Beowulf 4 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Ok...so my Goldsmith collection is very sparse...I mean I only have 2 of his soundtracks for Pete's sake ---> The Mummy and Star Trek: The Motion Picture.What are some of your suggestions on others that I should buy? Right now, I am earnestly thinking of First Knight, but what else? And also, what are your favorites? Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Get all of The Omen scores (The Omen, Damien: Omen II and The Final Conflict). Total Recall is also a great score. He's written so many great scores it's really tough to go wrong.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UCFKevin 0 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Rudy. Rudy Rudy Rudy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Patton!Patton!PATTON PATTON!And star trek first contact, rest have been said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 The Essential Goldsmith(again):The Blue MaxThe SwarmLogan's RunStar Trek,The Motion PictureAlienThe Secret of NihmTwilight Zone,the Movie.The Final ConflictPoltergeistGremlinsExplorersLegendK.M.Who doesn't consider "The Mummy" top notch Goldsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoda Longbottom 0 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 If you like First Knight, then you could find both the bombastic The 13th Warrior and particularly The Ghost and the Darkness quite interesting as well (both are my favorite scores of Jerry). Main and Closing Credits in Basic Instinct are great no less (the rest of the score falls a bit below the high level of them though); The Omen is perfection at its best (Oscar winner, coincidentally). Alien is cool but outside of the DVD I don't know of any other chance to hear&get the score (aside from bootlegs of course). Legend is superb as is, overtly, Star Trek The Motion Picture. Also give a listen or two to Russia House. It's not a typical Goldsmith, and it's great all the more.I'd only suggest undergoing series of listens before obtaining Hollow Man and Congo. I have both of them but I don't like them as much as all those mentioned above. But my Jerry Goldsmith collection is very sparse and I've not heard much from him by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Ohh yes, and Alien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Potter 0 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Total Recall is also a great score.Well, I am going to add that one to my list!~Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Has the coolist rhythmic material you'll hear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Planet of the Apes (1968) -- before you mention anything else!! Here is Goldsmith at his most original. Who can forget the horn sans mouthpiece which accompanies the appearance of the apes? The primitive echo effects for the barren, 40th-Century world? The crazy percussion section, which included aluminum salad bowls? A most underrated score... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Total Recall is also a great score. NeilI can't stand it personally.Way too noisy in an irritating way.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Planet of the Apes (1968) -- before you mention anything else!! Here is Goldsmith at his most original. Who can forget the horn sans mouthpiece which accompanies the appearance of the apes? The primitive echo effects for the barren, 40th-Century world? The crazy percussion section, which included aluminum salad bowls? A most underrated score...As KM said about Total Recall I say about Planet of the Apes.to me its just not listenable.As far as any of Goldsmith new stuff, just grab anything, everything he does now sounds just the same.Star Trek Nemisis hits in Nov. or December, but you can get any of his Star Trek scores as a substitute, as Nemisis will be highly unoriginal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 :cry2: Joe, JOE! A man with Jaws 2 as his avatar says Planet of the Apes is not listenable! A man who loves CE3K! I am troubled by this, I guess I had you pegged somewhat as being into "brutalism" (for want of a better term). Goldsmith beats JW hands down on this kind of score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Hey, hey leave the Jaws 2 poster alone, its one of the great poster in the last 30 years and the film has one of the best tag lines, both are better than the film itself, and as my avatar its different than anyone elses.Sorry I have never cared for the POTA soundtrack. It just doesn't do anything for me. I would prefer to listen to Twilight Zone the Movie, or Star Trek the Motion Picture, Poltergeist, Omen, Patton, anything else. Did I mention Boys From Brazil.POTA is too different for me. I JUST DON'T GET ITreally I just don't like it. I have it, because it is POTA after all, and JG. but I don't think its his best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 As far as any of Goldsmith new stuff, just grab anything, everything he does now sounds just the same..Hey, just like Williams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Ohh yeah, AI, Harry Potter and AOTC all sound the same :roll: Hmm, how can you like CE3K and not POTA? Both are atonal! Hmm, perhaps it's the serialism of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 You think Minority Report, AOTC, TPM, AI and Harry Potter sound the same??????? Even TPM and AOTC, two Star Wars scores don't