams/Digital Concert Hall is choosing the 'best' recording of each piece from the three concerts? 
     
    https://www.digitalconcerthall.com/en/concert/53783
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    Pauling got a reaction from MfL85 in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    I recorded the piece on Thursday, so you can compare.
     
     
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    Pauling got a reaction from Hugo in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    I recorded the piece on Thursday, so you can compare.
     
     
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    Pauling reacted to oweron in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1tq4y1G7Wo?p=2&spm_id_from=pageDriver 
     
    Here you can watch the concert on video
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    Pauling reacted to Hugo in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    you can say that!! a beautiful photo, plus me and another member of the community are right there framed next to the Maestro. I'll frame it at home!
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    Pauling got a reaction from crumbs in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    Hey! You got it in better resolution! Now I can make the cover bigger. Thanks!
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    Pauling got a reaction from crumbs in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    I recorded the piece on Thursday, so you can compare.
     
     
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    Pauling got a reaction from crumbs in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    Para todo aquel que esté impaciente (como yo ), he diseñado esta funda por si queréis usarla. También tengo las pistas cortadas. Si alguien los quiere, pídamelos.
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    Pauling reacted to GerateWohl in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    I think, at least on Friday there were some flubs in Nimbus 2000. But actually, I just enjoyed the show and did not take notes. So, no details. Sorry.
     
    But in the end that is for me the difference between live performance and recording. There are some few flubs? I don't care.
     
    If there are flubs on a recording, I do care. With the time after frequent listening the flub becomes for me part of the arrangement and I get irritated when I hear another recording without the flub. That's not good.
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    Pauling got a reaction from apples in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    I recorded the piece on Thursday, so you can compare.
     
     
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    Pauling got a reaction from BB-8 in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    Para todo aquel que esté impaciente (como yo ), he diseñado esta funda por si queréis usarla. También tengo las pistas cortadas. Si alguien los quiere, pídamelos.
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    Pauling reacted to Locrius in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    Aw man. I've rewatched the Friday video several times and figured out what happened. Since there's a big slow-down in the bar before the credits, Williams subdivides the last beat of the measure (beat 4) as two eighth-notes. For reference, a normal conducting pattern in a 4-beat measure is down (1), in (2), out (3), up (4).
     
    However, since Williams wants to split beat 4 into two eighth notes, he actually beats beat 4 down (and kind of low), and then for the upbeat of beat 4 (so, the eighth-note before the credits, aka the second half of beat 4), he beats up. Everyone else seems to catch what Williams is doing. But if the trumpet player for some reason isn't able to see Williams kind of gently beating beat 4 down low, then when he sees Williams beat upwards he thinks "Oh, that's beat 4" and plays his pickup note after that.
     
    ...When actually, Williams' upstroke is the "and" of beat 4, the second half of the beat. That's why the trumpet player's note is so short; he thinks Williams' upstroke is the entire beat 4 (rather than the latter half of beat 4 which it actually is), so he plays his eighth-note pickup to the credits twice as short as it should be. He can plainly tell where Williams is about to put his downbeat for the start of the credits, but since he mistakenly thinks beat 4 is so short (when actually, it's so long that Williams subdivides it!), he plays his pickup note short. Since he doesn't notice Williams' downward beat 4, he probably thinks beat 3 is actually the one being super-stretched (almost like a mini fermata). It's just a fundamental misunderstanding.
     
    In other words, the guy doesn't seem to be catching Williams' actual beat 4. And since beat 4 is usually conducted as an upstroke - not down - the trumpet player thinks he's seeing beat 4 being conducted, when actually he's seeing the second half of beat 4 being conducted. Sorry if this is confusing; I hope someone else on the forum who is musically-literate understands the point I'm trying to make.
     
    Go see for yourself in the video; can anyone else confirm they're seeing what I'm seeing? It's a bummer. The thing is, as a musician (and a brass player), I can see why the trumpet player would think the way he did. The issue could have been avoided if Williams conducted beat 4 as a partial upstroke (which would have made everyone plainly aware of where beat 4 was), and then re-beat up in the air to signal the second half of the beat. So basically, conduct beat 4 in the normal direction (upwards), but do two gestures upwards to subdivide the beat, so everybody knows what is what.
     
    TLDR: Normally beat 4 is conducted as an upstroke, but Williams conducted beat 4 as a downstroke so he could do the second half of beat 4 as an upstroke. The trumpet player mistakenly thought the upstroke Williams did for the second half of beat 4, was actually the beginning of beat 4. That's why the trumpet player's last note before the credits is so late and short.
     
