lordskylark 1 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 What is the link to the message board or email or whatever that you can contact the guy that was in charge of working with Shore to compile the complete recordings? I just want to ask if they can post the original cue sheets of the recording sessions with a list of ALL of the cues (their slate titles plus original cue title- for both the theathrical and the follow-up EE sessions)Thanks,~Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 I doubt they'll do that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 I doubt anyone would *want* that!How does that enhance your listening pleasures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 How does that enhance your listening pleasures?I'm wondering the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 The scoring session were so chaotic (controlled chaos, but chaos nevertheless) that I doubt there's a definite list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 It would be impossible for most of the music, since the choral and vocal parts were recorded completely separatly from the orchestral score.Such a list would be unintelligable for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 I doubt anyone would *want* that!I would. How does that enhance your listening pleasures?It wouldn't, but I have a slate number fetish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 It would be impossible for most of the music, since the choral and vocal parts were recorded completely separatly from the orchestral score.The vocal parts, yes. But didn't they make it a point to record the choir along with the orchestra, unlike common practice? I think I've read that somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 I seriously doubt it.There would be no reason to do so, and it would make mixing the score a lot more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 As far as I am aware the choir was always recorded separately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 There's even footage of seperate choir recordings on the FotR EE DVD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 18, 2006 Share Posted November 18, 2006 HA, I was right, Marian was wrong, the balance of the Universe has been restored!@ Marian: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordskylark 1 Posted November 19, 2006 Author Share Posted November 19, 2006 Sorry... The question was not whether anyone else wanted it... or what they assumed the answer would be...The question was - how can I contact that person? I know there was a forum or an email that people were able to ask him questions.Thanks,~Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 D'oh.I guess what I remember about the "no overdubbing" (or whatever) decision was related only to recording the orchestra as a whole, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted November 19, 2006 Share Posted November 19, 2006 Sorry... The question was not whether anyone else wanted it... or what they assumed the answer would be...The question was - how can I contact that person? I know there was a forum or an email that people were able to ask him questions.Thanks,~AndyI believe that would be the MovieMusic.com forums.Or send him an e-mail via the adress he mentioned on FSM's TTT preview podcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordskylark 1 Posted September 10, 2010 Author Share Posted September 10, 2010 I am curious, has anyone attempted to make some sort of complete list of all known cues from all three LOTR movies that are not present in the Complete Recordings (regardless if they are alternates, properly edited, etc)? (including the theatrical edition, extended edition, from video games, original soundtracks, dvd menus & documentaries, etc?)Thanks,Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 I am curious, has anyone attempted to make some sort of complete list of all known cues from all three LOTR movies that are not present in the Complete Recordings (regardless if they are alternates, properly edited, etc)? (including the theatrical edition, extended edition, from video games, original soundtracks, dvd menus & documentaries, etc?)I might attempt this after listening to the 'rarities'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 that would be interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 11, 2010 Share Posted September 11, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 deluxed editions of the OST contain somethings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 deluxed editions of the OST contain somethingsIs Farewell to Lorien Two Towers Limited Edition version different from the one in FOTR CR ? (Apart from the fact that it is certainly shorter (being the theatrical version of that cue)). Because that's the only "additionnal" music I can think of in these Deluxe Editions (I don't know what's included in the DVDs of these editions, though)Farewell to Lorien track on the Limited Edition of TTT soundtack is comprised of the actual FotR EE music for the extended Farewell to Lorien scene which is edited together with the Diminishment of the Elves theme from the earlier scene where Aragorn visits his mother's grave in Rivendell. Both are on the FotR Complete Recordings. Other than this track, which itself is not new music anymore, the Limited Editions do not offer any extra music as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 In fact they offer less music!"The Black Gate Is Closed" and I think " The Uruk Hai" are truncated on this release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 It was not announced in any way, nor is it mentioned in the Limited Edition CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 P.S. : What sources for LOTR unreleased music exist, apart from the EE DVDs and BFME video games ?Some previously unused and alternate cues are present in the 'Return of the King - Live to Projection' score. Most were not recorded at the sessions, but I believe a few were. While