Jay 37,368 Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Display Name said: Is there any spreadsheet of Harry Potter that indicates where the individual cues in combined tracks end and start? I haven't made one, but I can't think of any tracks where it isn't obvious, I mean, the recording sessions leaked for 1 & 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 @Jay What is meant by "sweetener" in your spreadsheets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 As far as I understand from examples I know from way back, it's a form of insert/overlay. For example, in Last Crusade, Indy's Very First Adventure has a few its in the film where pipe organ has been overlaid on top of the orchestral music, and in the Venice chase, mandolin replaced or has been laid over a few bits - those are all sweeteners. Dr. Rick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 47 minutes ago, Holko said: As far as I understand from examples I know from way back, it's a form of insert/overlay. For example, in Last Crusade, Indy's Very First Adventure has a few its in the film where pipe organ has been overlaid on top of the orchestral music, and in the Venice chase, mandolin replaced or has been laid over a few bits - those are all sweeteners. IIRC with the Venice chase, it is unknown if those Mandolins are sweeteners, or separately recorded and not included on the album mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 What's the difference? Regardless of how they end up in the score they sound the same. You could still consider them sweeteners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 The diifference is that one was always intended to be there, the other was something came up with later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 So it's not sweet if it came later? Jilal and bollemanneke 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 726 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 The term sweetener comes from adding sugar to coffee or tea. I recall using the term not only for music but sound effects as well. It’s just something to enhance the flavor and call out some detail or moment. If it was in the original orchestration, then it is not a sweetener even if recorded separately. That would be just an overlay. However, the result is the same - the filmmakers wanted the sound to pop out for a story telling or emotional reason. Being recorded separately of course could be because someone wanted an addition later or just that the player was not available at the same time. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Is there no The Force Awakens in here...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,440 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 No, but see the first post of this thread: I'm sure Jay left it out because it's not up to date. But it's still helpful for keeping track of the OST, FYC, and so on. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 A sweetener is a piece of music recorded later intended to mix over an already-recorded cue, to, well, sweeten it up! The examples posted above are, well, perfect examples! And yes I know I have more scores to add to the main post and more edits to make to some existing ones posted. I'll get to it soon. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 @Jay, are we ever going to get that POA spreadsheet? I'm trying to figure it all out for myself but I could still use your spreadsheet expertise. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 4, 2019 Share Posted May 4, 2019 Seconded. Every time someone bumps this thread, I get excited hoping for HP3. Not that I haven't worked 99% out myself, but it would be great to have your take and all the cue names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Is there a Last Jedi spreadsheet somewhere by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 I haven't made one. Hard to make them without sheet music or recording session leaks, and there isn't any yet for either SW sequel score. Without that kind of resource, it's all just guesswork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 On 5/4/2019 at 3:45 AM, bollemanneke said: Seconded. Every time someone bumps this thread, I get excited hoping for HP3. Not that I haven't worked 99% out myself, but it would be great to have your take and all the cue names. Can I have your info on it? I have most of it figured out but I can't find "Aunt Marge Points the Finger" anywhere is the box set and I don't even know what the point of "More Grim and Boggarts" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted May 8, 2019 Author Share Posted May 8, 2019 16 hours ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: I can't find "Aunt Marge Points the Finger" anywhere is the box set and I don't even know what the point of "More Grim and Boggarts" is. Williams' original version of Aunt Marge Points the Finger is not on the LLL release; The Revised version however opens "Aunt Marge's Waltz (Alternate)" on Disc 2. More Grim and Boggarts features an alternate version of "You Have the Grim", then an alternate version of "The Spider", then "Clown out the Cupboard" without the circus organ overlay. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Clown without calliope... where? It goes into the dementor part instead, doesn't it? It certainly doesn't include those string stingers for the bobbing clown cleanly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Could you tell us whether the original finger cue was vetoed, not found or just deemed not important enough? At first I was rather disappointed it wasn't there, but then when I tried to think of a good place to put it in this set, I couldn't come up with anything either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 7 hours ago, Jay said: Williams' original version of Aunt Marge Points the Finger is not on the LLL release; The Revised version however opens "Aunt Marge's Waltz (Alternate)" on Disc 2. More Grim and Boggarts features an alternate version of "You Have the Grim", an alternate version of "The Spider", then "Clown out the Cupboard" without the circus organ overlay. Ohh. Is the film version of Aunt Marge Points the Finger in the Waltz alternate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Yes, the second 'stinger', the low rumbling thing. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 15 hours ago, Holko said: Clown without calliope... where? It goes into the dementor part instead, doesn't it? It certainly doesn't include those string stingers for the bobbing clown cleanly. I don't understand your confusion. Clown Out Of The Cupboard is available clean in "More Grim and Boggarts" from 0:50-end. Later, a New Beginning was written and recorded, and that appears, combined/overlapped with Clown Out Of The Cupboard, in "The Boggarts" from 2:13-end. 15 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Could you tell us whether the original finger cue was vetoed, not found or just deemed not important enough? I don't know. 9 hours ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: Ohh. Is the film version of Aunt Marge Points the Finger in the Waltz alternate? Yes.... isn't that what I said? Sorry if I worded something wrong. The music you hear in the film when Marge points her finger is what opens the "Alternate" track on disc 2. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Oh. The additional string stringers can still only be heard in the version with the calliope. A third separate element? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 The Boggarts, 2:19, 2:22, 2:27. They punctuate the clown bobbing forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 I know...... what are you asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 They are not in More Grim and Boggarts, it could've been cool to have them without the calliope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 I never said they were? They are in the main Boggarts track, like I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 You only mentioned the circus organ overlay being recorded later and being in The Boggarts, not these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 Oh, sorry, I understand what you are saying now. The circus organ AND string stingers are all the same overlay, not two different overlays. It's in the sheet music leak as "3M7X New Beginning" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 No one was confused. Holko merely made the point that the string stingers must've been recorded separately, then he said it would've been cool if they had been included with the calliope-less version. He didn't say you said they were. I think you're the one who's confused, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 From your comment it seemed like the calliope was the only difference while it obviously isn't, you haven't mentioned these stingers before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 Yea, see my edited post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Thank you! Wouldn't this all be so much simpler if we had the spreadsheet with all these takes and descriptions? bollemanneke and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 I mean, the sheet music leaked what, a decade ago? It clearly shows the calliope and string parts right on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Sorry, that was so obvious, of course I should have known where to look and poured over sheet music I could naturally read with my perfect and not at all horribly lacking musical education. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 I can't read music either! But you can see the instruments called for even without knowing what the notes are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Is now the time to ask what the final part of Wizards' Consort is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 That's just unused source music right? I don't think Williams titled any of the source pieces, they are just like "source 1", "source 2", "source 3" (just like The Phantom Menace). And then Cuaron stuck them in the film where he wanted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Oh, interesting. So we don't know if it's an alternate for, say, the Leaky Cauldron source at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Doesn't it riff off the Winter's Spell melody? In that case it would be for The Three Broomsticks for sure. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 I have no idea what instructions Williams was given for writing the source pieces or if he was even writing them for specific locations or not *shrug* bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Jay said: Yes.... isn't that what I said? Sorry if I worded something wrong. The music you hear in the film when Marge points her finger is what opens the "Alternate" track on disc 2. You said the revised version was there but not the original. I had no clue if the revised version or the original was what was used in the movie because sometimes the originals go in and the revised versions never get used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 Right. The original version is what he wrote first, what we can see in the sheet music leak, what turned up in some DVD menu, but isn't in the film nor on the LLL set. The low rumbling version that came later is both in the film and on the LLL set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jay said: Right. The original version is what he wrote first, what we can see in the sheet music leak, what turned up in some DVD menu, but isn't in the film nor on the LLL set. The low rumbling version that came later is both in the film and on the LLL set. Okay, that makes perfect sense. Thank you! Screw it, I'm making a spreadsheet. And it's gonna suck because I've never seen the sheet music and I've never made a spreadsheet before! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Space Pineapple Prod. said: I've never made a spreadsheet before! Wait, for anything??? They taught spreadsheet software in school when I was young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,349 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Not to us they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Pineapple Prod. 183 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 On 5/9/2019 at 11:14 AM, Disco Stu said: Wait, for anything??? They taught spreadsheet software in school when I was young. It's been years since I learned anything about spreadsheets. I'm very bad at this. EDIT: Here's the spreadsheet, terrible like I promised! https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N3Vx_iwai4JvDFZIzG4U_MM0k2nKXzUJUcBlUOBBA_4/edit?usp=sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Display Name 60 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 @Jay, I have to admit, I don't find your Harry Potter spreadsheets particularly good. There are so many different and pointless tables and in the end they don't even include the information, where one cue ends and where another starts on the LLL set (if it's a track that combines several cues). The excellent spreadsheet that was made for the third Harry Potter film is much more complex and better structured. Moreover you marked some OST versions as "incomplete" although they just overlapped with another cue (Moaning Myrte, The Spiders). Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 8 hours ago, Display Name said: The excellent spreadsheet that was made for the third Harry Potter film is much more complex and better structured. Which one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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