Jonesy 55 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Another oddity: The final track is credited to Griffin Giacchino thereA ghostwriter, I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,381 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Is that his pet monkey?Griffith Giacchino is his son I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,421 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 IMDB confirms ithttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt2103281/soundtrack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted July 4, 2014 Share Posted July 4, 2014 Samples on soundcloud:https://soundcloud.com/sony-soundtracks/sets/dawn-of-the-planet-of-the-apes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 I love Giacchino, but man, he loves him some slow descending major thirds, doesn't he?(Musically literate people, please correct me if I'm misusing the term. The one major theme that jumped out at me in the RAH suite (heard in full-throated form in the end credit sample on his website) is based on a pair of notes I swear I hear in every Giacchino score. E-C, E-C, etc. etc. It's rarely in the foreground as it is here, but almost any time Giacchino goes into dramatic, emotional mode, there they are.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max 141 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 The soundtrack is out on iTunes!I just finished my first listen, and I love what I hear! I'm definitely looking forward to listening to this one again and again. I'm not very familiar with Goldsmith's original Planet of the Apes score, but the closest thing to which I can compare this would probably have to be Giacchino's own Lost, but better, I think. An evolution and improvement of that style, in my opinion.The album also sounds great. Joel Iwataki has done a fantastic job--definitely better than Wallin! I'm eager to see what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,421 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Oh sweet, it's on Spotify properly now too. I'll listen on my way to work! http://open.spotify.com/album/59wzkoPpKOwo2YQFmKoiKV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 It's available on the new continent only it seems.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,421 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I've listened to it twice now, and I enjoy it!I can't even really think of any other Giacchino scores to liken it to, because it all sounds very original to me. Indeed another evolution of his sound. I'm also not familiar with all the scores in the long running Apes franchise, but I did notice some percussion that sounded like Elfman's version.I'll probably end up seeing the film now just to give the music context. I always enjoy scores more that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 It's not bad so far. Not bad at all.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I'm a few cues into it and it is really impressive. Seems like the good but somewhat unconvincing STID was just him shaking off the cobwebs after his hiatus and getting back on two feet. This one is definitely an evolution in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,421 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 And to think he composed it after Jupiter Ascending. I wonder what that one sounds like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Any cues that'd be up my street? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 At the very least he's using sneaky xylophones and halfway atonal woodwind parts in his action music. Kudos for that alone.Any cues that'd be up my street?Try the suite first: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I'm a few cues into it and it is really impressive. Seems like the good but somewhat unconvincing STID was just him shaking off the cobwebs after his hiatus and getting back on two feet. This one is definitely an evolution in the right direction.Listening for the second time in a row. It's waaaaaaay above two Star Trek. It seems like his own style met its match in this film.And the action music is stronger than usual.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Any cues that'd be up my street?Hard to say yet.And to think he composed it after Jupiter Ascending. I wonder what that one sounds like.They should just cancel that movie, and he should adapt the material into a symphony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 At the very least he's using sneaky xylophones and halfway atonal woodwind parts in his action music. Kudos for that alone.Any cues that'd be up my street?Try the suite first: I like the very beginning and 4:10 to 4:59. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 The most percussive cue: Goldsmith it ain't but there's still a wide margin between this and what was served in summer blockbusters up to 2013. Sharkissimo and crocodile 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I love what he does with woodwinds in chorus in this one: Karol Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Some of this stuff sounds quite good. I'll check out the whole thing later tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Only minor quibble is with his I-vi thematic thing, which is now bordering on self-parody haha. It's his danger motif. And also with the cliched dramatic-upwards-portamento choir that happens a few too many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 On their own, simple themes might be indeed disappointing. But in the context of the whole soundscape he's created and how themes move through it, it's all highly effective. The longer-lined melodies, with richer constructs, wouldn't serve this concept as well. Not with this one.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 And also with the cliched dramatic-upwards-portamento choir that happens a few too many times.That thing should be limited to just trailer music, then quarantined, and killed with fire. