#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 My phone isn't any heavier fully charged up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 "It has absolutely no weight!" "But it cuts like steel." "Let me see. We are now at 150,000 times normal magnification. It's astonishing. This material doesn't correspond to anything on the periodic table!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 I think in Episode 8, Chewie will take his mask off and Han will be underneath. "I thought Wookie's smelt bad...on the outside." Then cut to Max Rebo on the drums; Ba dum tsss. Though that would be a rip-off of the scene from ROTJ when Chewie took his mask off to reveal Vader underneath, who took his mask off to reveal a Jawa underneath, who took his mask off to reveal Yoda, who says "Chewie is the path to the dark side. Chewie leads to Vader, Vader leads to Jawa's, and Jawa's... lead to me." Apparently the scene was cut from the Russian version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,644 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 I understand the desire for callbacks but the scene where Finn says "I'm Luke Skywalker and I'm here to rescue you" was a bit much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 12 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: I think in Episode 8, Chewie will take his mask off and Han will be underneath. "I thought Wookie's smelt bad...on the outside." Then cut to Max Rebo on the drums; Ba dum tsss. Though that would be a rip-off of the scene from ROTJ when Chewie took his mask off to reveal Vader underneath, who took his mask off to reveal a Jawa underneath, who took his mask off to reveal Yoda, who says "Chewie is the path to the dark side. Chewie leads to Vader, Vader leads to Jawa's, and Jawa's... lead to me." Apparently the scene was cut from the Russian version. "Let's do some drills." "This doesn't make a lick of sense." Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,353 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I suppose it has been posted before but I just watched it and finally someone is talking sense! Indeed, roaming the internet, it is clear that the rebel group is slowly but surely expanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 So you believe The Force Awakens is inferior to the Prequels, Alex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I think The Force Awakens is better than Jedi. There's the one that's excellent, and then Star Wars and Force Awakens, which are enjoyable and charismatic but flawed, and then the others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 It just didn't leave an impression on me. While I'm curious to see Mark Hamill in the sequel, I don't really care about any of these new characters. See, at least with the prequels, you were curious to see how everything fell into place that led to the universe we knew from the original movie. With this new trilogy, I just don't give a shit. It doesn't feel like there's a reason for it to exist except to make more sequels. A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I didn't watch the video, partly because the uber nerd sound of the commentary was immediately off putting and I have zero affinity with those sorts (apparently Alexcremers does, who knew?), but does the guy who made it really believe the prequels are superior to TFA? Not Mr. Big and Dixon Hill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 More to the point. Does Alex believe it? After The Voice, that would just be the nail in his coffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Nobody cares. Besides, the prequels are in metaphorical landfill now. They're obsolete. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,353 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I just liked Elliot And E.T's post! I did like Finn and Oscar Isaac's character (not enough exploited though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Nice deflection Alex... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 35 minutes ago, Quintus said: I didn't watch the video, partly because the uber nerd sound of the commentary was immediately off putting and I have zero affinity with those sorts (apparently Alexcremers does, who knew?), but does the guy who made it really believe the prequels are superior to TFA? It's funny that he complains about plot holes of all things in TFA while saying the prequels are better, because, well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,353 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I recognized a lot of what he was saying though. That doesn't mean I have to agree with every single thing. He isn't a fan of the Prequels either but at least they were a little more creative. Don't you guys understand English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 You seemed surprised though that there are people who disliked TFA and who prefer the Prequels. There was always gonna be a large group of Lucas devotees who would prefer those. They have defended them for more then 15 years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,353 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Again, he doesn't like the Prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 They're Saturday matinee popcorn space operas for kids that have been built up as something greater by people who refuse to grow up and accept this fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 8 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: He isn't a fan of the Prequels either but at least they were a little more creative. I recognize this, but I also recognize that in the areas of plot holes and characters making sense that he mentions, well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,353 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 That doesn't mean other Star Wars movies are perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I've always admired the ambitious nature of the Prequels. And it can't be denied they are rather different then the OT. Lucas didn't just want to do an updated version of those, which is essentially what TFA is. But while ambition is important, so is execution. And Lucas failed in almost every conceivable way in that for me. Brónach and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 20 minutes ago, E.T. and Elliot said: They're Saturday matinee popcorn space operas for kids that have been built up as something greater by people who refuse to grow up and accept this fact. Yeah the best kids movies were always about taxation on trade routes and dreary dull disputes in the senate. Not for the first time do I call BS on this cop out of an excuse. Dixon Hill and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 The trade route crap was never the point, was it? The story is pretty simple. Peaceful world is invaded, the good guys rescue the Queen and they are stranded on another planet, where they meet a boy with superpowers. They all team up to defeat the bad guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 2 minutes ago, E.T. and Elliot said: The story is pretty simple. In theory, yes it is. Except George Lucas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Its a simple story, told in a tedious and convoluted manner. The political criticism on the Bush administration Lucas put in the third film feels more hamfisted then ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I'm saddened that the ""new"" stuff that Lucas tried became so automatically associated with his terrible execution. You see people literally saying the only options are something like Force Awakens or something like Phantom Menace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Who is saying that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 2 hours ago, E.T. and Elliot said: It just didn't leave an impression on me. While I'm curious to see Mark Hamill in the sequel, I don't really care about any of these new characters. See, at least with the prequels, you were curious to see how everything fell into place that led to the universe we knew from the original movie. With this new trilogy, I just don't give a shit. It doesn't feel like there's a reason for it to exist except to make more sequels. What if the prequels were made first? After watching TPM no one would care what happened afterwards. The only interesting characters got killed. I loved TFA, but I do agree that there really isn't a reason to make these sequels. Star Wars is Anakin's story and that ends with ROTJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,353 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 1 hour ago, Stefancos said: I've always admired the ambitious nature of the Prequels. And it can't be denied they are rather different then the OT. Lucas didn't just want to do an updated version of those, which is essentially what TFA is. But while ambition is important, so is execution. And Lucas failed in almost every conceivable way in that for me. Everybody knows I'm all for execution, but being already familiar with J.J.'s execution, I realized in advance that I probably was going to be entertained but I wasn't going to be satisfied. J.J.'s previous movies didn't do that either. The striking likeness of the story didn't help matters either. What also comes into play is that I've been Star Warsed out for quite some time now. I'm no longer the target audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Your loss.