interesting, they were not substantial enough to make it to the rarities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 isnt that unused ROTK credits song from the deluxe ost dvd or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted September 12, 2010 Share Posted September 12, 2010 isnt that unused ROTK credits song from the deluxe ost dvd or something?Ah yes there is the performance of Use Well the Days on the RotK Limited Edition soundtrack DVD that we discussed a few pages ago in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 23, 2010 Share Posted September 23, 2010 I am curious, has anyone attempted to make some sort of complete list of all known cues from all three LOTR movies that are not present in the Complete Recordings (regardless if they are alternates, properly edited, etc)? (including the theatrical edition, extended edition, from video games, original soundtracks, dvd menus & documentaries, etc?)I might attempt this after listening to the 'rarities'.I'll be making a start on this shortly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I have just finished combing Doug's book for every scrap of cue names and slate numbers, and here is the result of my work:ROTK:The Grace of Undómiel/Minas Tirith (602)The End of All Things (926)TTT:Samwise The Brave (9a)FOTR:The Shire [m4]Many Meetings (m55)Cave Troll/Mithril Vest/The Second Hall (m94, m95, m95)Khazad-Dum (m96)The Fighting Uruk-Hai/The River Anduin (m120) enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 While I understand the meticulousness of your efforts, does it really matter if we do not know the slate numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 The ROTK numbering refers to date of composition (602 - June 2nd) and not to the position of a piece within the film.The 'm' numbers for FOTR are from the initial spotting of the film ('Breaking the Fellowship' is M140) - these were updated before the sessions to use the reel number/letter format (for example 'Boromir' is 7N, 'A Knife in the Dark' is 4A, 'Concerning Hobbits' is 1G).The 'Live to Projection' performances use a different numbering scheme again, with titles drawn from the Complete Recordings and the original cuesheets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Does anybody have an understanding of how Howard Shore structures his slate numbers? Here's an example- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 LR = AUJ MR = DOS BR = BOFA Cues are numbered based off the scene # of the start of the cue. So the very first cue in AUJ in LR01. DOS starts at MR136, etc. Remember that "Scene 88" featurette from AUJ, for the warg chase? Well, that's cue LR88 When cues get broken up for recording, each piece gets a letter after it, so there's for example an MR190a, MR190b, MR190c, MR190d, and MR190e. 1003 in that pic means he wrote the cue on October 3rd 1005 means it was orchestrated on October 5th. Insert 165-171 means they are recording an insert that replaces bars 165 to 171 of the original MR272B. Incidentally, MR272B is the second half of My Armor Is Iron enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 What do LR, MR, and BR stand for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Little Rivers, Medium (Middle?) Rivers, Big Rivers #14: http://filmschoolrejects.com/features/the-hobbit-an-unexpected-journey-commentary.php or http://themovienetwork.tumblr.com/post/99343129924/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-hobbit-the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Haha interesting. Thanks for explaining all that! I wonder if any other composers have unconventional slate numbering. Or if anybody else uses Shore's format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 This isn't Shore's standard format; Just the way he did the Hobbit tril Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wojo 2,453 Posted September 18, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted September 18, 2015 This isn't Shore's standard format; Just the way he did the Hobbit trilObite? Dixon Hill, A. A. Ron and Gnome in Plaid 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 What a waste of a post. Trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Ah gotcha. Any ideas as to why that is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I'm sure its just what made the most sense to him for this project >shrug< Who knows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 20, 2015 Share Posted September 20, 2015 An embryonic form of this numbering system was used on The Return of the King and further refined for The Hobbit. Using reel/part numbers is tricky when a film is as editorially fluid as The Hobbit was in post! The use of dates and letters for composition, orchestration and conform makes it easier to keep track of the latest versions of each composition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Fellowship and Two Towers were more straightforward. Fellowship compositions were given simple 'm' numbers during spotting which were converted to reel numbers and part letters as post-production progressed (The Great River started life as m135 and became 8G). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Would there be any harm in you posting a list of all the Fellowship slates and names here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Yes there would: we would know all that we are missing, and Doug and Co. can't have that! Gnome in Plaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 When it comes to Fellowship, I think we basically know all there is to know. BOFA is the big mysterious one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Hopefully bits of BOFA will make more sense when the EE is released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,364 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Would there be any harm in you posting a list of all the Fellowship slates and names here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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