MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: FALLOUT (2018) - Film & Score

[Damien F 1,780]

https://twitter.com/chrismcquarrie/status/671368435650179072

Christopher McQuarrie has announced he will direct the next Mission Impossible movie, which pretty much guarantees the return of Joe Kraemer

[Jay 40,305]

Great news!

[Matt C 482]

YAY!

[Cerebral Cortex 3,358]

Absolutely loved Joe Kraemer's MI score. Very glad to hear we'll probably be getting another one!

[crocodile 8,739]

Sweet!

Karol

[BloodBoal 7,541]

[Damien F 1,780]

Honestly, for a second, I thought McQuarrie was announcing he has signed up for the next Bond movie due to that MI6 hashtag. That itself would have been great, but the prospect of Kraemer handling the Bond theme in the same way he handled the Mission Impossible theme would have been phenomenal.

[Jay 40,305]

Agreed. One of my first thoughts when I first heard the MI5 OST was that he'd do a killer Bond score. Some of the moments in the score are actually quite Bondian.

[Damien F 1,780]

Yeah, especially that huge brassy rendition of the MI theme at the end of Meet The IMF.

[crocodile 8,739]

I can't wait for yet another MI score from Joe Kraemer. Lovely music with lovely film mix. And, yeah, lovely guy.

Karol

[BloodBoal 7,541]

[Jay 40,305]

It's about time they brought back a female castmember for more than one film; Seems they keep bringing back the male castmembers (Rhames, Simon Pegg, Jeremy Renner) but never the females.

It'd be cool if, for a change, this film focuses most of its running time on the TEAM aspect, with full support of a home base, instead of mostly being about Cruise off his own, cut off from the main IMF, eventually getting help by the end.

Actually, it'd be cool if the story involved splitting a big cast up to do two heists / missions at the same time, with Cruise leading one and Renner leading the other. And bring back more cast members - not just Ferguson, Rhames, Pegg, and Renner, but also bring back Maggie Q, Paula Patton, and whoever else wasn't killed off or revealed to be a traitor

[crocodile 8,739]

Sweet. I just watched the film again right now on Blu-ray and it's just as enjoyable as during my two cinema trips.

There was a lot of talk about Charlize Theron and how she was an equal to Tom Hardy's Max in Fury Road. But we're forgetting that Ferguson fulfills the same role in Rogue Nation. She's not a damsel in distress, nor is she another generic love interest. And she saves Ethan twice in this film. So that's another strong female lead in an action movie that isn't overshadowed by male counterpart. In fact, she sort of eclipses Cruise.

It was also interesting to know they didn't have a finished script, or even a plot set in stone, while shooting. They had locations, some setpieces. But a lot of the plot was made up on the fly. Some of the lines were improvised by actors on set. Quite surprising, given how coherent this film feels.

Karol

[Jay 40,305]

I liked the film, but its not coherent. In fact, its quite obvious they were making it up as they went!

[BloodBoal 7,541]

[crocodile 8,739]

If you're talking about the logical holes, then sure. But then, this is a Mission: Impossible film and they are all about style over substance. As are Bond films.

But what I'm saying is that it flows beautifully and is very well paced. I've seen it four times now and it's constantly entertaining all the way through.

Karol

[Jay 40,305]

Well, I agree. It's very entertaining, and very well paced. I enjoyed the film very much, and consider it the best MI film since the original.

But nothing about the plot holds up under scrutiny, and the story goes in directions that aren't as exciting as they should have been.

But, as I said, I still like it.

[crocodile 8,739]

Out of curiosity, what parts aren't "as exciting as they should have been"?

Karol

[BloodBoal 7,541]

If you're talking about the logical holes, then sure. But then, this is a Mission: Impossible film and they are all about style over substance. As are Bond films.

But what I'm saying is that it flows beautifully and is very well paced. I've seen it four times now and it's constantly entertaining all the way through.

I wasn't referring to plot holes. I was referring to the pace, and the progression of the plot. It's not all over the place, but it's still not perfect. Two thirds into the film, when you should feel it's all building to the climax, the film actually starts losing steam, and the final action sequence really feels anticlimactic (especially compared to the action scenes that came before). You can feel they weren't sure how to bring the film to its conclusion.

[crocodile 8,739]

If you're talking about the logical holes, then sure. But then, this is a Mission: Impossible film and they are all about style over substance. As are Bond films.

But what I'm saying is that it flows beautifully and is very well paced. I've seen it four times now and it's constantly entertaining all the way through.

I wasn't referring to plot holes. I was referring to the pace, and the progression of the plot. It's not all over the place, but it's still not perfect. Two thirds into the film, when you should feel it's all building to the climax, the film actually starts losing steam, and the final action sequence really feels anticlimactic (especially compared to the action scenes that came before). You can feel they weren't sure how to bring the film to its conclusion.

Well, I never had this sort of impression.

Karol

[Jay 40,305]

Out of curiosity, what parts aren't "as exciting as they should have been"?