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Only minor quibble is with his I-vi thematic thing, which is now bordering on self-parody haha. Glad I'm not the only one who finds this really annoying. It was nice enough at first, but hearing those same progressions pop up in nearly every one of his scores is grating on the ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,421 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Since I have no idea what that means, can you guys provide timestamps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 And to think he composed it after Jupiter Ascending. I wonder what that one sounds like.They should just cancel that movie, and he should adapt the material into a symphony.Jupiter Ascending wasn't written or recorded to picture, so that's not an entirely invalid approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,421 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I thought a bunch of music was written early, but then there were traditional film cues set to picture recorded eventually as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 On their own, simple themes might be indeed disappointing. But in the context of the whole soundscape he's created and how themes move through it, it's all highly effective. The longer-lined melodies, with richer constructs, wouldn't serve this concept as well. Not with this one.KarolSure, there's nothing wrong with themes being simple. But there are other possibilities beyond that same progression over and over. Especially when the melodic line doesn't have any character of its own and is just the top line of the harmony.Since I have no idea what that means, can you guys provide timestamps?The I-vi harmony is the first two chords of what seems to be the main "character" theme. They're the same chords that open the Super 8 theme, a ton of Lost themes, and I'm sure many other Giacchino themes that I can't think of offhand. He just does it a bit too much.I do really like the theme presented in the opening cue and the end credits suite though.The choir thing can be heard in one instance at 5:30 in Gorilla Warfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 On their own, simple themes might be indeed disappointing. But in the context of the whole soundscape he's created and how themes move through it, it's all highly effective. The longer-lined melodies, with richer constructs, wouldn't serve this concept as well. Not with this one.KarolSure, there's nothing wrong with themes being simple. But there are other possibilities beyond that same progression over and over. Especially when the melodic line doesn't have any character of its own and is just the top line of the harmony.I don't disagree. But in this one it makes perfectly sense, given that it kind of depicts how new "simple" society of apes is developing. It just works. Very much in the same way Lost did.The trouble starts when you get to big space operas and things like that - things that require more adventurous thematic material.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I thought a bunch of music was written early, but then there were traditional film cues set to picture recorded eventually as well?There were pickup sessions a month or so ago, but the bulk of material was recorded in June 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,421 Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I'd have to imagine the pickups last month were set to picture. But who knows I guess. He didn't tweet out slates and stuff like he did for STID and DOTPOTA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,421 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 So KK and Jim, what do you think of the OST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymenard 54 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 The simple themes *are* part of what he does. The 3-chord piano stuff or a simple "same note plucked 3 times on the viola". It works best on more tribal situations, a la Lost or this movie. He still proved with John Carter that expressive themes are possible in a more grandiose-type setting. Anyway the whole thing is really impressive, it's like he's pushing every Giacchino button from the past decade (back to the Lost pilot) and it all works together flawlessly. You can tell he worked a lot on his orchestration. It reminds me of JP: The Lost World in the woodwinds mixed with Goldsmith from his adventure-era (mummy/mulan/edge/ghost&darkness).Top score of the year by far. Wish he had made a reference to the funkyness of Goldsmith Escape from POTA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 You know, it would've been really cool if in the end credits, Giacchino had quoted those 8 chords from the original score. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Am I the only one that thinks the orchestrations sound...more mature? Or is it just the mix? It sounds less goofy and plucky (which had become Giacchino's trademark). This sounds big and professional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,421 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 It's definitely a way more mature score than the usual summer blockbuster Giacchino score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I'm hearing the same, Blume. This sounds like a progression from JOHN CARTER. A good omen for JURASSIC WORLD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,421 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 And Jupiter Ascending, Tomorrowland, and Inside Out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I was listening to this on Spotify when browsing around and in a lot of parts it really got my attention. Like I was distracted doing something else and suddenly I was wowed at how good and mature the music sounded.Really, really nice score. Giacchino really surprised us all with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Yeah. The instruments no longer sound like they're stressed to their limits playing notes that should be played by another instrument. This feels very different from past Giacchino, specifically in orchestration. Even the percussion have a satisfying bite and oomph he's never achieved before. Do we know who the orchestrators are on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Arthur Morton & Sandy Courage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,421 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 We might not find that out until the physical CD drops on August 12thUnless someone wants to ask Gia over twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I'm sure it's Tim Simonec as usual. Although he's not on IMDb for it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Yeah, from a few quotes from Giacchino himself it seems his goal was to honour Goldsmith. And I do get that vibe - from orchestration, not themes.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 From what I've heard (not available on Spotify UK yet) this rips the Patrick Doyle score to shreds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 This is not the hardest task but let's not get ahead of ourselves. This is still far from brilliant, so file it under Godzilla-good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I'm not sure whether this is better (or worse, for that matter) than Godzilla or How To Train Your Dragon. Or other good stuff this year. I enjoy each one of those in different ways - hard to compare, really.Karol Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 From what I've heard (not available on Spotify UK yet) this rips the Patrick Doyle score to shreds.I suspect that Giacchino had more than nine days to write it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,027 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Apparently, he "roughed out" a version of it in 15 days before diving into Jupiter Ascending. Whatever that means.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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