So Ridley Scott is directing a Prometheus sequel... (The official Alien: Covenant Thread)

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Raped is a bit strong. Is that how you feel about it? I never knew you were such a Jerry fanboy?

[A24 4,345]

Ah, the diversionary tactic ... 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

What did you think of Legend, Alex? Do you prefer it with Jerry's score or Tangerine's?

[A24 4,345]

I've never seen the Tangerine Dream version (only the Euro version) but I hear it's terrible. I remember liking Jerry's Waltz ...

 

[Brónach 1,302]

This looks like a remake of both Alien and Prometheus and, bleh. Boring.

[Jay 37,372]

1 hour ago, Alexcremers said:

But isn't it true that Scott raped Goldsmith's score because he felt it was too much of a typical creature score?

 

Are you seriously unaware of how much of Jerry's original compositions were altered in the final cut of the film, or are you just trying to be funny?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

For a film connoisseur, Alex always seems strangely unaware of things like that.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

The arty film buff types tend to like hacked up scores anyway.

 

Thor in particular has been been vocal in his liking for the sliced and diced version of the score so much, he wrote an academic paper on it.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It's better than what Jerry intended, of course...

[crumbs 14,318]

It's a series tradition anyway, all the composers get screwed over (for the relevant films anyway, Frizzell excepted).

 

Goldsmith goes without saying, same with Horner. Goldenthal had to completely redo parts of Alien 3 due to reshoots. Scott disliked Streitenfeld's Prometheus main theme so much he had HGW replace it almost entirely. Naturally Scott repaid the favour by binning HGW's score for Covenant a few months back.

 

Amusing to think there's never been a repeat composer in all 9 films featuring Xenomorphs.

[Jay 37,372]

Just now, crumbs said:

At least the series can legitimately say they've never had a repeat composer in all 9 films featuring Xenomorphs.

 

Has any other franchise had that many entries without a repeat composer?

[A24 4,345]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

 

Are you seriously unaware of how much of Jerry's original compositions were altered in the final cut of the film, or are you just trying to be funny?

 

I don't get it. Does rape mean something else to you? You are such a weird moderator, Jason.  

[crumbs 14,318]

Just now, Jay said:

 

Has any other franchise had that many entries without a repeat composer?

 

I can't even think of many franchises with that many entries - the obvious ones like Bond or Star Trek or Fart & Furious all have regular composers. 

 

So it seems unique to the Alien series and it's a cool bit of trivia!

 

If Silvestri hadn't done Predator 1 & 2 we could include those films in the cinematic universe as well

[Jay 37,372]

5 minutes ago, Alexcremers said:

 

I don't get it. Does rape mean something else to you? You are such a weird moderator, Jason.  

 

Way to not answer my question.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Does Alex ever really answer questions though? He doesnt talk with people, he talks at them.

 

Sad...

[A24 4,345]

1 minute ago, Jay said:

 

Way to not answer my question.

 

I don't understand why you are asking it. Did I say something wrong? I think not.

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

4 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

Way to not answer my question.

 

On December 28, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Prerecorded Briefing said:

How is that ridiculous, Jay?  The ubiquity of technology has made it necessary for any composer to also have some measure of facility with the various aspects of music production as well.  Some have equal facility with both.  Some utilize those things as a part of their fundamental creative process, as popular music people have been doing for decades. 

 

On December 28, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Jay said:

Composing is composing, producing is producing!

 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Jason wasnt wrong though.

[Jay 37,372]

4 minutes ago, Alexcremers said:

 

I don't understand why you are asking it. Did I say something wrong? I think not.

 

I asked you if you are aware that the final cut of the film "Alien" features music from Jerry Goldsmith that is almost never what he actually wrote, for the place he wrote it.  That Ridley Scott chopped up and moved around Jerry's compositions, and tracked in music from other places as well.  

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Not to mention tracking existing material from Freud would have been professionally embarrassing for Goldsmith since it would have looked to some like he was ripping himself off.

[A24 4,345]

Just now, Jay said:

 

I asked you if you are aware that the final cut of the film "Alien" features music from Jerry Goldsmith that is almost never what he actually wrote, for the place he wrote it.  That Ridley Scott chopped up and moved around Jerry's compositions, and tracked in music from other places as well.  

 

 

Yeah, I call that "rape". I hope that's okay with you, Jay. Steef said Goldsmith is not a classical film composer (which is kind of strange) but then why did Scott think his approach was too classical? Maybe Steef didn't know that. 

 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Ooohh...you love to deflect, don't you.

