Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Quote Garbage was an inspired choice with a great song for World Is Not Enough. Garbage were a great band with two fine albums on their belt, and then The World is Not Enough happened. I honestly think it would've turned out better if David Arnold and Don Black weren't involved in the composition and writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 14 minutes ago, Sharkus Malarkus said: Garbage were a great band with two fine albums on their belt, and then The World is Not Enough happened. I honestly think it would've turned out better if David Arnold and Don Black weren't involved in the composition and writing. You really don't like that song? It's a Top 5 Bond Song for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: You really don't like that song? It's a Top 5 Bond Song for me. Nah, it's a MOR Barry/Bassey-retread. Arnold pulled the pastiche trick once with Surrender and it worked, but not the second time round. I'll give it this: it's got some nice production on it and Manson gives a strong performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I think I'm just still a sucker for Barry retreads. Bring on more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 It's a good song, but wouldn't rate it among the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 It's middle of the pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 5 minutes ago, Sharkus Malarkus said: It's middle of the pack. Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Films: Skyfall Casino Royale Quantum of Solace SPECTRE Scores: Quantum of Solace Skyfall Casino Royale SPECTRE Karol Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,542 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I might just watch "Skyfall", this very evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 11 minutes ago, Richard said: I might just watch "Skyfall", this very evening. You're an example of British fortitude, Richard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,542 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Same old Richard; Britain's last line of defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post leeallen01 2,136 Posted August 19, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted August 19, 2016 Arnold is a huge way ahead of Newman. I love Newman, but his scores were mostly forgettable and he never was able to reach the sound of Bond that Barry and Arnold reached with ease. Arnold does more in this 29 second piece, than Newman managed in both his entire scores for Skyfall and Spectre. Bilbo, gkgyver and Josh500 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Films: Quantum of Solace Casino Royale Spectre Skyfall Scores: Quantum Of Solace Casino Royale ... Never Say Never Again ... Skyfall ... Dishwasher ... Spectre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 1 minute ago, leeallen01 said: Arnold is a huge way ahead of Newman. I love Newman, but his scores were mostly forgettable and he never was able to reach the sound of Bond that Barry and Arnold reached with ease. Arnold does more in this 29 second piece, than Newman managed in both his entire scores for Skyfall and Spectre. Ugh, that cheap sounding kick + delayed hi-hat. Other than that, it's a nice cue. I always liked though Ma Vlast-ish variations on YKMN. My beef is rather with the action music (excluding African Rundown) and the suspense underscore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Did anyone get the impression that Newman didn't really fully grasp how to use and where to place the 4 note bond theme? He just kind of stuck it in every scene and at a deafening volume with no structure at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 5 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: Arnold is a huge way ahead of Newman. I love Newman, but his scores were mostly forgettable and he never was able to reach the sound of Bond that Barry and Arnold reached with ease. Arnold does more in this 29 second piece, than Newman managed in both his entire scores for Skyfall and Spectre. Newman did a very good job, imo. Especially considering this really isn't his kind of territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Just now, Stefancos said: Newman did a very good job, imo. Especially considering this really isn't his kind of territory. I really enjoy his Skyfall score. But it doesn't compare to Arnold's Bond. I guess that is mostly due to the film, considering Arnold always had fun action, and a humour-filled Bond. Yet Newman had a mostly miserable Bond, with less inspired locations and darker stories. That's also why Arnold's Quantum Score wasn't as good as Royale imo, because of the misery revenge plot of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 3 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: That's also why Arnold's Quantum Score wasn't as good as Royale imo, because of the misery revenge plot of the film. You see, I think Forster's discriminating tastes requiring that Arnold almost reinvent himself and provide a soundworld tailored to the film rather (it's akin to Ang Lee working with Danny Elfman on Hulk), makes for much more better listen. Casino Royale contains many passages that feel like hangovers from the Brosnan scores, whereas Quantum of Solace never feels like a complete retread. There's some bold choices that don't always work (the distorted guitar power chords for the boat chase) but I've got a lot respect for what Arnold managed to pull off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I'll be curious to see who scores the next one. I think for sure that Newman leaves with Mendes. The path of least resistance would be for the producers to go back to Arnold, but I wonder if we won't see someone brand new to the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 17 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: Did anyone get the impression that Newman didn't really fully grasp how to use and where to place the 4 note bond theme? He just kind of stuck it in every scene and at a deafening volume with no structure at all. I thought Newman made a very canny use out of the 4 note vamp, in the form of a heroic punctuation mark for death-defying moments in the film. It didn't feel arbitrary, at least in Skyfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,542 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 You're saying Arnold might not come back? Just try and stop him, you jumped-up little shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 David Arnold Will Return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Not guaranteed at all! But yeah, it's the most likely choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Arnold or Holkenborg! