igger6 912 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I haven't seen Thor 2 yet, but I perked up when I saw that the last track on the OST was called "Marvel Studios Fanfare." As one who still mourns Randy Newman's dear, departed Disney/Pixar fanfare, and as an absolute devotee of Brian Tyler's reworking of the Goldsmith Universal fanfare, I love it when studios debut new logo music.Here's Tyler's Marvel fanfare, with animation, courtesy of Erik Woods' Twitter.http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid16681868001?bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAAr7e30~,vihvuRVBQpNFbdXq-mJPiy5bq6kzgKag&bctid=2832255681001I heard it on Youtube a couple of weeks back, and I thought was excellent—full of the kind of industrial-tough-guy energy I've associated with Marvel ever since the olden days.Then I heard Tyler's actual score for Thor 2. It's epic and melodic and dramatic and all that, and the main theme is definitely hummable, paying vague idiomatic tribute to the perfectly good themes from Patrick Doyle's original. The problem is just that—how can I put this?—the main theme for the film pretty much IS the Marvel Studio Fanfare.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLj-ZBzE8sIBOOOOOOM, trip-a-let BOOOOM BOOOOM BOOOOM!!I know the ending and the pitches are slightly different, but it seems so sloppy to spend time crafting a melody that will introduce every subsequent film in the biggest franchise in Hollywood, and then essentially re-use it to characterize one element of that franchise. Am I the only one this bothers? I know we should be grateful they went to the trouble of commissioning a studio theme, and I know Marvel has already broken records for ignorance of musical integrity in their cinematic universe (minor variations of the Captain America March in two shots on the heli-carrier don't count), but this seems like a real rookie move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,977 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 What about the statement of Caps theme in Thor 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 912 Posted November 15, 2013 Author Share Posted November 15, 2013 SSSHH!! Haven't seen it yet, but I did catch wind of that, and I can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal_Ozzel 36 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Huh, I didn't notice the similarity while watching the film, but it is rather clear hearing it now.When I first heard the fanfare, though, it did immediately make me think of Horner's "Genesis Countdown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR1701 60 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Am I the only one sick of thundering electronic drums overshadowing everything in soundtracks these days? Every single soundtrack sounds the same to me. Galloping drums, simplistic themes (if the composer even bothers with themes), and fluttering string ostinatos. These scores can almost be copy-pasted from one film to the next.And whoever mixed that clip above needs his head checked. When the brass section and the violin section sound equally powerful, you've done something wrong. Joni Wiljami and Bilbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,236 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 ...something tells me you're not the only person here who feels that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,985 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 I like the new logo music - better than Tyler's 'improved' Universal logo (which I think he's ruined - too many layers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,977 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Am I the only one sick of thundering electronic drums. Sadly, a lot of these things are acoustic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,974 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 Am I the only one sick of thundering electronic drums.Sadly, a lot of these things are acoustic.It's probably Tyler playing them himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,925 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Can we asume it's going to be the Marvel Logo Music from now on, or that the track is called Marvel Fanfare, representing the name of a cue that scores the Logos on this particular movie? (as other films do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,647 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Am I the only one sick of thundering electronic drums.Sadly, a lot of these things are acoustic. It's probably Tyler playing them himself.With skulls of listeners whose heads he already made explode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 38,660 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Can we asume it's going to be the Marvel Logo Music from now on, or that the track is called Marvel Fanfare, representing the name of a cue that scores the Logos on this particular movie? (as other films do) What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Gonzales 5,977 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Is it that hard to understand? Is it the new fanfare for a few years? or is it just for this ifilm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 534 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 http://marvel.com/news/story/21508/introducing_the_new_marvel_studios_logo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,985 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 That's one of the best press statements I've ever seen from an executive. Apart from a bit of backslapping for Tyler, he basically tells it like it is. I didn't even know Marvel was now their own entity.And I now can't get that theme out of my head - good job Tyler! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 And whoever mixed that clip above needs his head checked. When the brass section and the violin section sound equally powerful, you've done something wrong.Why?It's not been recorded and mixed to sound like it's being played in a concert hall. Why would it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR1701 60 Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 And whoever mixed that clip above needs his head checked. When the brass section and the violin section sound equally powerful, you've done something wrong.Why?It's not been recorded and mixed to sound like it's being played in a concert hall. Why would it?It has noting to do with concert halls. Orchestras don't sound like that in recording studios, either. I assume the point of using an orchestra is to sound like an orchestra, no? That clip sounds like a 10-year-old got hold of daddy's mixing board and started playing around with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 Orchestra's sound that way in recording studio's if they are mixed that way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,746 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I thought the fanfare was pretty forgettable as was Tyler's score. I love these Marvel movies but the music does nothing for me. All I can remember from the first 2 Iron Man movies is AC/DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 8,414 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 It sounds like something Louis Ferbe would have done in the later seasons of Smallville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR1701 60 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Orchestra's sound that way in recording studio's if they are mixed that way!No, they don't. If you stand in the studio and listen to the orchestra playing it won't sound anything like that recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Yes, but is that relevant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,925 Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Is it that hard to understand?Is it the new fanfare for a few years? or is it just for this ifilmthat's what i meant http://marvel.com/news/story/21508/introducing_the_new_marvel_studios_logothanks that explains it all Funny statement though: (since it seems the fanfare is the theme of the film...)So he thankfully was willing to and happy to create a spectacular standalone fanfare for us.”This situation makes me wonder. Maybe Lucasfilm will be it's own entity too, so the can create a new longer logo...And JOHN WILLIAMS must compose the fanfare for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycket 36 Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 I'd expect Disney would want their logo in front of Star Wars, but their restraint with the Marvel movie does make me wonder. Either way, since the beginning I figured Williams would have to create a new fanfare to replace the FOX one, so that will be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR1701 60 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Yes, but is that relevant?Considering that was the whole point of my original comment, yeah. And if you don't want an orchestra to sound like an orchestra, why bother with using one? They're expensive and time-consuming. If you want a bunch of electronically-mixed down nonsense, just have the computer generate it in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted November 21, 2013 Share Posted November 21, 2013 Weird, because it sounds like an orchestra to me, just beefed up a bit in the mix. Nothing wrong with that, and certainly nothing new.Close miking and putting instruments forward in the mix has been done in film music forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,666 Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 I like the fanfare. Noticed it during the filmAnd the rest of the score seemed better than other Marvel films of late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,359 Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 It's like Hans Zimmer of the 90's but with more orchestra.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 It reminds me of the bicycle chase theme from E.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,666 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I get the Horner resemblance but not the bicycle chase oneThe actual fanfare sounds like an old school theme and the variation in the main theme is more RCPish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 16, 2013 Share Posted December 16, 2013 I hear the Horner also. It also reminds me of Tintin's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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