    EDIT: Yep, he played it correctly on Thursday night; listen to how his note is longer and lines up with the rest of the orchestra. So, I'm 99% sure that's what happened. The other times, the guy got confused by what Williams was doing for beat 4 of that measure, and you can hear he sounds a little uncertain as to the placement of his note. Too bad; hopefully Thursday gets used for that spot in the commercial recording, but I won't hold my breath.
     
    @Sibelius6, thoughts?
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    Pauling got a reaction from Locrius in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    I recorded the piece on Thursday, so you can compare.
     
     
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    Pauling reacted to crumbs in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    What stunning playing that was -- and to think he's so young! Made me an instant fan.
     
    At the end of the piece, I noticed Williams stood down and gestured Bruno to stand on the podium, but he refused (presumably out of modesty, or not wanting to place himself above the Maestro).
     
    The future is in safe hands.
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    Pauling reacted to Marian Schedenig in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    Happened right before my nose. The security guy at that door had clearly been tired for at least the last few pieces of the evening. I don't know remember if he'd stepped outside for a moment when it happened or just didn't pay attention/react quickly enough, but it seemed like his colleague gave him a reprimand afterwards. He was still there on Saturday though.
     
     
    The cameras were moving on Thursday, but they were clearly replaced by others on Saturday (white "surveillance" cameras on Thursday, black film/video cameras on Saturday). Perhaps they were just rehearsing camera angles on Thursday? If so, I hope at least the sound was fully recorded.
     
  18. Haha
    Pauling reacted to Damien F in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    Leia's Theme as the first encore on Thursday was the first piece he played after that autograph hunter ran after him as he was leaving the stage and was removed by security. The very first thing Williams said when he returned to the podium was "Here's the problem..."
     
    For a second, I thought he was going to talk about the problem with autograph hunters, but he actually started talking about the problem of writing a "love theme" for Luke and Leia in A New Hope who subsequently turned out to be siblings. 
     
     
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    Pauling got a reaction from BuzzLightyear in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    Final part of Throne Room. I'm still in shock...
    IMG_0812.mp4
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    Pauling got a reaction from crumbs in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    Final part of Throne Room. I'm still in shock...
    IMG_0812.mp4
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    Pauling got a reaction from Henry Sítrónu in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    Final part of Throne Room. I'm still in shock...
    IMG_0812.mp4
  22. Thanks
    Pauling reacted to BB-8 in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    I dedicated my extended applause to jwfan.com and this wonderful fan community!
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    Pauling got a reaction from BB-8 in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    I was at the concert on Thursday. It was awesome and I was impressed by the perfect sound of the Philharmonic. I just noticed a desynchronization in the drums at the end of Flying Theme. Fortunately, I recorded a video and saw that Williams makes a disapproving gesture (sec. 10). Except for that detail, the piece sounded awesome.
     
    After the concert, I waited outside with some more geeks. When Williams left I thanked him and asked him to come to Spain... I think he responded with a head gesture. I can boast that I have had a conversation with the Master. 🤣🤣🤣
    RPReplay_Final1634340034.MOV IMG_5148.MOV
  24. Surprised
    Pauling got a reaction from apples in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    I was at the concert on Thursday. It was awesome and I was impressed by the perfect sound of the Philharmonic. I just noticed a desynchronization in the drums at the end of Flying Theme. Fortunately, I recorded a video and saw that Williams makes a disapproving gesture (sec. 10). Except for that detail, the piece sounded awesome.
     
    After the concert, I waited outside with some more geeks. When Williams left I thanked him and asked him to come to Spain... I think he responded with a head gesture. I can boast that I have had a conversation with the Master. 🤣🤣🤣
    RPReplay_Final1634340034.MOV IMG_5148.MOV
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    Pauling got a reaction from Taikomochi in John Williams & Berliner Philharmoniker 14th/15th/16th Oct 2021   
    I agree with your great post. Just one thing: I noticed a desynchronization in the drums at the end of Flying Theme. Fortunately, I recorded a video and saw that Williams makes a disapproving gesture (sec. 10). Except for that detail, the piece sounded awesome.
    IMG_5219.MOV After the concert, I waited outside with some more geeks. When Williams left I thanked him and asked him to come to Spain... I think he responded with a head gesture. I can boast that I have had a conversation with the Master. 🤣🤣🤣
    IMG_5148.MOV
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