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 3 hours ago, leeallen01 said: Did anyone get the impression that Newman didn't really fully grasp how to use and where to place the 4 note bond theme? He just kind of stuck it in every scene and at a deafening volume with no structure at all. I got the distinct impression Newman didn't really fully grasp the concept of a Bond score to begin with. Naïve Old Fart and leeallen01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 I'd like the Bonds to become pure fun again. Though Mendes' films were good, they were rarely fun to watch, and mostly just miserably dark plot-wise. The formula has succeeded for more than 50 years because when the 'fun, camp films' get old, they switch to serious, then when they get old, they switch to fun again. Moore went very fun and wacky, then they bought in Dalton's Bond to make it more adult and serious. Then Brosnan continued it with Goldeneye, until people wanted fun again, so Brosnan's next 3 were pure fun and over the top, so then we got sick of the campness and wanted serious again, so we got Craig's 4, which got progressively darker and told inward family storytelling. Now I think we're sick of the dark and want some fun back. Arnold should return, and let's start making our way back to pure fun please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 19, 2016 Share Posted August 19, 2016 Films SPECTRE Skyfall Casino Royale Quantum of Solace Scores I can't listen to any of these. CR has its moments, but the album is tedious. QoS is unlistenable as it bashes you over the head with Arnold's hidiously fast action tempos. Finally Skyfall and SPECTRE are almost like ASMR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Skyfall is the least of the four by a small margin behind Spectre. At least Spectre has great and interesting locations, even though the navel gazing is ridiculous in that one, even worse than Skyfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 20, 2016 Author Share Posted August 20, 2016 John Barry > David Arnold >>>>>>>>> Thomas Newsman Upon rewatching Casino, I was surprised how good David Arnold was. That was when I first noticed him, so you speak. African Rundown, Miami, Blunt Instrument, Dinner Jackets, and Name's Bond are the highlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 9 hours ago, Stefancos said: Arnold or Holkenborg! Pemberton or Powell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,542 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 Please. Don't give nightmares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 3 hours ago, Koray Savas said: Pemberton Yes! Excellent choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 16 hours ago, leeallen01 said: Then Brosnan continued it with Goldeneye, until people wanted fun again, so Brosnan's next 3 were pure fun and over the top, so then we got sick of the campness and wanted serious again, so we got Craig's 4, which got progressively darker and told inward family storytelling. Would you really say Skyfall is darker than Quantum of Solace? It's a more adult film, but it has moments of levity that Solace lacks. A more convincing argument might say each got increasingly heterogeneous in tone (finding a good balance in Skyfall), to the point of schizophrenia in SPECTRE--a film where Bond interrogates a mouse and a henchman graphically (by Bond standards) gouges out a man's eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 QoS gets the tone of Bonds world wrong and at times borders on nihilism. Which is fine for Bourne, but not 007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 QoS felt like they threw together a script fast as possible before the writers strike started, then just filmed it rather than delaying production until the strike was resolved. Then to make matters worse, it was edited in an extreme version of the Greengrass Bourne style that was so bad it made it hard to tell what was going on half the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 It miscalculated that all we liked about Craigs Bond in CR was that he was bad-ass and hurt. None of the humour and romance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,542 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 (sigh) if only Martin Campbell had said "yes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 For both film and score, I much prefer the scaled back and stylish Skyfall to the comparatively noisier Casino Royale. I haven't seen Quantum or Spectre. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted August 20, 2016 Share Posted August 20, 2016 33 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: For both film and score, I much prefer the scaled back and stylish Skyfall to the comparatively noisier Casino Royale. I haven't seen Quantum or Spectre. You're not missing much, but they're good lessons on how you can fuck up a sequel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 Olga Kurylenko was the best part about QoS. I still think she was the best Bond girl in the Daniel Craig movies... closely followed by Eva Green and Lea Seydoux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I can agree with that. Josh500 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 I liked Gemma Arterton more, but she was wasted and burned the midnight oil. crocodile and Sharkissimo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Shatner's Rug said: I liked Gemma Arterton more, but she was wasted and burned the midnight oil. Agreed, she's gorgeous ( though not more so than Olga Kurylenko)! But she had only like 15 minutes screen time. What a waste. crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Agreed! Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Why a waste? Would it have been better if the character had loads more screentime, even if it didnt substantially add anything to the film? Or perhaps they should have picked a less attractive actress, so it's would not be so bad she's only in it for such a small time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Her character was sassier and more pleasant than Olga's boring, expressionless persona. It's as if QoS hated everything that made a Bond film fun, including likable girls. Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Films - Skyfall SPECTRE Casino Royale Quantum Of Solace Haven't listened to the scores enough to form an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 22, 2016 Author Share Posted August 22, 2016 3 hours ago, Stefancos said: Why a waste? Would it have been better if the character had loads more screentime, even if it didnt substantially add anything to the film? Or perhaps they should have picked a less attractive actress, so it's would not be so bad she's only in it for such a small time. You're overthinking it! Arterton was gorgeous, and the character she portrayed was interesting and memorable, so I just wish she'd have had more screentime. More than 15 minutes anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 On 20.8.2016 at 7:52 PM, Stefancos said: QoS gets the tone of Bonds world wrong and at times borders on nihilism. Which is fine for Bourne, but not 007. Hate to tell you, but Bourne got the tone of the real James Bond better than the Bond films for a long time. Hence the copying of its style and the shift in tone in later films. Just a shame that the serious tone drifted into forced connections and mumbo jumbo with Skyfall. It's still amazing to me that these Craig films are considered a connected saga, but not a single person finds fault with the lazy ass writing that has Bond becoming a true 00 and THE Bond by the end of QoS, and by the time of Skyfall, which chronologically takes place not much thereafter, Bond's story is that he's too old and worn for MI6. And in Spectre, the 00 agents, especially Bond, are considered essential for Britain again. In fact, that's a major plot point. I hate that kind of lazy shit. And truth be told, nobody expects a four movie saga out of the Bond series, and not from the dudes who wrote the pyro fests of the Brosnan era. So either let someone else write it completely, or don't try holding it together somehow at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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