John Crichton 4 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 That's always good. I remember ID4 had that very majestic shot at the start of July 3 of the saucer hovering over destroyed New York with the Statue of Libery in the foreground. Always loved that shot.We're probably going to go see it on Monday, I want to get it out of the way before Star Trek comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Yes that is what's good about those Emmerich special effects movies. We get a chance to actually see what is going on.BTW, Star Trek was released last summer, just so you'd know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Smart arse, you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 We're probably going to go see it on Monday, I want to get it out of the way before Star Trek comes out.There is no flaw in this sentence. Each movie "comes out" twice. First to the theater, second on official video/DVD/Blu-Ray.You can argue that the movie has been out on DVD ever since coming to theaters, but we shall not go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Oh? Star Trek has already been released on DVD/Blu-Ray here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Well therein lies the rub. It comes out in the USA this Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Mick LaSalle said this is the "first post-post-9/11 film." Interesting. I hope to see it tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 I had to read his review to understand just what he means by that comment. He's heaping a lot of praise onto a movie I thought was either three years too early or would end up being a waste of time. I might wait for the cheapo theater to see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 About those Independence Day sequels... Are you fucking kidding me Roland Emmerich? I read the article yesterday, and the man is truly an awful filmmaker. Just the way he talks, he thinks like a 12 year-old. There was that article about the TV-series sequel for 2012, and he said something like, "I talked to the producer and said, maybe we should do a TV-series sequel and call it 2013!"And now with this... "ID4-ever, Part I and II maybe?"ID4-everMost retarded title for a film ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 He's a more solid director then Michael Bay.And for the type of films he makes, thinking like a 12 year old is not such a bad idea.BTW, the ID4-ever title was trown around as long ago as 1997. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 He's a more solid director then Michael Bay.Perhaps in his actual direction, but most of his films have no redeeming factors. At least Bay's movies have good scores. I mean, have you seen 10,000 B.C.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Just the way he talks, he thinks like a 12 year-old. A blessing me thinks, if most paying customers in the Cinema are going to be of that age Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 About those Independence Day sequels... Are you fucking kidding me Roland Emmerich? I read the article yesterday, and the man is truly an awful filmmaker. Just the way he talks, he thinks like a 12 year-old. There was that article about the TV-series sequel for 2012, and he said something like, "I talked to the producer and said, maybe we should do a TV-series sequel and call it 2013!"And now with this... "ID4-ever, Part I and II maybe?"ID4-everMost retarded title for a film ever.Would you prefer ID4-play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 At least Bay's movies have good scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 At least Bay's movies have good scores. Good? Serviceable maybe, but not good.With Emmerich, you've got scores like Independence Day, Stargate, and The Patriot. Name one Bay movie score that holds a candle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Even if 2012 isn't the worst Emmerich movie, why see it? Seems like scraping the bottom of the barrel to me. I'd rather see, say, Where the Wild Things Are. How was that, anyway? I guess I shouldn't expect anyone to know, given that it isn't a sci-fi/action film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 I'm 28, have fond memories of the book, but don't have young children. I have no interest in seeing Where the Wild Things Are, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Even if 2012 isn't the worst Emmerich movie, why see it?Same reason people watch Star Wars, to watch things get blown up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 The difference is that Star Wars doesn't suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 That's just your opinion. It has many haters out there who feel that Star Wars does suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 The fact that I'm putting my opinion forth is implicit in every post I make. Thanks for telling me what I already know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 sometimes all people want is a bit of fun watching things blow up. as long as a dumb movie knows its dumb and concentrates on having fun, i don't really mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 The difference is that Star Wars doesn't suck.Sure it does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 I see nothing wrong with wanting to occasionally watch a film not for the performances, but for things blowing up. It's escapist entertainment, that's all.Star Wars is definitely more than that. I wouldn't watch that film for brainless fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 The fact that I'm putting my opinion forth is implicit in every post I make. Thanks for telling me what I already know.You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Wait. If Roland Emmerich does make an Independence Day sequel, does that mean we'll get another boring Harald Kloser score?EW! Please, I don't care whether he can get Will Smith back or not, either get David Arnold to score this movie or don't make it at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 If Kloser did it, he'd probably drop all of Arnold's themes, or do 3 small quotes