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,353 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Poor reply. J.J. failed to revive the Star Wars that once was in me (most likely due to all the critique you have heard). Maybe Johnson will do a better job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Like you said, you weren't the target audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,353 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Exactly! ROTJ and The Prequels made sure of that. However, a more interesting execution and story could have changed all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Really? I seriously can't see you enjoying a movie of this kind. Maybe I'm wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,353 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I could repeat what I have said but I think I made my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 #StarWarsLives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,844 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Ok, first of all Happy New Year (this is my first post in 2016). Just got back from Star Wars. Unfortunately, it has confirmed to me that I've lost any interest whatsoever in Star Wars and I more than likely won't be seeing the next installments of the story (as I've lost interest in Harry Potter and didn't see the last 2 films, same with Lord of the Rings and didn't see the Hobbit trilogy, same with other franchises). These franchises keep confirming (at least to me), than when you have a certain thematic material it's exhausted after a certain point, and you can't do anything new or extraordinary with it. Star Wars became what I feared: a cheap daily soap-opera where the surprises are no surprises any more and lose their impact (i see it already, Fin being Lando's son, and Rey being Luke's daughter, thus Ren's cousin or maybe Han's and leia's daughter. The thing is that any suprise at this point has zero impact to me). I've read all over the internet that the film felt like a remake of the first movie, but i had no idea that it would be a remake in that LARGE degree!! (from, the very first moment they hid the plans in the robot and left it in the desert) There was not a single moment that I cared for any of the charcaters (not even for Han Solo's death which i had predicted half hour before that scene because the film felt like a remake - so that we would have the similar scene with Vader-Ben Kenobi, and the old good guy killed by the bad). About Kyle Ren: an angry teenager like, who doesn't evoke any awe, terror or even respect. (perhaps that was the idea? If yes, then I take it back from the negatives of the film.) The positive thing I noticed is that they didn't go completely CGI, and that was good comparing to the prequels. Anyway, the bottomline is this: The original trilogy was a milestone in film history bringing something new and combining it with the old (reminding of old westerns/pirate movies). This film is just another sci-fi/action movie, that's rehashing the same story, therefore totally un-needed except for the need to bring money to the already hurt film industry. So, that's it for me, I hope you enjoy the rest of your journey.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Quote The original trilogy was a milestone in film history bringing something new and combining it with the old (reminding of old westerns/pirate movies). Come on, maybe Empire is close to a milestone but the other two? I don't think so. What the hell were you expecting anyways? Your childhood is gone, you'll never experience the same awe than we you heard Vader say he was Luke father. And besides, if that were to be done nowadays, it would be cheesy as fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 It possibly will be.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 1,844 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 6 minutes ago, Michael said: Come on, maybe Empire is close to a milestone but the other two? I don't think so. What the hell were you expecting anyways? Your childhood is gone, you'll never experience the same awe than we you heard Vader say he was Luke father. And besides, if that were to be done nowadays, it would be cheesy as fuck. I didn't expect anything. That's why I was insisting beforehand, that any Star Wars movie from now on is unneeded. Been there, done that. (also, that I am not a child any more and I'm grown up, doesn't mean I am not surprised by movies. I am. But, it's usually old movies that I haven't seen. The last I can remember was ROCKY, and I was extremely negatively prejudiced about that because I don't like sports of any kind and I thought I wouldn't like any sport movie. But I loved this movie so much, and now it has become a yearly staple) By the way, can anyone guide me to reviews by highly esteemed critics? I'm curious to see what they say, and don't know where to look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/star-wars-episode-vii---the-force-awakens-2015 filmmusic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 11 minutes ago, Michael said: Come on, maybe Empire is close to a milestone but the other two? I don't think so. Well maybe not Jedi but Star Wars? Yes, absolutely! 3 minutes ago, filmmusic said: By the way, can anyone guide me to reviews by highly esteemed critics? Well I know a lot here put some faith in critics which is fair enough .....personally I wouldn't wipe my arse on a critic's tongue, the idea that of them being esteemed is as offensive as it is laughable as it is a contradiction for me. Unless the critic has a practical history in their chosen field of critique. So I can't help sorry man, ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Why do so many people hate and disregard professional critics? I would put more stock in their opinion then that of the average YouTube critic. Mark Kermode, for example, knows his movies. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Well for me Stefan I'm only disregarding the idea of someone being a professional critic, not their opinion or their praise or criticisms, etc. Using Mark Kermode, yes he knows his movies and I'm interested in his opinion as Mark Kermode but not his opinion under the guise of a professional critic. The problem with Kermode though is that he used to get too excited all the time with Ewan McGregor's cock in Trainspotting and go on and on about it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I prefer a professional critic, as he is someone who can atleast be held to somekind of standards since they get paid for the job. And can be held accountable. An amateur critic might as well be a guy down the pub, complaining about the government and all those bloody foreigners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Hey that's fair enough man, it's just a concept I've never gelled with ....plus payment is unfortunately no guarantee of a receiving a quality or professional service. I know what you mean though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 3 minutes ago, steb74 said: ....plus payment is unfortunately no guarantee of a receiving a quality or professional service. It is with a good quality Escort Servic....never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Ha ...you make a good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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