sound the same..... But if you must, bash away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 He's beyond cynical. Cynical isn't supposed to be that absurd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Joe, I wasn't bashing Jaws 2, I was referring to the fact that JW's Jaws scores employ a fair bit of the brutal, modern sound.Fair enough, to each their own, no accounting for taste (and I don't mean it as an insult)!Hey, how about JG's scores to Twizone the TV show? Better yet, SCTV's use of the "Nervous Man in Four Dollar Room" theme for the "3-D House of Pancakes"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf 4 Posted September 17, 2002 Author Share Posted September 17, 2002 Thanks for all the suggestions guys...at least now I have a starting point.BTW....is The Omen that film about that little evil boy that kills people? (like his mom and a housemaid). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,253 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Must-haves:Planet of the ApesThe Blue Max (though a recording of the suite from last years's London concert would be sufficient - it's definitive)The Great Train Robbery (hopefully soon to be released as a Varese DE)The Omen trilogy (DEs)Alien (DVD has iso score)Star Trek TMP (classic)Night CrossingUnder FireThe Secret of NIMHPoltergeistRambo - First Blood Part IIRambo III (pity that the orchestra is so horribly bad)LionheartLegendTotal RecallGremlins IIFirst KnightThe MummyAnd of course, there are many more great ones. ST:Ins is underrated (because the official album is poor), and Hollow Man is easily a masterpiece. Beggar's Banquet (The Rolling Stones) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted September 17, 2002 Share Posted September 17, 2002 Thanks for all the suggestions guys...at least now I have a starting point.BTW....is The Omen that film about that little evil boy that kills people? (like his mom and a housemaid).Sort of, he is Damien the son of Satan.Its a truely evil flick. another one of those great Dick Donner films.DAMIEN, I do this for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 You think Minority Report, AOTC, TPM, AI and Harry Potter sound the same??????? Even TPM and AOTC, two Star Wars scores don't sound the same..... But if you must, bash away Fine, bash away at Goldsmith, too, then. I'm hardly one of his biggest fans, but one thing I can say is that The 13th Warrior, The Haunting, Hollow Man, Along Came a Spider, The Last Castle, and The Sum of All Fears hardly "sound the same" (in the manner you guys are using the phrase), either. Stylistically, his action writing has become more predictable and homogeneous of late, but, then, so has Williams's. Actually, I think Goldsmith has been doing a better job of maintaining a stronger sense of filmic identity in his scores that Williams has recently (if you remember my post from a few weeks ago). Additionally, he, unlike Williams, seems to realize that busy-ness orchestrational complexity (particularly in action cues) doesn't necessarily contribute appreciably to a scene.P.S. Note that I excluded The Mummy from the list above. I think it's ridiculous that Goldsmith fans hail The 13th Warrior when it's largely interchangeable with his earlier 1999 score. However prolific Goldsmith has been, it doesn't excuse using a previous score as a direct template. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesyboy 3 Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 here are 2 MUST, MUST, MUST have's:1-The Omen: The Final Conflict (Deluxe Editon)2-PoltergeistThese are 2 of his BEST scores. There are many other others, but it doesn't much better than this (IMO )Jamesyboy - who needs to get more Goldsmith stuff from Stefancos!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahler3 478 Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 My Top 20 essential Goldmith's are (in no particular order):1- Legend2- The Final Conflict3- The Mummy4- Rudy5- Basic Instinct6- Medicine Man (really only for one track; The Trees)7- Lionheart8- Supergirl9- Best Shot (Hoosiers)10- The First Great Train Robbery11- Air Force One (prefer Randy Newman's cynical rejected score though)12- The Blue Max 13- Capricorn One14- Gremlins15- Masada16- Poltergeist17- First Knight18- Hour Of The Gun19- Patton20- The Secret Of NimhI know I'll get lynched for this, but to be honest I didn't ever care much for Star Trek or Alien (I actually prefer the Voyager theme). Planet Of The Apes is undeniably a crowning achievement in Film music, but I find it very hard to listen to. I bought a copy years ago, and returned it dissapointed. Maybe I should give it another chance? :? