Ricard 2,245 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I think Total Recall's boring.At last! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 I think Total Recall's boring.At last! Booo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,370 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I recall a YouTube video showing the 'Clever Girl' sequence with everything stripped from the soundtrack but the music -- anyone have a link or a copy? Really drives home how masterful Goldsmith's treatment of the scene is.I remember that too! Tried searching youtube for it but came up empty; Might have been deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Obviously Ricard lacks the sophistication to appreciate the brilliance of Total Recall!He will have dinner soon...his handlers will flung pig organs into his cage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Obviously Ricard lacks the sophistication to appreciate the brilliance of Total Recall!Fortunately I don't need it, I have 80+ other Goldsmith scores to choose from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Meaningless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Konsidah dat a divorss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I think Total Recall's boring.At last! If nothing else, I'm consistent.I'm the opposite. I'm meh on Total Recall, while First Blood is gold.Quite frankly, is Total Recall really...all that interesting?Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Just saw King Solomon's Mines again and the score holds quite a bit of action cues, all of which made me enjoy the campy moments more. But I was more in awe of the music just being so much in front and center during the film, as opposed to the background approach that Hollywood prefers now. The film may not be masterpiece, a sort of poor man's Indiana Jones, but I enjoyed it a lot, and I hadn't seen it for many years. At least it had a good tone in a spoof kind of way, and the music is definitely one I call one of Jerry's most rollicking fun. It's relentlessly rhythmic and the themes are brilliant. Forced Flight is one cue that for me defines Goldsmith's 80s action sound: addictive, exciting and just a hell of a lot of fun, the kind that only he knew to write for what is admittedly a pretty ridiculous sequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 KSM is one I return to a lot. That theme is one of the most catchy I've ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Remember when Goldsmith used the theme from Executive Decision for the Argo away mission in Nemesis, and made it sound better than it ever did in Executive Decision itself? What a legend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 I chose "yes" because I can't think of any composer whose action music surpassed Goldsmith's, although I'd say Kamen and Williams were and are his equals in that discipline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedfud 38 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Silvestri is no slouch toot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Silvestri is no slouch tootFor whatever reason, with the exception of Lilo and Stitch, I've never been able to get into Silvestri's action music. I enjoy a lot of his more somber/dramatic music, but, at least to me, his action music seems rather forced. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Well, you can't beat PREDATOR or JUDGE DREDD though Silvestri never was on or near the same plane as Goldsmith as far as compositional chops go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Silvestri has made a definite mark with his unique voice, and even though his recent work is more miss than hit, I always get a kick out of his action sound from the 80s and 90s.For me, Eraser (the expanded) is one that is awesome to listen to, from start to finish. And let's also not forget The Mummy Returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,837 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I can't vote but I have realised lately that I find myself listening and enjoying more Goldsmith's action music than Williams'.I can't pinpoint exactly what is it musically that is more appealing to me..Total Recall is one of the best action scores I've ever heard.My favourite also is First Blood and Basic Instict.Maybe it's the ostinatos? the more "accessible" sound? the simpler textures without much decorations (wws runs etc.)? Don't know yet.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I don't get why First Blood is sometimes mentioned more or held in higher regard than the sequels, which each hold quite a bit of brilliant action cues, much more so than the first one.First Blood has never done much for me except for the Rambo theme, and I have to say First Blood: Part II and Rambo III especially are allround excellent scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,837 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I don't get why First Blood is sometimes mentioned more or held in higher regard than the sequels, which each hold quite a bit of brilliant action cues, much more so than the first one.First Blood has never done much for me except for the Rambo theme, and I have to say First Blood: Part II and Rambo III especially are allround excellent scores.maybe you're right.Haven't listened much to them, that's why I wouldn't know.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 3:19 (Horner-Gasm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I don't get why First Blood is sometimes mentioned more or held in higher regard than the sequels, which each hold quite a bit of brilliant action cues, much more so than the first one.First Blood has never done much for me except for the Rambo theme, and I have to say First Blood: Part II and Rambo III especially are allround excellent scores. My probably with parts II and III are mainly down to the cheesy synth patches. Although the Rambo theme's great, for me it's all about dat Rambo ostinato. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 And FIRST BLOOD is an all-around more refined and polished work. It's from '82, after all. Sharkissimo and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I don't get why First Blood is sometimes mentioned more or held in higher regard than the sequels, which each hold quite a bit of brilliant action cues, much more so than the first one.First Blood has never done much for me except for the Rambo theme, and I have to say First Blood: Part II and Rambo III especially are allround excellent scores.My probably with parts II and III are mainly down to the cheesy synth patches. Although the Rambo theme's great, for me it's all about dat Rambo ostinato.Having no problem with the synths, hardly ever in any Goldsmith actually, that's why I prefer them, there's also a lot more emotion in Rambo III.And FIRST BLOOD is an all-around more refined and polished work. It's from '82, after all. Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man -- The Dude. But seriously, maybe it's because I've loved Rambo III (the film) all through my teenage years and becoming so familiar with the score, it's harder for me to prefer the first one with less themes, action, that Goldsmith magic (IMO), also because it was much later I heard it for the first time. I had already discovered and loved Part II before I finally gave First Blood a chance, which is much more suspense than action anyway.So for me it will always be: Rambo III > First Blood: Part II > First Blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I don't get why First Blood is sometimes mentioned more or held in higher regard than the sequels, which each hold quite a bit of brilliant action cues, much more so than the first one.First Blood has never done much for me except for the Rambo theme, and I have to say First Blood: Part II and Rambo III especially are allround excellent scores.My probably with parts II and III are mainly down to the cheesy synth patches. Although the Rambo theme's great, for me it's all about dat Rambo ostinato.Having no problem with the synths, hardly ever in any Goldsmith actually, that's why I prefer them, there's also a lot more emotion in Rambo III.The synths are the general decline in quality post-1983 are big reason why I prefer Goldsmith's earlier scores. I can't stand stuff like THE 13TH WARRIOR. Goldsmith magic = 1962-1983.Also, the terrible mushy recording of RAMBIO III brings it it down a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 The 13th Warrior doesnt have a lot of synth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 True, but it doesn't have a lot going for it either. Just bland, bombastic, epicness, like FIRST KNIGHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 You bastard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Well that's the first time I've heard First Knight being called bland !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 It IS very easy to dismiss these latter scores as rather obvious and simple due to much toned-down orchestration but i feel that's more a young-and-hungry-for-adventure-person's stance that needs to listen to tons of Goldenthal et al. to get that out of the system. The truth is that to arrive at a construction like FIRST KNIGHT or 13TH WARRIOR you must be a hell of a composer just to know how what to leave off and bring to the table. I have heard so many badly-conceived adventure scores that have ten times the complexity but still only a quarter of content of FK & Co.Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man -- The Dude. I am not going out to convince you that Rambo 2&3 are musically inferior scientifically, but they are. More blunt, more leaning on simple effects and in-your-face-values - which could very well be why you like them more.FIRST BLOOD's relative brevity also works in its advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,551 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Jerry Goldsmith: the greatest action composer of all time?Yes. End of. Lock this thread, now. publicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 3:19 (Horner-Gasm)By the way, off-topic but thanks for this !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,207 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 True, but it doesn't have a lot going for it either. Just bland, bombastic, epicness, like FIRST KNIGHT. 13th Warrior is much, much better than I used to give it credit for. I still don't think it's as great as The Mummy, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I can't stand that score (the 13th Warrior, that is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Well, you can't beat PREDATOR or JUDGE DREDD though Silvestri never was on or near the same plane as Goldsmith as far as compositional chops go. He might not be. But he's one of the few composers out there who can compete with Goldsmith's testosterone writing.Not win, mind you.Even some of his newer stuff is strong: Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I can't stand that score (the 13th Warrior, that is).Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 How can one not like this cue? Karol Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I can't stand that score (the 13th Warrior, that is).Why not?What a terrible score! Gave us one of Goldsmith's worst tracks of all time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Thank god for Crichton's bad taste! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Goldsmith would have done an amazing Lord of the Rings: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I always thought of this as PORhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCMjhUhTl5M Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Well, you can't beat PREDATOR or JUDGE DREDD though Silvestri never was on or near the same plane as Goldsmith as far as compositional chops go. He might not be. But he's one of the few composers out there who can compete with Goldsmith's testosterone writing.Not win, mind you.Even some of his newer stuff is strong: KarolSeconded.Zemeckis managed to get the best out of Silvestri. His trio of animated features contain wonderful action cues, especially The Polar Express and Beowulf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 What about A Christmas Carol? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Great track yes, but I did only mention the other two, where action features more prominently. I believe CC only has that one cue, on the score album anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Re: That Christmas Carol trackMeh. It sounds about as generic ye olde orchestra action music as most of today's music sounds like generic blockbuster orchestra/synth music. The most endearing moments aren't even Silvestri's ideas. No style, no flair. Just faceless orchestral music. That aptly describes a lot of Silvestri's works. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 No style, no flair. Just faceless orchestral music. If that was the case, we wouldn't be able to tell it's his.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I honestly don't think I could. Williams, Goldsmith, Horner, Elfman, Thomas Newman (zzzZZZzzzz), hell even Giacchino have a unique musical DNA. I couldn't tell Debney apart from Silvestri if you held a gun to my head. They just sorta...write music that emulates the prevailing musical winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I couldn't tell Debney apart from Silvestri if you held a gun to my head. Now you are really pushing it.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Debney is a great temp track robot so if there's by any chance Silvestri on his plate, the cabbage guy is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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