 

Anyway, you are using my opinion to defend the one Ridley Scott held. Which is absurd.

 

FAILED! 

 

You have failed Alex, please leave this forum. You lost your intellectual credibility years ago and you certainly arent any fun.

 

[Quintus 5,399]

Call him a paedo or something and he'll block you! 

[A24 4,345]

2 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

 

You have failed Alex, please leave this forum. You lost your intellectual credibility years ago and you certainly arent any fun.

 

You're such a nice guy.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

1 minute ago, Quintus said:

Call him a paedo or something and he'll block you! 

 

You reckon? I mean he is from Belgium. They invented it.

[A24 4,345]

Ah, yes, very strange of a moderator to let that slide. However, when I say 'idiot' I get banned. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It's the Trump era soon, we can say what we want again now! 

[A24 4,345]

Groper!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

How offensive!

 

Jaaaassssooonnnn!

[KK 3,307]

4 hours ago, crumbs said:

A rock score for a moody horror film is... intriguing.

 

How do you know that's what you're getting? Just because he's a rock musician doesn't mean you're getting a rock score. There have been a good number of examples in recent years to prove otherwise.

[Dixon Hill 4,234]

49 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

Jason wasnt wrong though.

 

With no more than a truism offered in reply, this is an embarrassing position to take!  Sad.  I'll be off to JWFan Pro now. 

[A24 4,345]

That's where I go ... all the time! 

[BloodBoal 7,538]

Ridley Scott's turned down "several" superhero films and thinks "cinema mainly is pretty bad"

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

He's right.

[Quintus 5,399]

Captain Obvious turned down superhero movies? Interesting. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Probably because Marvel and DC would rather not give final cut rights to their directors.

[A24 4,345]

Of course he's right but he's part of it. And Winter Soldier is better than Exodus: Gods And Kings.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Have you seen it? The trailer looked awful, so I didnt bother.

[Quintus 5,399]

That isn't enough for some people Stefan. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

It was enough for me not to bother. And Bale shouldn't be doing standard Hollywood hero roles like that. Its not where his strengths lie.

[A24 4,345]

Yes, but it took me two attempts before I could finish it. However, Star Trek Beyond is even dumber than Exodus so he still has a point. Thankfully, TV is where the more interesting stuff happens.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Star Trek is better than everything!

[A24 4,345]

That phrase made me frown a lot during Star Trek Beyond. That movie is downright unwatchable. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Pleb!

[Thor 7,519]

On 29.12.2016 at 4:16 PM, Daniel Clamp said:

The arty film buff types tend to like hacked up scores anyway.

 

Thor in particular has been been vocal in his liking for the sliced and diced version of the score so much, he wrote an academic paper on it.

 

I'm impressed you remembered. It might actually be my most-published piece. First as a term paper in 2002, then in revised form in a media magazine in 2003, then in yet another revised form (without much of the academic lingo) in another film journal just last year, an online version -- in Norwegian -- which is available here:

 

http://znett.com/2016/03/musikk-for-monstere-filmmusikalsk-ekstranarrativitet-i-alien/

 

It's my "Satelite Celebration"/"Song for World Peace".

[Jay 37,372]

I love how the blu ray has an audio track of the final music exactly as is in the final cut, and another audio track that presents what Goldsmith intended as closely as possible (not truly possible since he scored a working cut that was re-edited heavily after he recorded his music)

[crumbs 14,318]

20 hours ago, Jay said:

I love how the blu ray has an audio track of the final music exactly as is in the final cut, and another audio track that presents what Goldsmith intended as closely as possible (not truly possible since he scored a working cut that was re-edited heavily after he recorded his music)

 

Charles De Lauzirika is the best Bluray producer in the industry. He killed those Bluray sets, the Prometheus one as well.

 

And didn't Mike Matessino himself assemble those isolated audio tracks? Dual tracks for the first two films (final film score and composer's intended score) and singles for the latter two. Though from memory the Alien 3 one couldn't be assembled from the tape masters so unfortunately they used the film stems. Vaguely recall reading that the A3 tapes have deteriorated beyond repair.

[A24 4,345]

38 minutes ago, crumbs said:

 

Charles De Lauzirika is the best Bluray producer in the industry. 

 

 

 

Sure, but ever since he has hidden that Easter egg on the Prometheus release, people now think that the universes of Alien and Blade Runner are connected.

 

Not so!

 

 

Alex

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Think about it! It makes sense! 

 

WOW!

[A24 4,345]

See what I mean, crumbs!