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 here are 2 MUST, MUST, MUST have's:1-The Omen: The Final Conflict (Deluxe Editon)2-PoltergeistThese are 2 of his BEST scores.:Actually to me these ARE his 2 best scores. K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 Additionally, he, unlike Williams, seems to realize that busy-ness orchestrational complexity (particularly in action cues) doesn't necessarily contribute appreciably to a scene.Doesn't hurt it, Goldsmiths too simple recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittBash 283 Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 Well it sounds as if I've commited a travesty! I was in the local CD store recentlly going to get a Goldsmith Album and well I chose Sum of all fears. I walked right by all three of the OMEN DE scores Should I be kicking myself and never to be alowed to have children as it would pass on the stupid gene!? Brian99_1 - celebrating getting the Monsters inc DVD with a relisten of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 I only have "The Omen" and "Basic Instinct." I would like to get "Poltergeist" and "Mulan," as those are fantastic scores. I listen to "The Omen" almost weekly.... I like parts of "Planet of the Apes," especially the music when the apes come out of the cornfield, and the music when Charlton Heston is captured ("Get your hands off me, you damn dirty ape!")As far as "Total Recall," it sounds like a tryout for music he would later use to better effect in "Basic Instinct." Take a listen to "Roxy Loses" and you'll see where I get this theory."Aliens" and the "Star Wars" trilogy aside, I generally have a problem accepting sequel scores. They generally sound like more of the same, adding something they think is new but is really just the same thing done with different instrumentation. So I can only express a mild likeing for the "Omen" sequels and "Poltergeist 2."Jeff -- a bigger fan of Goldsmith than Horner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,253 Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 Hmm....Poltergeist 2 isn't anything like it's prequel (though probably not in the best way - at least I haven't listened to it in years). Damien is of course reminiscent of Omen, but it takes the themes into a totally different direction. And Final Conflict (IMHO one of the finest scores ever) is nothing at all like the first two scores from the series. Marian - who thinks that Brian will kick himself when he finally gets the Omen scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 I would say:-Patton-The Omen-Under Fire-Lionheart-The Wind and the Lion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanticStrings 10 Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 I recommend ST: Insurrection. I like that one.My all time favorite Goldsmith score, however, is The Shadow. It is nearly impossible to find because it is no longer in print, but it is one of the best. You can find it on Ebay, I bet.~Conor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittBash 283 Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 If you are going to go for St: Insurrection then well I would go for the expanded one that's out there! I haven't listened to the Comercial album once since getting it. Brian99_1 - always gets the commercial albums before he goes to get expanded bootlegs (Still kicking myself for not getting the Omen triglogy DEs too!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,253 Posted September 18, 2002 Share Posted September 18, 2002 Yes, the official Insurrection has mostly repetitive action music, makes it sound like it's a totally monotonous and uninventive score. But it's much more varied on the boot, which also makes the action track extremely enjoyable.Marian - who thinks this might actually be better than First Contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Gibson 0 Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Mulan, or anything that sounds Klingon!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 19, 2002 Share Posted September 19, 2002 Theres a little-known Goldsmith score that I think is fantastic - it was for the 70s film THE CASSANDRA CROSSING and has a more european flavour than the other Goldsmith stuff I've heard - it's incredibly pacy and rhythmic in places, it's brilliant! Just my 2penny's worth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 Secret of Nimh??? Hmmmmm still have not heard that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 :cry2: Joe, JOE! A man with Jaws 2 as his avatar says Planet of the Apes is not listenable!.I agree with Joe on this one too...and the frantic parts of Alien aren't too enjoyable a listen either.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 Secret of Nimh??? Hmmmmm still have not heard that one.it's almost unanimously in his top 10.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted September 20, 2002 Share Posted September 20, 2002 Hmmmm really?? Might have to pick that one up then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 22, 2002 Share Posted September 22, 2002 It's out of print and hard to find.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted September 22, 2002 Share Posted September 22, 2002 So I've heard. Any ideas where it might be located?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesyboy 3 Posted September 22, 2002 Share Posted September 22, 2002 Check Half.com. I bought a copy from that site for $6.00 + shipping.Jamesyboy - who also thinks that is a very, very good score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted September 23, 2002 Share Posted September 23, 2002 Hmmmmm ....Thanks for the tip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 23, 2002 Share Posted September 23, 2002 It's available here, but is rather expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 23, 2002 Share Posted September 23, 2002 But it's cheaper here. Varese still has copies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Leader 2 Posted September 24, 2002 Share Posted September 24, 2002 Hmmmm this is now mine!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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