TownerFan 4,983 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Looks interesting:http://filmmusicrepo...olin-and-cello/Let's hope he'll write something original! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Interesting news! Jamie breaking into concert/orchestral music scene. Good for him! I think he should also do a larger orchestral work called Dangerous Motives, where he would explore the 4-note motto in a 30 to 40 minute 1 Movement work. Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Let's hope he uses good orchestrators, which likely wont be a problem as he clearly has a talent for picking them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 There comes a point in every mans life where he asks himself what his legacy will be. Horner looked back and saw Titanic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 That's a grander legacy then any of us can claim.He will just re-arrange Spectral Shimmerings for violin and cello. MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Interesting news! Jamie breaking into concert/orchestral music scene. Good for him! I think he should also do a larger orchestral work called Dangerous Motives, where he would explore the 4-note motto in a 30 to 40 minute 1 Movement work. That hack Rachmaninov already did that!Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Very nice, just the other I was wondering about Horner's concert works... I hope he takes the more modern route he's been meaning to do all these years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 The problem is that even though he is a better composer then most film composers working today, he is considered at bit of a laughing stock in the film score (fan) community. Mostly because of his tendency to re-use his own music, steal from other composers, and some of the interviews he has given.No way he will be taken seriously by the classical music community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 The problem is that even though he is a better composer then most film composers working today, he is considered at bit of a laughing stock in the film score (fan) community. Mostly because of his tendency to re-use his own music, steal from other composers, and some of the interviews he has given.No way he will be taken seriously by the classical music community.Agreed. Also the fact that he lacks technique doesn't help. His execrable modulations are hardly listenable. No orchestrator can hide those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Whoa, this is wonderfully unexpected news. I absolutely love Horner's strings writing so this could potentially be a sublime recording. For some reason I'm looking more forward to this than I ever have any of Williams' own concert works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Agreed. Also the fact that he lacks technique doesn't help. His execrable modulations are hardly listenable. No orchestrator can hide those.Can you give a specific example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShowUStheHOOK 8 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Even though I'm not crazy about Horner's film work much these days.. I'm actually looking forward to hearing a concert work by him. Might give him the opportunity to stretch a little.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 The problem is that even though he is a better composer then most film composers working today, he is considered at bit of a laughing stock in the film score (fan) community. Mostly because of his tendency to re-use his own music, steal from other composers, and some of the interviews he has given.No way he will be taken seriously by the classical music community.Agreed. Also the fact that he lacks technique doesn't help. His execrable modulations are hardly listenable. No orchestrator can hide those.Where do you hear these "execrable" modulations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Agreed. Also the fact that he lacks technique doesn't help. His execrable modulations are hardly listenable. No orchestrator can hide those.Can you give a specific example?just what comes to mind1:40 2:55 http://youtu.be/L3E6BGMpAoU4:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bAaMsy2i-k"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bAaMsy2i-k2:40 onward [media=] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Maybe by composing for the concert hall he's looking for the respect of his fellow composers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I'm sorry MSM, I really don't know what you are getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I think MSN is talking out of his backside. All I heard is the classic Horner sound I love, apart from the Bicentennial Man slush fest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Well, saying someone doesn't have chops because of how they modulate their music is a bit like saying you are color blind because you like orange and blue together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Gazillions of legitimate complaints about James Horner's music and MSM comes up with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Yeah it sounds fine to me. I know i'm not a musician but still....Ofcourse MSM has never been one to explain or defend his opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Execrable Modulations would be a great name for a band.Yeah it sounds fine to me. I know i'm not a musician but still....Ofcourse MSM has never been one to explain or defend his opinions.Must one defend that 2 + 2 = 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Modular excrement would probably be the quality of their first album's track list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Execrable Modulations would be a great name for a band.The bands Execrable Divinity and Modulation Band might take offense to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 But they would be a true heir to Horner's throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 I think MSM was just looking for an excuse to use execrable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 He could have done "execrable new Williams score" in the LINCOLN thread. Didn't someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 It would have been far more enjoyable to just go and sit on the bog for fifteen minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Well maybe I didn' t pick the best examples. Anyway to each his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 You gave 4 examples, but no one seems to understand your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 Gazillions of legitimate complaints about James Horner's music and MSM comes up with this?It annoys me yes. I don;t see why you guys are so upset? Anyway I am surprised none of you hear it. Just to make things clear, I do like Horner as to thematics, orchestrations (although they are not his own) and effectiveness as film music, and I do appreciate his use of a classic symphonic orchestra, but his transitions are the worst part of