gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I think they didn't do themselves a favor by presenting the Aston Martin the way they did. It's just too much like "aah, remember the Goldfinger days?"It's a dangerous thing to rely on Bond moments past instead of creating new ones.I mean, yeah, I get it, anniversary and all, but the way it's presented, with Arnold's Bond theme rearrangement, it comes off as slightly spoof-y, especially since the Bond theme never appears in this shape in the rest of the score.I should mention - Koray will love this - that after listening to Skyfall, I gave GoldenEye another try, and I have to say, I like it. At least better than Skyfall. The love theme is nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I think they didn't do themselves a favor by presenting the Aston Martin the way they did. It's just too much like "aah, remember the Goldfinger days?"It's a dangerous thing to rely on Bond moments past instead of creating new ones.I mean, yeah, I get it, anniversary and all, but the way it's presented, with Arnold's Bond theme rearrangement, it comes off as slightly spoof-y, especially since the Bond theme never appears in this shape in the rest of the score.I should mention - Koray will love this - that after listening to Skyfall, I gave GoldenEye another try, and I have to say, I like it. At least better than Skyfall. The love theme is nice.i loved the moment...at least it meant an aston martin was in the movie. And it also meant gadgets... the curious thing is that Bond must have retrofitted it after casino royale when he 'powned' it...Which made me think... maybe since there is not a new Aston martin model recently they didnt have a new car to show off in the film, like the others (V12, DB9) so maybe bond will have another one when AM makes a new car.They could have used the AM Cignet for some cool funny-comic chase scene though in some of the movies... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 So first Guyver complains that the film isn't "Bond" enough, but then bashes the one VERY "Bondian" element it has....i loved the moment...at least it meant an aston martin was in the movie. And it also meant gadgets... the curious thing is that Bond must have retrofitted it after casino royale when he 'powned' it...The fact that M knew that it had an ejector seat makes that doubtful.Its a very cool homage Luke, your not supposed to think too hard about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 You guys do realize this film isn't out in the U.S? I have to carefully skim posts to try and avoid spoilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Ebert gives the film a glowing review and calls it the best Bond film in ages.He does make the mistake of calling Craig's previous Bond performances unconvincing, while he actually praised Craig in his reviews for both Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Avoid this thread for a while then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 He does make the mistake of calling Craig's previous Bond performances unconvincing, while he actually praised Craig in his reviews for both Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace.LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 It's true, and very weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 M should have kissed bond before she died (either in a motherly or in a 'I wanted to do this for years!' way ). It would have been a little to ease the pain of bond.Why has Judi dench leave her role? is she sick or something, or retiring? She was a great M.A question, has the Casino Royale-Quantum of Solace plot been finished? I mean Mr. White got away... and there is no mention of that organisation in this movie.Maybe they are going to use it in further movies. It would make sense to stop investigating that if the field agents list was stolen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I believe Dench has a degenerative eye condition, which will make it hard for her to see. Which is one of the reasons she has retired from the role.She was indeed a fantastic M. It also helps that the writers actually gave the character something to do in the last few films.Quantum might return in upcoming films according to Michael G. Wilson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 You guys do realize this film isn't out in the U.S? I have to carefully skim posts to try and avoid spoilers.+1000000I know now everything that happens in this movie, and I did not want to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Q dies..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 And Bond gets raped two and a half times. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 And he looooooves it! M watches with glee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 um not in the US yet?man... why?It seems the british take their revenge for Lincoln. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 d'uh i forgot the crime organization was called quantum XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 And Bond gets raped two and a half times.Karolhe begs for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 He closed his eyes and thinks of England! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Sigh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I hope it's the new trend in the series. The womenizer gets manized!Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Spoiler alert warning would be welcome, lad!Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I mean, yeah, I get it, anniversary and all, but the way it's presented, with Arnold's Bond theme rearrangement, it comes off as slightly spoof-y, especially since the Bond theme never appears in this shape in the rest of the score.Up to that point, I'd been wondering why the theme never appears. When it did, I understood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 It appears several times before that Marian....Just not so much in the retro style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 So first Guyver complains that the film isn't "Bond" enough, but then bashes the one VERY "Bondian" element it has....A Bondian moment is something that evolves out of the movie and belongs to that movie, like Bond parachuting onto a luxury yacht and grabbing the lady's phone at the beginning of The Living Daylights.Bond using the Goldfinger Aston Martin and joking with the ejector seat isn't a true Bondian moment because it clearly references Goldfinger. It's more of an inside joke than a Bond moment. And it's dangerous to do that because if the rest of the film doesn't live up to that past, it feels like the producers have nothing new to say and instead reference the "good old days".Had this scene played in another movie exactly like that, you would have called it a charming spoof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 It appears several times before that Marian....Just not so much in the retro styleAs far as I could tell from the film (I don't have the CD), it's only hinted at, but never played in full/prominently/in the well known arrangement.By the way, I like Bond's choice of whisky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 The theme gets a good retro rendition when the choppers turn up at Silva's island.The Bond theme is used in Skyfall far more then in the previous 2 films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 But I feel it had more impact in the previous two. Those statements were very poignant, something that I don't feel in Skyfall. I would have loved for Newman to use the theme more fully in the train sequence and also when Bond rides over the Grand Bazaar. Instead, he uses just the opening notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 oh, QOS was going to end with mr white and guy haines (prime minister advisor), and in the end credit gunbarrel bond would shot White.But they cut it so it didnt became a trilogy.. (i would have liked a cointained trilogy...)the deleted scene was mentioned to be going to be put on the DVD extras but it never was. maybe in future releases... probably they dont want to release it in case they continue with quantum and want another direction/setting. But deleted scenes are never to be considered 100% canon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Well they did reuse David Arnolds arrangements for any extended uses of the theme. Wish they had included the Gunbarrel cue on the cd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Ebert gives the film a glowing review and calls it the best Bond film in ages.He does make the mistake of calling Craig's previous Bond performances unconvincing, while he actually praised Craig in his reviews for both Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace.Interestingly Ebert has slightly corrected his review. It now reads:with Daniel Craig taking full possession of a role he earlier played well in "Casino Royale," not so well in "Quantum" -- although it may not have been entirely his fault. Or is it just that he's growing on me?It's a bit better, though I maintain Craig was excellent in QoS, something Ebert states in his review for that film.