Karol

I'll quote myself:

The biggest flaws are that they don't use some of the premises they set up to their logical next step: For example, the whole premise of these movies is that these guys are a special task force, with very advanced technology, and ultimate training to tackle any sort of circumstances they encounter. So when the IMF gets shut down, or they are otherwise are hunted instead of being normally employed (which seems to happen in almost all of the entries), shouldn't the idea be that now they have to try to survive / beat the bad guys / prove their innocence WITHOUT their normal gadgets and stuff - to have to really struggle to find ways to win? But no, here Hunt just goes to his secret bunker and has his mask-maker (how did they get Attlee's voice anyway?) and whatever other stuff they have. Or another one is that they build up The Syndicate as the "anti-IMF", a group of people with the exact same training and tech / resources as them, only working towards nefarious means instead of good. But this basically resulted in them being up against 1 bad guy and his generic goons who just have guns, like any other film. They never get tricked by masks or have their own stuff used against them or anything (other than the early fake briefing). Stuff like that.

More: http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=24637&p=1156272

[crocodile 8,739]

Ethan breaks into this abandoned safehouse boat. And he knows who Attlee is.

But I agree about the Syndicate set up and not much payoff. Same flaw that Spectre suffers from.

Karol

[Jay 40,305]

Exactly. It should have been EXCITING and SCARY that the IMF was going up against an "Anti-IMF". This should have resulted in different kinds of action and spy scenes than we had seen before. But it was just more of the same stuff.

And they've done the "Ethan cut off from the support of the IMF" in all the previous movies, too.

That's why I hope MI6 is just a true TEAM film the whole time.

[crocodile 8,739]

Agreed.

I sometimes feel like Inception was much more of a classic Mission: Impossible film than those.

Karol

[BloodBoal 7,541]

Here is what I want for MI6:

[Jay 40,305]

Tom Cruise Salary Halts Mission: Impossible 6 Pre-Production

[Brónach 1,307]

That's ridiculous.

[Matt C 482]

5 hours ago, Brónach said:

That's ridiculous.

 

I can see both sides of the argument. Cruise's camp can argue since the last two MI films were hugely successful (and consistently profitable for the studio), he deserves a pay raise. But I can also see Paramount's reasoning on wanting to keep the budget in check, considering the terrible year they've had.

[Brónach 1,307]

If he cares about the film, a lot of that monie could be redirected to other areas of the film itself.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,488]

Mission Impossible 6 is not a Marvel superhero movie, so it's production is one of extreme financial risk.

[Brónach 1,307]

It's an odd film series, when you think about it. A spin-off that gains it's own life and goes around in circles without establishing a clear tone and style but not necessarily getting worse over time.

[Richard P 4,375]

I think anyone in Cruise's career stage is massively overpaid for what they do. However, the other way of looking at it is that Paramount will make hundreds of millions of $$ from this film, and Cruise will argue that he is a primary factor in that, hence he should see more of the studio's profit.

 

1 hour ago, Stefancos said:

Mission Impossible 6 is not a Marvel superhero movie, so it's production is one of extreme financial risk.

 

But it's still a huge franchise. I'd say it has a rather marginal risk, particularly if they get all the same key cast to return.

 

Jack Reacher seems a far bigger risk to me, as it may have the biggest of A-list actors, but it's not a known franchise.

[Koray Savas 2,254]

Cruise has hit a very nice Renaissance at this point in his career. I've enjoyed a lot of the actions films he's been doing. 

[Disco Stu 15,504]

Rogue Nation was less successful than Ghost Protocol, despite being a much better movie IMO.  In fact Rogue Nation was downright disappointing in terms of American box office, saved by a great international take.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,488]

Ghost Protocol is a better film then Rogue Nation, which is fine but lacking something.

[Jay 40,305]

I never got the love of Ghost Protocol so many have.  Maybe I should give it a second chance

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,488]

It's somehow more light-hearted then the others in how it's directed. Maybe because Brad Bird cut his teeth on animation first.

[Luke Skywalker 2,015]

Isnt cruise one of the main producers of the film?

 

its strange.

 

 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,488]

Producers get payed too.

 

 

[Luke Skywalker 2,015]

yeah...but they have to pay first....or those are the executive producers?

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,488]

It really depends. The term "producer" is an extremely broad one in Hollywood.

 

I'm sure a star like Cruise expects to be well paid for his services.

[Luke Skywalker 2,015]

Yeah but as producer he is endorsing the film...

 

with his actions he is doing the contrary...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,488]

He's producing the film, and in return gets paid by Paramount in some capacity. Either an upfront fee, a percentage of the profits or get to make a film project of his chosing.

 

It's a businesses after all

[Luke Skywalker 2,015]

definately

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,488]

5 hours ago, Richard Penna said:

 

Jack Reacher seems a far bigger risk to me, as it may have the biggest of A-list actors, but it's not a known franchise.

 

A Jack Reacher film can be made for a lot less money though then a Mission Impossible film

[Disco Stu 15,504]

It's the British character actors that push Rogue Nation over the top for me.

 

I love everything in the movie to do with Sean Harris, Simon McBurney, and of course Tom Hollander, one of the best and most versatile actors working today. Also, as a huge fan of the British TV show "Rev." I was delighted to see McBurney and Hollander reunited in a Mission: Impossible movie of all things.

[Jay 40,305]

the salary dispute that put the Paramount Pictures and Skydance Media franchise sequel on hold has been resolved. Mission: Impossible 6 is now set to begin production in the spring of 2017 with Christopher McQuarrie, who previously helmed Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation, once again writing and directing

[Jay 40,305]

Mission: Impossible 6 Release Set for Summer 2018

[toothless 987]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/mission-impossible-6-eyeing-paris-shoot-971264

[Jay 40,305]

Man I can't wait for Kraemer's score to this!