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21 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

 

It can, but only as a setting for the story and the characters. Once you start to meander, fawning around your own evocation of a time and place, and letting the story lag for it, you've failed as a storyteller.

 

I love meandering, evocation and mood. All part of building a world where the characters live. Fail to create a world and you have failed as a storyteller. In the end, the world and its characters will be a part of my memory, not the story. 

 

 

 

 

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Look, I like it when a movie takes its time, but there comes a point where it feels like the story and the characters are just there as an excuse to explore the world of the film.

 

No, thank you.

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Again, if I want to know more about 1960s LA I'd watch a documentary, not a feature film that's supposed to be about these two guys but only sorta and not really, because look! the 1960s!

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If you know a good docu about the dreams and disillusions of people, where you really feel the spirit of the era, and that is able to transport me into that world, then I wouldn't mind watching it. 

 

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If you want to know LA in the 50s- before the freeways and housing tracts ruined it- check out tv sbow HIGHWAY PATROL. It's a camp classic!

16 minutes ago, AC1 said:

If you know a good docu about the dreams and disillusions of people, where you really feel the spirit of the era, and that is able to transport me into that world, then I wouldn't mind watching it. 

 

Docs

THE WAY WEST

NEW YORK : A DOCUMENTARY FILM

 

Dramas"

ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST

THE GREAT GATSBY.( Fuhrman)

THE DOORS

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Howards End or perennial JWFan favourite The Remains of the Day, though? I'd probably pip for the latter, but really I'll take any M&I I can get, depending on how rainy the afternoon is outside.

 

But if you really want to talk about windows into the past, Days of Heaven takes some beating. 

 

2 hours ago, Chen G. said:

Look, I like it when a movie takes its time, but there comes a point where it feels like the story and the characters are just there as an excuse to explore the world of the film.

 

 

I don't understand this view. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Chen G. said:

 

It can, but only as a setting for the story and its characters. There's nothing wrong with putting a lot of energy into creating a believable setting, and there's nothing wrong taking some time to really immerse the audience in it, to let them "drink in" some of your visuals.

 

But once you start to meander, fawning around your own evocation of a time and a place, and letting the story lag behind, you've failed as a storyteller.

 

This is a well-beaten argument obviously, but I'd still point out that not all films have to be driven by story or characters. Sometimes films can be about manifesting a condition or a world, as long as it has something to say about it.

 

I don't think Once Upon a Time succeeds on either front.

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3 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

QT is one of the few, maybe the only director who confronts America's racist history straight on.

And he goes nowhere with it in H8. Django, however, is another story that may even be the most relevant film about racism of the past decade.

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52 minutes ago, KK said:

 

This is a well-beaten argument obviously, but I'd still point out that not all films have to be driven by story or characters. Sometimes films can be about manifesting a condition or a world, as long as it has something to say about it.

 

I don't think Once Upon a Time succeeds on either front.


Obviously if someone wants to make a “Cinéma Pur”-type film, more power to them. I mean, I won’t be watching it or anything, but to each his own.

 

But, as you say, Once Upon a Time...In Hollywood isn’t that: it is a film that is trying to tell a character story, but constantly gets bogged down in showing off its setting. I mean, you can blend the two, but for my money 99% of the time that fails rather than succeed.

 

I do still like the finale, though. I like the atmosphere of the wee hours of the night in this villa, and the showdown is hysterical.

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7 hours ago, KK said:

 

...as long as it has something to say about it.

 

 

 

Art doesn't have to say anything. Although one could argue Once Upon A Time In Hollywood says a lot about Tarantino. After all, they say it's his most personal film. We're seeing his view on Hollywood, not the true Hollywood one might find in a documentary. 

 

5 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

OUTIH is literally a love or hate film.

I don't hate it ...

 

That means you love it. :lol:

 

 

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32 minutes ago, AC1 said:

 

Art doesn't have to say anything. Although one could argue Once Upon A Time In Hollywood says a lot about Tarantino. After all, they say it's his most personal film.

 

 

That means you love it. :lol:

 

 

Well, I have a more nuanced take than the fan boys or the haters!

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14 minutes ago, publicist said:

It can't have been that successful, if not for this message board I simply would have forgotten it by now.

It opened well, but was not a huge hit.

