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So awesome to hear Williams around 18:30 to praising Thomas Newman for his combination of orchestra with electronics and other elements when discussing the future of the orchestra in film music.
 
And my goodness, is Johnny still so sharp. And hearing all those musical excerpts throughout the interview got me hyped to listen to the score again. It's just such great music.

So awesome to hear Williams around 18:30 to praising Thomas Newman for his combination of orchestra with electronics and other elements when discussing the future of the orchestra in film music.
 
And my goodness, is Johnny still so sharp. And hearing all those musical excerpts throughout the interview got me hyped to listen to the score again. It's just such great music.

So awesome to hear Williams around 18:30 to praising Thomas Newman for his combination of orchestra with electronics and other elements when discussing the future of the orchestra in film music.
 
And my goodness, is Johnny still so sharp. And hearing all those musical excerpts throughout the interview got me hyped to listen to the score again. It's just such great music.

I listened to Memoirs of a Geisha for the first time 3 days ago and it's been running through my head non-stop. What a fantastic main theme. My favourite track is the End Credits - I love the accompanying minimalistic textures and how Johnny plays around with the rhythm of the melody and the underlying harmony.

James Horner - The Spitfire Grill
 

 
Pretty and delicate, though a little... how do I say... unsubstantial? Paradoxically, I like how this score avoids overt melodrama and instead is just content in being small and intimate. It reminded me a bit of Bernstein's To Kill a Mockingbird. A nice companion for other Horner "drama-but-not-that-melodramatic" scores like Dad.

My friend, you are simply recounting the sequence of events that took place in the film, without providing any answers to the questions we've asked concerning Darth Vader's ultimate plan. I'm starting to think that you yourself might not be so sure of what actually transpired... At least, you continually (intentionally or unintentionally) fail to express it clearly (i.e. in terms that the average person on the street would understand). 
 
Regardless, I'd like to see your response to my take (based solely on memory, as I haven't watched the film for a few years). My understanding is that Jedi have been shown to experience premonitions of future events through the Force. By this point in the film, Vader knew Luke was his son, that he was strong in the Force (from the end of Episode IV), and even told the Emperor he could be turned into a useful ally (implying that he was strong enough in the Force to be effective on the dark side). Armed with this information, and provided the location of the Millennium Falcon by Boba Fett, Vader and his forces took control of Cloud City and tortured Han and Leia (asking no questions), confident enough that Luke would sense their peril through the Force (regardless of his training with Yoda) in order to draw Luke to their location and Vader would capture him (trapping him in carbonite, which had been successfully tested on Han).

"Desert Song"?! So The Dune Sea of Tatooine was originally a song? I'm assuming George Lucas' plan was for the argument between C-3PO and R2-D2 to be a musical number.

My friend, you are simply recounting the sequence of events that took place in the film, without providing any answers to the questions we've asked concerning Darth Vader's ultimate plan. I'm starting to think that you yourself might not be so sure of what actually transpired... At least, you continually (intentionally or unintentionally) fail to express it clearly (i.e. in terms that the average person on the street would understand). 
 
Regardless, I'd like to see your response to my take (based solely on memory, as I haven't watched the film for a few years). My understanding is that Jedi have been shown to experience premonitions of future events through the Force. By this point in the film, Vader knew Luke was his son, that he was strong in the Force (from the end of Episode IV), and even told the Emperor he could be turned into a useful ally (implying that he was strong enough in the Force to be effective on the dark side). Armed with this information, and provided the location of the Millennium Falcon by Boba Fett, Vader and his forces took control of Cloud City and tortured Han and Leia (asking no questions), confident enough that Luke would sense their peril through the Force (regardless of his training with Yoda) in order to draw Luke to their location and Vader would capture him (trapping him in carbonite, which had been successfully tested on Han).

My friend, you are simply recounting the sequence of events that took place in the film, without providing any answers to the questions we've asked concerning Darth Vader's ultimate plan. I'm starting to think that you yourself might not be so sure of what actually transpired... At least, you continually (intentionally or unintentionally) fail to express it clearly (i.e. in terms that the average person on the street would understand). 
 