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Of course he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I finally got to see the movie in its full IMAX glory. I enjoyed it even more the second time around. It's really a thoroughly well made film. Even Deakins' blue-orange fetish worked well in the context of the film.Everyone has been bitching about the last act of the film in reviews, and I don't get it. The sudden shift in mood is sublime. The quietness, the sense of nostalgia, and the waiting. The windy roads. It's like Mendes sucks out all noise, and you are left with only the bare essentials. It's a meta-level version of the bustle of modern technology vs. old fashioned techniques. When since the 60s has the final act of a Bond been so silent all you hear is grass under the character's feet? And then BOOM, out come the machine guns, the helicopters, the explosions. It's genius.Oh and best moment of the movie for the car fanatics? Daniel Craig's expression when he hears an exploding DB5 outside. Gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Yeah with the Bond theme blaring out in an expression of his anger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I felt pumped. Because I felt the very same emotions. You do not fuck with the Goldfinger DB5 son! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Btw, this one comes from the desk of Neil S. Bulk.He believes that the role of Kincaid, Bonds gamekeeper was written with Sean Connery in mind.There is some evidence to suggest this is true. His line, "Welcome to Scotland", and "I was ready before you were born".Also the role is actually a little redundant in a movie that is quite economical with it's characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Neil S. Bulk?Sam Mendes has made it clear that early on they wanted to bring Sean Connery on as "another character" who would, now that we've seen the movie, obviously be Kincaid.There was a definite discussion about that — way, way early on. But I think that’s problematic. Because, to me, it becomes too … it would take you out of the movie. Connery is Bond and he’s not going to come back as another character. It’s like, he’s been there. So, it was a very brief flirtation with that thought, but it was never going to happen, because I thought it would distract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Neil S. Bulk?Our esteemed former Moderator! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 That would be Mr. Breathmask!Some fun facts about this movie:My favorite: 01. Daniel Craig drunkenly offered Sam Mendes the chance to direct — without the producers’ permissionThe Hollywood Reporter reports that Skyfall first got off the ground when franchise star Daniel Craig bumped into director Sam Mendes at Hugh Jackman’s 2009 birthday party in New York City. When Mendes tossed off a few casual remarks about how he would direct the next 007 film, Craig impulsively offered him the job. “I’d had a few too many drinks and I completely overstepped the line and said, ‘Why don’t you do it’?” said Craig. “And Sam said, ‘Why not?’” Fortunately, producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 No, Neil S. Bulk also known as Indysolo was Moderator for some time before he upped sticks and became successful. Mr. Breathmask took over from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Really! He must have been dull, I can't remember the poor old sap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 He was, but we needed someone to fill in the position.The Bulk years are generally regarded as the "dark times" of the JWFAN MB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Btw, this one comes from the desk of Neil S. Bulk.He believes that the role of Kincaid, Bonds gamekeeper was written with Sean Connery in mind.There is some evidence to suggest this is true. His line, "Welcome to Scotland", and "I was ready before you were born".Also the role is actually a little redundant in a movie that is quite economical with it's characters.You guys are just coming to this revelation now? Once mentioned this 2 weeks ago!By the way, there is no doubt in my mind that Albert Finney's role was written for Sean Connery."Ready?""I was ready before you were born, kid!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Jason. Some of us were trying to avoid all spoilers. and frankly don't have time to catch up on every fucking thing that has been discussed up until the point of release! Admiral Holdo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Just watched the film. Loved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Good.... GOOOOOD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I don't know whether I think it would have been cool as hell for Sean Connery to play that part, or whether it would have felt cheap. As fun as it would have been, I think it probably would have ended up feeling ... well, maybe "cheap" is the wrong word, so let's go with "misguided" instead. Because really, how could you ever put Connery in a Bond movie and NOT have him overshadow whoever he's on the screen with? You'd constantly be expecting him to just take over and put Silva down on his own.I'll tell you what needs to happen, though (while it still can): get Connery, Lazenby, Moore, Dalton, Brosnan, and Craig all in a room together to film a summit-style conversation. God damn, I'd pay REAL good money for that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycket 36 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 They tried for the 50th. Everyone but Connery showed up as I guess he was too busy playing golf or something.I don't think Connery would have overshadowed Craig, it would have been a nice moment for the franchise and a much better point for Connery to end his career than The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. He already did the From Russia With Love video game back in 05 so either he's not doing well health wise or he's still upset with the Broccoli family after all these years. Either way, I don't think the film suffered. I know whenever I see the end of the film I'll always think "what if...." but the film is so fantastic that it won't matter much. This is the kind of film that Bond deserves all the time, not just when the producers decide they have to try a little harder. Literary Bond is probably as close to the film Bond in this film since From Russia With Love. As good as Goldfinger is, it really sent the franchise on a turn so far away from Fleming that its quite unfortunate. Hopefully this is a sign that they will continue on this path from now on, but the trend is that usually after a more dramatic Bond movie to be followed by a mindless action fest like TND or QoS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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