QT gets more press than box office He doesn't have the mass appeal of someone like Nolan

DU is his only real smash hit iirc.

H

But, he's cool!

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9 minutes ago, AC1 said:

Great! The ones I always disagree with don't like it. There is order in the world after all!

I'm glad Publicist "forgot about it".

It spared us one of his pretentious, NEW YORKER length film reviews!. 😆

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4 hours ago, AC1 said:

Art doesn't have to say anything.

 

Not in the sense of necessarily saying something intellectual, no.

 

Its enough for the drama of the piece to have a fullfiling catharsis. As for Once Upon a Time...In Hollywood... I mean, I laughed at all the violence at the end, but that's the extent of its impact on me.

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6 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

Well, I have a more nuanced take than the fan boys or the haters!

 

5 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

I'm glad Publicist "forgot about it".

It spared us one of his pretentious, NEW YORKER length film reviews!. 😆

 

I don't have anything against you, but still, as far as pretentiousness and fanboyism goes, you have much more of that than pub.

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5 hours ago, Quintus said:

Actually, pub is one of this board's best writers. Although, members who struggle with their "comprehensive reading" might find his prose a bit unwieldy, I suppose. 

It's a message board.

Short and succinct comments 

Save the essays for IMDB.😊

4 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

 

 

I don't have anything against you, but still, as far as pretentiousness and fanboyism goes, you have much more of that than pub.

SOURCE?

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On 9/30/2020 at 10:07 AM, Disco Stu said:

I wanted to live inside Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.  Loved it.

Fine words man. The fairy tale quality of the film Drew me in to an era I grew up in but was vastly different than what I remember. It's nice to think of a world where Sharon Tate lived. 

On a side note none of this film discussion belongs in this thread. 

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5 hours ago, Quintus said:

Actually, pub is one of this board's best writers. Although, members who struggle with their "comprehensive reading" might find his prose a bit unwieldy, I suppose. 

Of course, YOU would say that. He's your role model. 😆 

I look forward to you posting his bibliography. 😎

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22 minutes ago, JoeinAR said:

On a side note none of this film discussion belongs in this thread. 

 

Yeah, because here on JWFan we never digress from the main topic of the conversation...

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13 hours ago, Quintus said:

Yikes! I didn't realise how much I missed having a Josh500 figure of fun character around these parts until you arrived on the scene 😀

 

You'll hafta bear with me.

I used to be a PROFFESIONAL editor of mostly film related writings.

So, Instinct takes over sometimes!. 😆 

Even my friends feel my wrath when they pontificate endlessly!

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13 hours ago, Quintus said:

Yikes! I didn't realise how much I missed having a Josh500 figure of fun character around these parts until you arrived on the scene 😀

 

Josh who?😗

12 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said:

 

Happy Excuse Me GIF

Is that DEXTER or Richie Cunningham?

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On 9/30/2020 at 5:56 PM, bruce marshall said:

If you want to know LA in the 50s- before the freeways and housing tracts ruined it- check out tv sbow HIGHWAY PATROL. It's a camp classic!

I just found a much belated love song based on that show's 4-note theme.

 

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Just watched Love and Monsters. I've loved Dylan O'Brien since The Maze Runner and more recently, Teen Wolf and here, he's the leading force of the film and a conduit for the comedy mostly coming from the witty dialogue. It's 1hr 48mins short and that's my major gripe, it's too damn short and certain plot elements are squashed because of the runtime. 

 

It's kind of made in the same mould as Zombieland with a dash of How To Train Your Dragon, with the main character a hopeless weakling who makes a compendium of the monsters he encounters and his confidence grows the more he overcomes his fears. All in all, it's just a bit of harmless fun that does nothing particularly new to push the genre, but what it does deliver is something charming, if a little undercooked and woefully short. In the Netflix streaming era, I would think had they optioned it for a limited series, it might've worked better in long form than a film presentation, but maybe it's just meant to be something digestible and enjoyed for what it is: a nice, summer film with some cgi monsters and a few laughs.

 

Marco Beltrami and Marcus Trumpp's score is like other Beltrami scores - it's kind of relegated to the background with maybe one or two noteworthy cues that fit the film well. It's a kind of throwback to old monster movie scores, but doesn't really standout other than in the end credits. 

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