Jay 37,456 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Enjoy! http://scoringsessions.com/2016/02/29/john-williams-scores-star-wars-the-force-awakens/ http://scoringsessions.com/sessions/24558 Incanus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Very nice! Do you think they're going over Finn's theme on this particular photo? Like Dudamel is marking the rythm with his palms before getting to actually conduct it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,400 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,803 Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 It says William Ross was co-orchestrator. Bummer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarpia 132 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 The film credits stated clearly that orchestrations were by John Williams and William Ross. No wonder! With all that re-writing and long and short versions, anyone could use a bit of help. Really nice photos. I cannot wait for more footage from the sessions in the blu-ray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 These are beautifully lit and photographed. It looks like they were shot on film with diffusion on the lens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,844 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 It's been known forever that William Ross helped to both orchestrate and conduct. Why is it a bad thing in either case? Is it bad when Conrad Pope does all the orchestrations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,073 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Yeah, Williams has been using orchestrators for as long as he's been writing for films...and it's impossible to pick out by ear which cues were orchestrated by whom, since his sketches and collaboration process leaves very little room for the orchestrators to change the final sound. They're there to help complete the legwork in a timely fashion, not to significantly affect the way the score sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,723 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Thanks for the link Jay! 20 minutes ago, Datameister said: Yeah, Williams has been using orchestrators for as long as he's been writing for films...and it's impossible to pick out by ear which cues were orchestrated by whom, since his sketches and collaboration process leaves very little room for the orchestrators to change the final sound. They're there to help complete the legwork in a timely fashion, not to significantly affect the way the score sounds. Be prepared for a lengthy discussion on John Williams' ability to orchestrate and people's knowing comments on Angela Morley, Conrad Pope and John Neufeld. And then of course detractors and defenders going into a brawl of words on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 So Williams' sketches are complete, there's nothing embellished by anyone else? He doesn't write piano songs that someone else arranges for orchestra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,723 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Just now, TheGreyPilgrim said: So Williams' sketches are complete, there's nothing embellished by anyone else? He doesn't write piano songs that someone else arranges for orchestra? Stop pouting all the time TGP! It's John Williams forum! Joy is what we live for! The joy of music! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 But is it really HIS music with all these orchestrators involved? Does anyone have any insight into how his sketching process works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 8 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said: It says William Ross was co-orchestrator. Bummer! You seriously didn't know that? That would be weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,723 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 2 hours ago, TheGreyPilgrim said: But is it really HIS music with all these orchestrators involved? Does anyone have any insight into how his sketching process works? Well he mostly hums and sometimes whistles and the orchestrator takes down his musical musings and takes it from there. Or so I hear on the interwebs. Surely that can't be false information spread by malicious people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,073 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I hear John Williams can't even hold a pitch...the orchestrators just have to guess at what notes he's humming at them! No, in all seriousness, for anyone reading who's not aware, Williams' sketches are very detailed and complete. They're just compressed down onto fewer staves with a lot of shorthand. It's a format that's quicker to write in, but the information is all there. Composers vary in the ways they use orchestrators, but Williams knows what he wants the orchestra to do. He just doesn't usually have time to write it all out formally on the conductor's score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,583 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 No pictures of John's brother Don at the timpani. But hey -- I saw him in the Oscar pit this year! Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,803 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 10 hours ago, Stefancos said: You seriously didn't know that? That would be weird. It was announced that Williams was orchestrating himself the TFA score, a thing that has never been mentioned out as a bonus thing, like this one was. William Ross was supposedly there because of Williams's back issues (ie. "heart"). (He is no traditional Williams orchestrator either) if Williams had not been ill Ross would not have had any relation with the film. And since no other orchestrator was hired (not even Pope) i would had assumed that TWA was "Music composed, orchestrated and conducted by John Williams" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Yes. But it was reported many many months ago that Ross was hired as a orchestrator and conductor. And he's credited as such in the film and on the OST. Of you really didn't know that at this point then you haven't been paying attention. I would dare anyone to point out a track that was conducted by Ross rather then Williams. It's completely irrelevant IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,803 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 well...i forgot to have read that he was an orchestrator. I dont care about his conducting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 So now do you like TFA less then before you found out? Or does it explain maybe why the score isnt as good as you wanted it to be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Right from the start, when I first heard TFA, I thought something sounded off. At first, I thought it was because of the LA players, but now I realize it was because Ross orchestrated the damn thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 He probably wrote most of it too. Like Chamber Of Secrets, which was mostly done by Ross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Yep. Rey's theme never sounded Williams-y to me, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 No wonder Ennio Morricone won, and won bigtime! And taunted Williams in his speech! He knew! Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 It's Morricone's mob ties. He set everything in motion from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,803 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 48 minutes ago, Stefancos said: So now do you like TFA less then before you found out? Or does it explain maybe why the score isnt as good as you wanted it to be? No. I just liked the idea of Williams 100% officially orchestrating one of his big scores at age 84. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 It's 100% irrelevant in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 38 minutes ago, BloodBoal said: Yep. Rey's theme never sounded Williams-y to me, anyway. Serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 This is Bloodboal! Geez Lee, you are slipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Bear in mind much of the BloodBoal character and that subculture was cultivated in Tolkiensville. I purposefully avoided that flavour of banter which you grew to know and love so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 True. I barely visit the Tolkiens threads now..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I don't even know what this running "Alvar" joke means other than I *think* it's BloodBoal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Alvar is BloodBoal's first name. Just like Lee is yours...Quintus. Oh, and he's AliceBrallice's brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 Alvar wasn't invented as a sort of pseudo Tolkien nickname? Sounds like a made up Elf name, like Figwit. Quintus - comfortably on the clique boundaries these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 It's a good Swedish name! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 I'm still none the wiser about it. Which is fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 No reason to bother at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 3 hours ago, Stefancos said: True. I barely visit the Tolkiens threads now..... Barely anyone does. It's a ghost town there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,723 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 9 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said: No. I just liked the idea of Williams 100% officially orchestrating one of his big scores at age 84. He orchestrated it himself and as usual he had assisting staff of orchestrators. What is the huge deal about this? Apart from his concert work Williams usually employs orchestrators to facilitate the process of getting the music ready on time for the recording sessions. The usual suspects these days are Eddie Karam and Conrad Pope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 There is no huge deal. Never was there a bigger nitpicker on JWFan who is chronically sensitive to (and vocal of) filmic occurrences which didn't align immaculately with his own ideals of how they should be done. Just scroll past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 At least John Williams appears to be anatomically correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,583 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 55 minutes ago, Quintus said: Just scroll past. For me, any visit to JWFAN always consists of 90% rapid scrolling -- it's a good exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,803 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I had never seen anounced that Williams would be orchestrating any score before. I thought this score was something special. That's it. Move along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Didn't he orchestrate The Book Thief on his own? And apparently...that score sucked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,723 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 12 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Didn't he orchestrate The Book Thief on his own? And apparently...that score sucked! Well I beg to disagree but hey I am just a fanboy. Also Lincoln seems to have been also entirely orchestrated by Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 I was just paraphrasing Koray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,499 Posted March 2, 2016 Share Posted March 2, 2016 Seems? If it's not clearly specified on an album we don't know. I made a very fast round trip for my "arrangements & orchestrations" page for my websitr and found only two case on filmtracks where Jw seems really credited as the arranger : JFK and Schindler's list. I didn't read all the booklets of the Cd of my collection yet. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,456 Posted March 2, 2016 Author Share Posted March 2, 2016 Arranging is a completely different thing altogether than orchestrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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