Goldsmithfan 6 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Yesterday I cleaned off my LP of Temple of Doom and gave it a listen. I don't know if it was because of my two (or possibly three) week hiatus from listening to music (don't ask me why) or if I was just listening extra hard but it really, really hit the spot. Temple of Doom is definitely my favorite score of the bunch, but the OST is, as many others have said, far too brief. The second half really flies by. Temple of Doom through to The Mine Car Chase are a dizzying blur of musical excitement. Bug Tunnel and Death Trap is Williams at his peak with a leitmotiv that kills me every time and the Slave Children music comes very close to putting the Raiders March to shame, in my opinion of course (the string statement during Short Round's Theme is one of the best).In any case, I'll get to my point. When I first listened to the OST a few months ago I'd only heard the DVD rip. I was used to having the bridge music and all that fun stuff so I felt that the finale of the legit release was really, really weak. Not bad... It's just that I'd been spoiled. But yesterday I really got into The Mine Car Chase. I noticed little things that I hadn't before, or that I hadn't remembered noticing. I never consciously realized that the eight note motive from Slalom on Mt. Humol was revisited here (maybe it's just chaos music, in which case it serves the mine cars well). And those damn 14 note brass phrases with the woodwind glisses backing them are absolutely sublime.I usually listen to Halloween type scores around Halloween, but in light of this lovely rediscovery I'm probably going to listen to The Last Crusade today. This has been an Indy year for me and just when I thought I was free of its grasp Johnny sucked me right back in again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I would have paid real money to see the faces of piccolo/flute players when they got the score with their parts This is a helluva fun, exihilarating piece, definitely one of Williams' best when it comes to action scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 It's not bad, but it cannot compare with John's off-the-charts brilliant "Jango's Escape," surely the capstone of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 For some reason, the music during The Mine Car sequence has never stood out to me. Not that I doubt it's excellence in the slightest, since peeps here have always raved about it. I'll give it a proper listen when we get the new release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I prefer tank chase...But this is great too. Maybe with underground heroics before it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I prefer Desert Chase, but it's clearly one of the most original of John's action cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellOfSouls 1 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I've always loved this cue, especially the heroic brass motif strewn throughout and the statement of Short Round's theme as they bridge the gap in the rails (that was unfortunately cut in the film). Also because it's the only track on the OST that features Mola Ram's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I prefer tank chase... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Totally awesome, wildly exuberant track.Ray Barnsbury - apparently talking like a Ninja Turtle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 It's Williams at a time when he was immature and uncomplex. Fortunately, both problems have been rectified as of 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 It's Williams at a time when he was immature and uncomplex. Fortunately, both problems have been rectified as of 2008.Sarcasm Alert! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 It's Williams at a time when he was immature and uncomplex. Fortunately, both problems have been rectified as of 2008.Yeah. You can tell 'cause there aren't complicated piccolo/xylophone hits throughout. What a newbie he was! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I hate it when immature talent matures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 The Mine Car Chase is a piece of pure fun. I love how the music conveys the break neck speed and the panic and the generally zany nature of the whole setpiece without forgetting the themes. A classic Williams action sequence which boggles the mind when you start thinking of those poor musicians who had to perform such brilliant music but had so little time to rehearse it I wonder if JW fell off the page with this like with General Grievous material in ROTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Did he do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 The track is a lot of fun just like the rest of the score. It isn't my favorite action piece of the three though, not by a long shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Of course it isn't. That would be Desert Chase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,695 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Overrated. My favourite is On the Tank, without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Totally awesome, wildly exuberant track.Ray Barnsbury - apparently talking like a Ninja Turtle.Radical dude!It's good fun (love the brass motif in it), but it'd have a hard time making my top 5 Indy action cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 too bad its not on the new cd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 I find other cues from other films more exciting than The Mine Car Chase... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I find other cues from other films more exciting than The Mine Car Chase...yes but you're still a newbie when it comes to these scores, it wasn't that long ago that you absolutely wouldn't listen to them.I find the current TOD score to be a masterpiece and a joy to listen, and its the one I am most glad its going to be virtually complete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Of course it isn't. That would be Desert Chase.Actually it would something from TLC, either "Scherzo for Motorcycle" or "On the Tank". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 While listening to "Desert Chase" the other day, it struck me how different it is compared with the action music of Temple. It's a lot more restrained and deliberate, as opposed to Temple's more frenetic, "balls-out" approach. Both are terrific, of course. (I haven't been listening to these scores for years and years like most, so forgive the belated revelations). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I find other cues from other films more exciting than The Mine Car Chase...yes but you're still a newbie when it comes to these scores, it wasn't that long ago that you absolutely wouldn't listen to them.Good point. Are you happy though I'm going to give them a chance with the box set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Do not worry, Vosk, you are not alone. I never even listened to the scores outside of the films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Overrated. My favourite is On the Tank, without question.The only thing I find overrated about it is the recording of the brass. I really can't stand that era of harshness from the LSO brass. On the Tank is probably my second favourite though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I like the furious piccolo part in "Belly of the Steel Beast." That'd be fun to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 The LSO brass playing in those years is simply amazing to my ears. Yes, it's harsh, but its own little imperfections make the performance really alive. The nuances they bring to the recording are impressive. There's a section in "Desert Chase", when the trombones kick in the Raiders B Theme, where the intonation is so great and thrilling that I always smile like a kid when I'm listening to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Ah, don't get me wrong; most of the brass sounds fantastic, but little parts of it sound downright crude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 I like the furious piccolo part in "Belly of the Steel Beast." That'd be fun to play.You mean "Mine Car Chase?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 desert chase is great, but sometimes it feels to me to much loud and strident.I suppose that's its charmAnd once watching the movie, it felt out of place, if if the music didnt match the images.but i suppose that was just me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Yes it's just you.I think Ray is correct, I kinda compare Raiders & TOD to Star Wars & TESB. Both Raiders and SW had restraint to them and for the next films Williams cut loose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 i think that too.That's why i think they are the true masterpieces of the series but not the most pleasant to listen for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpigeon 3 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 In my view, The Slave Children's Crusade is the best action cue in the entire series. I don't know that Johnny's been more badass than in the opening seconds.Ted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Overrated. My favourite is On the Tank, without question.The only thing I find overrated about it is the recording of the brass. I really can't stand that era of harshness from the LSO brass. On the Tank is probably my second favourite though.The LSO did not play on TOD, nor TLC, so I am not sure what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 I'd say Johnny's arms were pretty sore after that frantic conducting of "The Mine Car Chase" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 1, 2008 Share Posted November 1, 2008 Overrated. My favourite is On the Tank, without question.The only thing I find overrated about it is the recording of the brass. I really can't stand that era of harshness from the LSO brass. On the Tank is probably my second favourite though.The LSO did not play on TOD, nor TLC, so I am not sure what you are talking about.I think he was referring to "Desert Chase". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Mine Car Chase contains some really complex writing and is one of his best action Scherzo´s imo. On the original recording the sound quality is too dry and muted which diminishes the listening experience. I think the City of Prague Philharmominc re-recording, although not perfect, captures some of the shining crisp sound Williams must have had in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Mine Car Chase contains some really complex writing and is one of his best action Scherzo´s imo.Is it a scherzo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Mine Car Chase contains some really complex writing and is one of his best action Scherzo´s imo.Is it a scherzo?Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Overrated. My favourite is On the Tank, without question.The only thing I find overrated about it is the recording of the brass. I really can't stand that era of harshness from the LSO brass. On the Tank is probably my second favourite though.The LSO did not play on TOD, nor TLC, so I am not sure what you are talking about.I think he was referring to "Desert Chase".Thanks for pointing that out to the more literal of this boards thinkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean1700 4 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Mine Car Chase contains some really complex writing and is one of his best action Scherzo´s imo.Is it a scherzo?Yes Oooooookay, what the hell is a scherzo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scherzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Mine Car Chase contains some really complex writing and is one of his best action Scherzo´s imo.Is it a scherzo?Yes Oooooookay, what the hell is a scherzo?joke in italian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc402 0 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 yes i agree i think Mine car chase is a very nice not to mention original and frantic cue, it wasn't untill i first heard the OST on lp when i was 16 (wow has it been that long ) that i really noticed the track as it was kind of burried in the film. (back then it was just mono vhs, never heard of dvd or 5.1 at the time )although Desert Chase remains my favorite action cue as it is in my opinion a musical masterpiece and so on. But truth be told i lack total objectivity when it comes to Raiders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 Mine Car Chase contains some really complex writing and is one of his best action Scherzo´s imo.Is it a scherzo?Yes Oooooookay, what the hell is a scherzo?joke in italian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Mine Car Chase contains some really complex writing and is one of his best action Scherzo´s imo.Is it a scherzo?Yes Oooooookay, what the hell is a scherzo?joke in italian ma, è la veritá mio amico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Mine Car Chase contains some really complex writing and is one of his best action Scherzo´s imo.Is it a scherzo?Yes Oooooookay, what the hell is a scherzo?joke in italian ma, è la veritá mio amico.si, ma è anche molto divertente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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