in the whole score. And their styles are so different - Arnold's OOTP patriotism makes the movie work. Emmerich needs to make friends again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Arnold does not take it in the ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Is it true there will be aliens involved in '2012'?yes, they help us survive at the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 With Emmerich, you've got scores like Independence Day, Stargate, and The Patriot. Name one Bay movie score that holds a candle.The Rock, Transformers, Bad Boys, and Pearl Harbor are all better than the Kloser and Arnold crap. The Patriot is an exception, although I would take The Rock over it, and possibly Pearl Harbor.Even if 2012 isn't the worst Emmerich movie, why see it? Seems like scraping the bottom of the barrel to me. I'd rather see, say, Where the Wild Things Are. How was that, anyway? I guess I shouldn't expect anyone to know, given that it isn't a sci-fi/action film.Where The Wild Things Are was pretty good, but it could have been better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 John Williams has two knives on his back right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 The Rock, Transformers, Bad Boys, and Pearl Harbor are all better than Arnold crap. The Patriot is an exception, although I would take The Rock over it, and possibly Pearl Harbor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 With Emmerich, you've got scores like Independence Day, Stargate, and The Patriot. Name one Bay movie score that holds a candle.The Rock, Transformers, Bad Boys, and Pearl Harbor are all better than the Kloser and Arnold crap. The Patriot is an exception, although I would take The Rock over it, and possibly Pearl Harbor.I'm having flashback of the time that Qui-Gon tells Jar Jar Binks that the ability to speak does not indicate intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 The Rock, Transformers, Bad Boys, and Pearl Harbor are all better than Arnold crap. The Patriot is an exception, although I would take The Rock over it, and possibly Pearl Harbor. That's not funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 It's so bad it's funny. Like most of Emmerich's movies! Unlike Bay's, which are just bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 It's so bad it's funny. Like most of Emmerich's movies! Unlike Bay's, which are just bad.Emmerich's movies are too bad to be funny. They're just awful films. Bay has some appalling work, but The Rock and Bad Boys are exceptional action films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Exceptionally bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 With Emmerich, you've got scores like Independence Day, Stargate, and The Patriot. Name one Bay movie score that holds a candle.The Rock, Transformers, Bad Boys, and Pearl Harbor are all better than the Kloser and Arnold crap. The Patriot is an exception, although I would take The Rock over it, and possibly Pearl Harbor.Steve Jablonsky would have elevated Stargate and Independence Day to the next level like David Arnold never could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 One little opinionated comment and I'm bombarded with an endless amount of sarcasm and emoticons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 The Rock, Transformers, Bad Boys, and Pearl Harbor are all better than the Kloser and Arnold crap.Fuck me Koray, you don't do yourself any favours around here when you spout complete bollocks like above.Incidentally, I thought the score to 2012 was servicable and nothing more. Generic and predictable throughout, like the movie... which I really enjoyed. Found it to be very amusing in places too, in a good way. Unlike my girlfriend, who though it was absolutely hilarious.I do miss Arnold though, in some ways he was the best thing about ID4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 David Arnold WAS the best thing about ID4. Stargate, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 With Emmerich, you've got scores like Independence Day, Stargate, and The Patriot. Name one Bay movie score that holds a candle.The Rock, Transformers, Bad Boys, and Pearl Harbor are all better than the Kloser and Arnold crap. The Patriot is an exception, although I would take The Rock over it, and possibly Pearl Harbor.Holy cow Koray, are you serious? Transformers better than ID4?For sheer entertainment and adrenaline I'd take The Rock over some Williams scores, but Pearl Habour over The Patriot? Umm:"I'm gonna have to go ahead and.. disagree with you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Wow, dissension in the Hans Zimmer fanclub camp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Wow, dissension in the Hans Zimmer fanclub camp?I didn't think Rich was ever really part of that. I always saw it as a solo Koray deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,696 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Yeah Koray's the Zimmer fan.I'm just on the fence (i.e. Dark Knight = largely crap, Gladiator = mostly great). More chance of arguing with someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Wow, dissension in the Hans Zimmer fanclub camp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genius_Gone_Insane 5 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 2012 actually turned out to be a good, exciting movie. Really cheesey and phoney, but just a lot of fun!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneBuckFilms 324 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 2012 actually turned out to be a good, exciting movie. Really cheesey and phoney, but just a lot of fun!!I think we got exactly what I expected.A little story, a few ensemble moments, and lots of kick-ass VFX.A lot of fun, but not much beyond that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Compared to the superiour ID4, I didn't think 2012 was all that cheesy at all. ID4 has lots of lines which grate, but I didn't have that problem with 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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