Regardless, I'd like to see your response to my take (based solely on memory, as I haven't watched the film for a few years). My understanding is that Jedi have been shown to experience premonitions of future events through the Force. By this point in the film, Vader knew Luke was his son, that he was strong in the Force (from the end of Episode IV), and even told the Emperor he could be turned into a useful ally (implying that he was strong enough in the Force to be effective on the dark side). Armed with this information, and provided the location of the Millennium Falcon by Boba Fett, Vader and his forces took control of Cloud City and tortured Han and Leia (asking no questions), confident enough that Luke would sense their peril through the Force (regardless of his training with Yoda) in order to draw Luke to their location and Vader would capture him (trapping him in carbonite, which had been successfully tested on Han).

My friend, you are simply recounting the sequence of events that took place in the film, without providing any answers to the questions we've asked concerning Darth Vader's ultimate plan. I'm starting to think that you yourself might not be so sure of what actually transpired... At least, you continually (intentionally or unintentionally) fail to express it clearly (i.e. in terms that the average person on the street would understand). 
 
Regardless, I'd like to see your response to my take (based solely on memory, as I haven't watched the film for a few years). My understanding is that Jedi have been shown to experience premonitions of future events through the Force. By this point in the film, Vader knew Luke was his son, that he was strong in the Force (from the end of Episode IV), and even told the Emperor he could be turned into a useful ally (implying that he was strong enough in the Force to be effective on the dark side). Armed with this information, and provided the location of the Millennium Falcon by Boba Fett, Vader and his forces took control of Cloud City and tortured Han and Leia (asking no questions), confident enough that Luke would sense their peril through the Force (regardless of his training with Yoda) in order to draw Luke to their location and Vader would capture him (trapping him in carbonite, which had been successfully tested on Han).

In his sequel era, he sells all of his conspiracy theories to me for billions of dollars, and thenI just kinda make up whatever stupid shit I feel like.

My mom said I'm not allowed to play with you guys any more 😞

"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to." - Kylo Ren, from Star Wars: The Last Jedi

Mattris, these kinds of unclear and reactionary responses are becoming old fast. Please at least provide us with your interpretation of events without tossing the ball back in our court.
 
You’ve made your position clear, that most of us don’t understand the films properly and haven’t dedicated sufficient time to the same degree of intensive study and research as you. Now, as a Star Wars fan (at least in my childhood and teenage years), I’m genuinely fascinated to hear what you personally understand about the plot that the rest of us haven’t yet been able to grasp (and particularly on this whole issue of Darth Vader’s plan in TESB). I beg of you, no more obfuscation.

At least try to help us see…

“I feel the good in you, the conflict.”
 

Mattris, these kinds of unclear and reactionary responses are becoming old fast. Please at least provide us with your interpretation of events without tossing the ball back in our court.
 
You’ve made your position clear, that most of us don’t understand the films properly and haven’t dedicated sufficient time to the same degree of intensive study and research as you. Now, as a Star Wars fan (at least in my childhood and teenage years), I’m genuinely fascinated to hear what you personally understand about the plot that the rest of us haven’t yet been able to grasp (and particularly on this whole issue of Darth Vader’s plan in TESB). I beg of you, no more obfuscation.

At least try to help us see…

“I feel the good in you, the conflict.”
 

You claim the discussion is boring, but what examples have you cited to substantiate this claim?
 
I submit that your inability to derive enjoyment from this discussion stems from a fundamental misreading of Star Wars and an inability to grasp its contextual subtleties.
 
But what do you think this discussion means?
 

Sigh...
 
Remember when this thread was about disenchantment with Star Wars?
 
Good times...

@Mattris Please, please, please help us to understand Darth Vader's plan!
 
"Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope." - Princess Leia Organa, from Star Wars
 
"Tell us. Tell us now!" - Anakin Skywalker, from Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones
 
"Somebody has to save our skins." - Princess Leia Organa, from Star Wars
 
"The greatest teacher, failure is. We are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters." - Yoda, from Star Wars: The Last Jedi

I am literally on the edge of my seat waiting to hear Mattris' answers to these questions. I pray he has compassion on us and deigns to shower us with his wisdom, providing clear and comprehensive responses so that we might begin to understand.

Can we just skip to the part where you tell us what you think is happening in these scenes?
 
What do you think Vader's trap in Empire was?
 
Why do you think Vader pursued the Falcon instead of going after Luke?

"Desert Song"?! So The Dune Sea of Tatooine was originally a song? I'm assuming George Lucas' plan was for the argument between C-3PO and R2-D2 to be a musical number.

Giving in to the urge to visit this thread must be similar to how meth addicts feel.