Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 This season is trying my patience a bit. The latest ep was okay but mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Star Trek: Discovery has been renewed for a third season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,603 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Yay? Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Not yay. I'm tired of this Star Trek in Name Only that still contractually must differ from original canon by 25%. Prime ≠ Canon Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 On the Walking Dead Star Trek Discovery never existed. Except the Star of Discovery was a character on the Walking Dead But if the show never existed then how can she have been the star. ......Norman coordinate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Star Trek fans have moved on to hopes for the new Picard series, which will finally give us a legit take on what's been going on for twenty years! I've heard that Discovery has gotten better, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Finished watching ALL of Star Trek a few days back, so finally I know what all the fuss is about. I do like Discovery better in its second season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, Pieter_Boelen said: Finished watching ALL of Star Trek I feel your pain! Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 The Discovery Enterprise Ncc-1701 is gorgeous. Thats all that matters. It makes the kelvin enterprise look like some incestuous birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 With the two parter still to go I must confess that I have grown more fond of Star Trek: Discovery. After trying for 1,5 seasons to be a Prestige TV, dark and meaningful gritty sci-fi, it has decided to become Star Trek: Agents Of Shield/Doctor Who/Warehouse 13/Fringe/Torchwood. Lots of plot plot plot, twist twist twist, action action action, technobabble storytelling. And cool lensflares! I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 An interesting way of writing the USS Discovery out of the canon, by pretending it didn't exist in the first place (and thus ignoring all the technology that could have made ships more advanced than even the TNG era). Any guesses what time it might end up in? I'm going to guess it might connect to the Picard series. I'd take a series centred around the Enterprise under Pike's command for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 The single biggest reason to look forward to Picard is not Patrick Stewart, but that we're finally (FINALLY) not in the TOS (or earlier) time period for the first time since 2002. It's been 17 years since we had a Trek show or movie where people didn't need to ask themselves how it relates to or changes story established by previous shows or movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 The problem with the new Picard series is that it will need to be at least 25% different from the pre-2005 Treks because of the CVS-Paramount split. It's still just a crummy parallel universe instead of a sequel to official canon, which has been dormant since Enterprise ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, xWxzek said: The problem with the new Picard series is that it will need to be at least 25% different from the pre-2005 Treks because of the CVS-Paramount split. It's still just a crummy parallel universe instead of a sequel to official canon, which has been dormant since Enterprise ended. That 25% different thing has already been debunked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Just now, xWxzek said: No. I think you mean 'yes' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I don't care. I see it how I want to see it because I will not give money to CBS for their shitty wannabe Trek. Don't throw your facts at me. Giftheck and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, xWxzek said: I don't care. I see it how I want to see it because I will not give money to CBS for their shitty wannabe Trek. Don't throw your facts at me. You should be a politician. They use that logic too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Every Star Trek film and episode from 2009 on does not influence, enhance, or improve the pre-existing Trek franchises in any positive way. It's all a legal nightmare intended to deceive the consumer and should be avoided at all costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, xWxzek said: I don't care. I see it how I want to see it [...] Don't throw your facts at me. I mean, it fits either way. See it how you want to see it, I'll see it my way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Woj, CBS owns the TV rights to Star Trek, Paramount only owns the movies. CBS can do what they want with Picard and TNG stuff, provided it isnt exclusive to the 4 TNG movies. Discovery's final solution for itself is interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Please don't say final solution. Quintus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I will say what I damn well please, you greenblooded hobgoblin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, xWxzek said: Please don't say final solution. How does 'last-minute result' sound? Or 'ultimate quick fix'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, Stefancos said: I will say what I damn well please, you greenblooded hobgoblin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Is Star Trek Discovery about holocaust survivors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 There's a lot of traumatized people, but no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Is Star Trek Discovery about holocaust survivors? Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 33 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Is Star Trek Discovery about holocaust survivors? It's about Orville deniers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Don't get political! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 Not another lecture. At least not on the economics of politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Dammit Bones, I'm in no mood to be lectured by you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Is it a thread for people who just discovered Star Trek? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Just now, Bespin said: Is it a thread for poeple who just discovered Star Trek? Nah, that one was made in 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Star Trek For People Who Don't Like Star Trek Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I like keeping gates too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I think if you knew me better you would not accuse me of gatekeeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Brief overview of season 2 Spoiler Started feeling very much like the first season, visually stylish but haphazard sci-fi show with not much subtlety in it's bones, and doing "big, profound" ideas while really writing cheques it cannot cash. Apparently though after about 5 episodes of spending truckloads of money, the two showrunners were fired for "causing a toxic work atmosphere" and Alex Kurtzman of Star Trek (2009)/Transformers/Mission Impossible 3 fame took over production, and the show slowly because to shift it's purpose. It's my personal opinion Kurtzman and his writer's room basically reverse engineered the plot from whatever was already done at that point, helped themselves of whatever bits of the canon they felt they wanted, and retooled this previously Golden Age TV wannabe into, a fastpaced and slick sci-fi action show. Pretty much fully serialized, with a huge epic plot, which in it's style is far more something you would find on a show like Agents Of Shield, Warehouse 13, Fringe, Doctor Who show like that. Network or cable Tv shoes designed to hook you in with plot twists, action, huge drama, very obvious, on the nose dialogue, and clear and distinct characters, who's motivations are mostly governed by whatever the plot needs them to do. The second part of season 2 feels like a Bad Robot Star Trek TV show, with a clear objective, and no qualms of using any trick in the book to get there. It scavanges the canon, because they need to find a way to finally deal with the shows biggest problem. Star Trek: Discovery has always had the problem is taking place 10 years before Star Trek TOS. The other problem was that it never really seemed to know what it wanted to be. Season 2 effectively solves the canon issues caused by the show's very existence. It took 2 seasons and 28 episodes, but finally Discovery did what it should have done from day one, get the hell out of Kirk's time! And perhaps for season 3 it will find out what kinda show it wants to be? 3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Star Trek For People Who Don't Like Star Trek I don't think this is true any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Just now, Disco Stu said: I think if you knew me better you would not accuse me of gatekeeping. It's a good thing I don't know you at all (You gazumped my reply) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Just now, Stefancos said: Brief overview of season 2 Reveal hidden contents Started feeling very much like the first season, visually stylish but haphazard sci-fi show with not much subtlety in it's bones, and doing "big, profound" ideas while really writing cheques it cannot cash. Apparently though after about 5 episodes of spending truckloads of money, the two showrunners were fired for "causing a toxic work atmosphere" and Alex Kurtzman of Star Trek (2009)/Transformers/Mission Impossible 3 fame took over production, and the show slowly because to shift it's purpose. It's my personal opinion Kurtzman and his writer's room basically reverse engineered the plot from whatever was already done at that point, helped themselves of whatever bits of the canon they felt they wanted, and retooled this previously Golden Age TV wannabe into, a fastpaced and slick sci-fi action show. Pretty much fully serialized, with a huge epic plot, which in it's style is far more something you would find on a show like Agents Of Shield, Warehouse 13, Fringe, Doctor Who show like that. Network or cable Tv shoes designed to hook you in with plot twists, action, huge drama, very obvious, on the nose dialogue, and clear and distinct characters, who's motivations are mostly governed by whatever the plot needs them to do. The second part of season 2 feels like a Bad Robot Star Trek TV show, with a clear objective, and no qualms of using any trick in the book to get there. It scavanges the canon, because they need to find a way to finally deal with the shows biggest problem. Star Trek: Discovery has always had the problem is taking place 10 years before Star Trek TOS. The other problem was that it never really seemed to know what it wanted to be. Season 2 effectively solves the canon issues caused by the show's very existence. It took 2 seasons and 28 episodes, but finally Discovery did what it should have done from day one, get the hell out of Kirk's time! And perhaps for season 3 it will find out what kinda show it wants to be? I don't think this is true any longer. Oh not Discovery. The JJ movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: Oh not Discovery. The JJ movies. I personally see them as a gateway in to Trek overall. Or a basic starter set. (Though I think Beyond is the most 'Trek'-like of the three, I can see where you're coming from here, since there was no real space exploration or new worlds in 2009 or STID) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I like the 1st and 3rd JJ Treks, but they totally are kind of Trek for people who traditionally didn't enjoy Trek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Just now, Disco Stu said: I like the 1st and 3rd JJ Treks, but they totally are kind of Trek for people who traditionally didn't enjoy Trek. I can't really see that myself, but maybe that's because, like I said, I saw it as a gateway in. I wouldn't have seen TOS without it, and I might not have refreshed on TNG either (which I did watch growing up). I suppose it's different things to different people. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Just now, Gistech said: I personally see them as a gateway in to Trek overall. Or a basic starter set. Yes, this is probably true. I'm mostly thinking of the people I knew who already had an opinion about Trek (the most common one I'd hear is that Trek is boring). Then JJ comes along and makes it ZIPPY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 If Leonard Nimoy is there, it’s a Star Trek. Period. Giftheck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 917 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Just now, Bespin said: If Leonard Nimoy is there, it’s a Star Trek. Period. What about Bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Disco Stu said: I like the 1st and 3rd JJ Treks, but they totally are kind of Trek for people who traditionally didn't enjoy Trek. They're Trek for a new generation though. Which must surely be the point, ultimately. Plenty of original Trek fans didn't warm up to TNG at all. But a new generation embraced it. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Gistech said: What about Bill? Buffalo Bill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,091 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Quintus said: It's about Orville deniers. Are you saying there are people who prefer Star Trek? Giftheck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Millions, most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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