his music, really.You gave 4 examples, but no one seems to understand your point.Well I exaggerated of course, and I didn;t make my point well by picking not the best examples. But I am sure people understand what I mean. He doesn;t use normal progressions but just slides two (often unrelated) tonalities over each other, causing the most execrable dissonants. If you guys want to call this ' the classic Horner sound' be my guest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 This is great news! I'd love to hear one of my favourite composers making an entry into the classical scene. Very exciting. And I can't wait till fans rip the piece apart dissecting the piece for Hornerisms! Yeah it sounds fine to me. I know i'm not a musician but still....Ofcourse MSM has never been one to explain or defend his opinions.Must one defend that 2 + 2 = 4?2 + 2 = 5, you should know that Hlao-roo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Gazillions of legitimate complaints about James Horner's music and MSM comes up with this?It annoys me yes. I don;t see why you guys are so upset? Anyway I am surprised none of you hear it. Just to make things clear, I do like Horner as to thematics, orchestrations (although they are not his own) and effectiveness as film music, and I do appreciate his use of a classic symphonic orchestra, but his transitions are the worst part of his music, really.You gave 4 examples, but no one seems to understand your point.Well I exaggerated of course, and I didn;t make my point well by picking not the best examples. But I am sure people understand what I mean. He doesn;t use normal progressions but just slides two (often unrelated) tonalities over each other, causing the most execrable dissonants. If you guys want to call this ' the classic Horner sound' be my guest.I get what MSM is talking about. I've heard it quite a bit recently ( I'm listening through all my horner scores) and its very jarring to me. I think to myself " damn that was a bad transition" If I can think of better examples I will post them later.About this concert work....I'm interested in hearing him in the concert hall setting. I'm wondering if his "voice" will be much different. Williams for example seems very different in much of his concert works than he does in the film writing. And Elliot Goldenthal seems to have very much the same voice in film and concert hall ( to my ears, at least) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I think recently we've seen more of a convergence in Williams's film and concert writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I think recently we've seen more of a convergence in Williams's film and concert writing.Hmmm yeah, I suppose so. Its slowly coming together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,508 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 And for NORWEGIAN soloists even!!! Makes me proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I get what MSM is talking about. I've heard it quite a bit recently ( I'm listening through all my horner scores) and its very jarring to me. I think to myself " damn that was a bad transition"Maybe these years spent in a balinese garden only listening to gamelan music left their mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted September 25, 2012 Share Posted September 25, 2012 I get what MSM is talking about. I've heard it quite a bit recently ( I'm listening through all my horner scores) and its very jarring to me. I think to myself " damn that was a bad transition"Maybe these years spent in a balinese garden only listening to gamelan music left their mark?Why don't you tell us what big issues you have against Horner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I have abandoned my big issues with James Horner many moons ago. But to cite any of those polished Hollywood guys like Horner for their supposedly 'awkward transitions' seems like extreme straw-grasping. There is nothing jarring in anything posted here, certainly not by western music standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted September 26, 2012 Share Posted September 26, 2012 I have abandoned my big issues with James Horner many moons ago. But to cite any of those polished Hollywood guys like Horner for their supposedly 'awkward transitions' seems like extreme straw-grasping. There is nothing jarring in anything posted here, certainly not by western music standards.Neither I have big issues with James Horner except said issue. But I admit that you need a good ear to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Looks interesting:http://filmmusicrepo...olin-and-cello/Let's hope he'll write something original! He has a master degree so he's well-trained. Composing a serious work, like a violin concerto, will probably tell us how talented he really is. Please let me know when there's a CD or a recording available.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,508 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 Looks interesting:http://filmmusicrepo...olin-and-cello/Let's hope he'll write something original! He has a master degree so he's well-trained. Composing a serious work, like a violin concerto, will probably tell us how talented he really is. Please let me know when there's a CD or a recording available.Actually, he has a PH.D. (a doctorate), which is even more impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted September 28, 2012 Share Posted September 28, 2012 He knows his Prokofiev, Rachmaninov, Vaughan-Williams and Britten just fine. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Well-trained you say? Who was his master? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 It's coming out on May the 27th.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Ooh, interesting! I really need to get this one. Lovely cover.This Norwegian article (with an English translation below) mentions the release date as being May the 25th, however (the CD could perhaps be released on the 25th in Europe, and the 27th in the US):http://www.mynewsdesk.com/no/universalmusicnorge/pressreleases/oscar-komponist-james-horner-i-samarbeid-med-norsk-stjernesoeskenpar-1131423So does this French DEUTSCHE GRAMMOPHON article:http://www.clubdeutschegrammophon.com/albums/james-horner-pas/And strangely, a release date of May the 22nd is given here:http://www.bol.com/nl/p/pas-de-deux/9200000041282101/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Oh Jimmy... slippin' Jimmy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Slippin' Jamie. Cant help but sneak in a Danger Motif or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 It's a shame that the piece is inoffensive and not much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 I've not heard it yet. Looking forward to the album.After a few slim years, Horner is getting back to business (it seems). Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted May 5, 2015 Share Posted May 5, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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