TownerFan 4,984 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Still, on the A.I. matter, I have a hunch that the inclusion of the 2 songs was something that was "forced" by the producers.John Williams was the producer of that OST, like he is on every one of his OST's for decades.If by 'producer', you mean 'creatively involved', then you are wrong. I don't know any expansion where Williams has been involved in assembling, organizing or otherwise giving any thought to the presentation of the material. That's all the label's work. The 'producer' tag is most likely a contractual obligation because they need him to approve the release, or some other kind of superficial role.Williams' preferred version is almost always the original release, where he is -- indeed -- a "proper" producer.In the interviews conducted by Jay for JWFan, Mike Matessino tells clearly that JW gave his own creative input to both Empire of the Sun and A.I. extended editions. Same happened with Hook. So he's not against this approach per se and he actually cares about these things (even though he's surely not into minutiae we often obsess about). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,529 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Never said he was against it either. Otherwise, he wouldn't approve them. My point is that they're not his preferred presentations. You can't compare the 'producer' role he has on the original releases with the socalled 'producer' role on the expansions.It's like with Elliot Goldenthal. He also came with a litte bit of input on the BATMAN FOREVER expansion, but he prefers albums to be re-arranged for listening. And in THIS case, he told me so himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,984 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 The expanded releases are made mostly for archival/historic preservation and they're aimed mainly toward film music collectors and aficionados, so a different kind of attitude is required for these things in terms of producing and presentation. So in this sense JW likely lets other people decide what is best, giving his own input wherever he feels is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,529 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 The expanded releases are made mostly for archival/historic preservation and they're aimed mainly toward film music collectors and aficionados, so a different kind of attitude is required for these things in terms of producing and presentation. So in this sense JW likely lets other people decide what is best, giving his own input wherever he feels is necessary. I can agree with that extent of involvement. The initiative does not come from Williams himself, and the work in creating and assembling the album is done by the labels. Then he comes in to maybe suggest a thing or two, and give the approval stamp. It's more like an editor proofreading an article. To me, though, it doesn't really qualify as a creative involvement the way we usually apply to 'album producers' of the traditional kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,984 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I simply think he's just peaceful toward these things and he doesn't obsess over it, be an OST album produced by himself or a complete release produced by a specialty label. As he said so many times, his mind is always on the music he's writing at the moment more than into the music he wrote in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,529 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 "Peaceful" is his middle name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I've long since given up being excited about these announcements, as they're almost always about expansions, not premiere releases. But to those who didn't get JAWS 2 the first time around (I hear it's hard to come by), it's no doubt a great opportunity.85 quid here:http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=171952947582&alt=web Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,529 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Ouch. If that's representative of the going rate in the current secondary market, I can understand why it's sought-after. I remember when I got it in the late 90s, it was starting to become a BIT rare, but far from this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Time to pop your copy on eBay before the Intrada release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Time to pop your copy on eBay before the Intrada release? They'll have to pry it out of his cold hands! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,529 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Indeed. Even if the new Intrada has the album program in addition to an expansion (THE FURY-style). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Everyone has a price! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,529 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 It's a deal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I'm guessing Williams signed off on the A.I. expansion (if that's a prerequisite), just to be "nice", but his version of the music was already released in 2001.What about the FYC promo? Surely if the album was his preferred presentation of the score, he wouldn't have allowed a 2-disc arrangement to be presented for consideration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 WB didn't ask permission. This was told by Matessino or Gerhardt on occasion of the LLL release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 This was told by Matessino or Gerhardt on occasion of the LLL release.Passive voice, really?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,378 Posted October 29, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2015 JAWS 2 IS BEING ANNOUNCED MONDAY NIGHT, SHIPPING TUESDAY!!!Nov 3rd release2 of 4 gets a brand new update in this 2cd set featuring the original MCA program plus the complete score and alternates.http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=68772CD SET!!!WOOHOO! Jonesy, Ricard, Not Mr. Big and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Fuck yes!Karol Wojo and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,744 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Still haven't actually heard this one, mostly due to its steep prices on the secondary market. Word of mouth has always been pretty positive though, so count me in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,020 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I've heard it. But haven't got the album. This release is a godsend. It's a really solid score.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I've listened many times, but not on a physical CD because it costs so much on the secondary market, and when I finally bought one on ebay for $40, it turned out to be a fake and not the real deal.This new version can't arrive soon enough!I'm glad it contains the original album program. PLUS alternates, it says! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Noooo! It will devalue my Varese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 The original album program is actually one of JW's better ones. It flows very well.Noooo! It will devalue my Varese.Dracula should be next right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Nooooooooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Fanfuckingtastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Great news for Jaws 2. Great score, great album, can't wait for the new presentation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 It's an excellent score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Hope it sounds okay. I'm getting wary of new expanded releases sounding brighter and boosted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Yeah hopefully it sounds muffled and quiet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 The OST isn't muffled! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 The OST isn't muffled!We are not talking about the OST are we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I am a fan of quiet CDs. Makes it even more involving when the punchy loud bits kick in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I am a fan of quiet CDs. Makes it even more involving when the punchy loud bits kick in.If the CD is quiet then there are no loud bits! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I am a fan of quiet CDs. Makes it even more involving when the punchy loud bits kick in.If the CD is quiet then there are no loud bits!Not true! When there is no quiet, there can be no loud. When there is no loud, there can be no quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Where there is no loud, there is no emotion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 The new Jaws 2 CD will sound just fine, it will not be brickwalled. I promise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 But when it goes from quiet to loud, back to quiet, and then to loud again, and so on... then there is emotion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 You need to use CAPS to get your point across better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I AM A BRICKWALLED CD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 we need a track listThere must be a lot of alternates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 The tracklist will be posted Monday night at the same time it goes up for order.Intrada titles go up at a random time between 7PM EST and 8PM EST, BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,716 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I'm getting one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 But when it goes from quiet to loud, back to quiet, and then to loud again, and so on... then there is emotion!That's not emotion! that's a reflex! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 is this a limited edition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Ofcourse Roger doesn't actually state that it's Jaws 2. Its all speculation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,365 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 We'll its the second score of a 4 film series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 well, humm, it's not even official yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Ofcourse Roger doesn't actually state that it's Jaws 2. Its all speculation Are you freaking serious with that post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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