Naïve Old Fart 9,553 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 21 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: Geez, Louise, what an arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tom Guernsey 2,287 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 6 hours ago, JNHFan2000 said: I agree. The tone of the series hasn't changed that much. The way we look at the historical events are different because we are so much closer to it than the start of Queen Elizabeth's reign. And the whole thing with Diana was that there was so much coverage on her. It's what got her killed. I saw a set photo of a young William & Kate so they're going pretty far into the future so there must be some timejumps if they're also covering Diana's death. Now I'm curious if they'll go up to the Queen's death. Exactly! Thanks for saying what I said better and more succinctly than I did lol. JNHFan2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 14 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said: Regarding The Crown, my feeling is that the writing didn't get worse in so much that the tone of the show changed to reflect the fact that the royal family and its coverage by the media got more sensationalist and tabloidy. It was all polite, deferential and stately in the beginning but slowly got trashier (as it largely remains) with the younger generation/s. I don't really know how they could have dramatised the whole Charles and Diana thing much better. When you have Liz and Phil having slightly reserved, but private, marriage issues in the 50s, it's much closer to period drama style so it feels more highbrow. However, we know so much more about Charles and Diana (or at least it was much more reported on) and due to the time shift and the nature of the breakup, the tone is significantly different. I just don't really see how they could have avoided it. I've heard similar complaints about The Crown from people of my parents' generation who vividly remember all the Charles and Diana dramas when they happened (even I remember where I was the night Diana died - eating chips with a friend in his car if you must know...). However, they would only have had that superficial, glossy media coverage of the Queen and family when they were younger so there's sufficient detachment from the events depicted in earlier seasons so I think it gives the impression that those early seasons were more "realistic" as there's less reality to compare them to. However, I'd suggest that earlier events like Princess Margaret having an affair with a photographer is presented as a whirlwind romance out of a novel (or something) which feels more serious/highbrow than (say) Diana inviting the surgeon round to her house/palace for crisps and whatever else. Of course you may still feel there has been a quality decline in later seasons, but given that the key writers and production people have stayed in place and they haven't run out of source material (not mentioning no Game of Thrones), my feeling is that the tonal shift gives the impression of a different, slightly more tawdry melodrama, but only because the lives of the characters being depicted essentially demanded such a change. Very much a "I know what I'm trying to say but don't think I'm putting my point across that well no matter how much I consider it and edit it" post... Thanks for your thoughts, and I agree with a lot of it. I don't really have much of a problem with the Charles/Diana/Camilla storyline - indeed, it was easily the strongest part of Season 5, and despite Dominic West not reaching the highs of Josh O'Connor's portrayal of Charles, Debicki is a powerhouse and their scenes are electric. But everything around that storyline that has dipped in quality. Take the Season 5 opener, Queen Victoria Syndrome, which hamfistedly beats us around the head with the comparisons of the the Royal Yacht to the Queen herself. This kind of metaphor can be effective, but it's employed with a heavy hand and the emotional climax has Elizabeth clumsily making the allegory explicit in the text. It's the kind of hand-holding that the show trusted its audience not to need in the early seasons, and for me it's a disappointing shift in tone. I can't really recall much else of Elizabeth's arc in the season because it was either similiarly clumsy or just not there, which speaks volumes. It's also clear that Morgan has no idea what to do with Philip in this era, giving him a frankly tepid character arc with the carriage restoration and the frustratingly opaque relationship with Lady Romsey. It's a strange choice seeing as they have an actor of Jonathan Pryce's calibre. I understand that Elizabeth and Philip are no longer the sole focus of the show - considering the Diana and Charles-shaped elephant in the room - but given they were such dynamic and compelling characters in earlier seasons it's hard not to be disappointed with their storylines. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,287 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 9 hours ago, Docteur Qui said: Thanks for your thoughts, and I agree with a lot of it. I don't really have much of a problem with the Charles/Diana/Camilla storyline - indeed, it was easily the strongest part of Season 5, and despite Dominic West not reaching the highs of Josh O'Connor's portrayal of Charles, Debicki is a powerhouse and their scenes are electric. But everything around that storyline that has dipped in quality. Take the Season 5 opener, Queen Victoria Syndrome, which hamfistedly beats us around the head with the comparisons of the the Royal Yacht to the Queen herself. This kind of metaphor can be effective, but it's employed with a heavy hand and the emotional climax has Elizabeth clumsily making the allegory explicit in the text. It's the kind of hand-holding that the show trusted its audience not to need in the early seasons, and for me it's a disappointing shift in tone. I can't really recall much else of Elizabeth's arc in the season because it was either similiarly clumsy or just not there, which speaks volumes. It's also clear that Morgan has no idea what to do with Philip in this era, giving him a frankly tepid character arc with the carriage restoration and the frustratingly opaque relationship with Lady Romsey. It's a strange choice seeing as they have an actor of Jonathan Pryce's calibre. I understand that Elizabeth and Philip are no longer the sole focus of the show - considering the Diana and Charles-shaped elephant in the room - but given they were such dynamic and compelling characters in earlier seasons it's hard not to be disappointed with their storylines. I had forgotten about some aspects of the prior seasons in fairness; it seems to be the Charles and Diana stuff that most complaints have focussed about when it comes to style/tone hence why I particularly raised and mentioned it. However, I concede that some of the metaphor is pretty heavy handed as you note. I guess the issue with Liz and Phil is that ultimately they are quite boring (or too unknowable to effectively dramatise) so, from a story perspective, they are effectively bit players in the bigger dramas happening to everyone else. I don't really know how their stories could have been more interesting portrayed in later stages, but I agree that they have got less compelling. Maybe that's the point; they just became middle aged/old and their lives stagnated (to the extent possible when you're head of state and live in a palace...). Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,553 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 11 hours ago, Docteur Qui said: ... the Diana and Charles-shaped elephant in the room - That's an accurate description of Parker Bowles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 18 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said: I had forgotten about some aspects of the prior seasons in fairness; it seems to be the Charles and Diana stuff that most complaints have focussed about when it comes to style/tone hence why I particularly raised and mentioned it. However, I concede that some of the metaphor is pretty heavy handed as you note. I guess the issue with Liz and Phil is that ultimately they are quite boring (or too unknowable to effectively dramatise) so, from a story perspective, they are effectively bit players in the bigger dramas happening to everyone else. I don't really know how their stories could have been more interesting portrayed in later stages, but I agree that they have got less compelling. Maybe that's the point; they just became middle aged/old and their lives stagnated (to the extent possible when you're head of state and live in a palace...). You make some great points, like the fact they're reaching a more reflective age, but I will disagree that the real figures are too unknowable for dramatic storytelling. The whole show is as much speculative fiction as it is historical, and they've invented so many character traits and plots that I don't think it's a stretch to expect some interesting drama from Liz and Phil. Colman as Liz got some tremendous scenes: from her rapport with Thatcher to her arguments with the young and hot-headed Charles; as did Foy and Smith. All of those encounters likely happened very differently in reality (or not at all) but the show presented them very compellingly. Those kinds of scenes now seem to sit solely with Charles and Diana, and the show is weaker for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,287 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Never mind kings and queens when you can have a Lord of Time… Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JNHFan2000 2,968 Posted October 26, 2023 Share Posted October 26, 2023 New trailer for part one of Season 6 of The Crown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted October 31, 2023 Author Share Posted October 31, 2023 I haven't seen the Frasier reboot and doubt I will, but Paramount accidentally uploaded a clip of the first episode before the extra canned laughter was added, where you can only hear the tepid response from the in-studio audience. Pretty sad Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,363 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Obviously John Mahoney couldn't return, but the fact that nobody else from the previous cast could be convinced to either is pretty telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,401 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 I thought it started out pretty good and with this last episode seems to be hitting it's stride. I have high hopes. Roz is coming back this season and I figure others will show up in later seasons. Obviously David Hyde Pierce would be the 900 pound gorilla. But Frasier went 10 years in Boston without seeing much of his family once. He might do it again. David (Niles and Daphne's boy) is the weakest character as of yet but they might figure out what to do with him yet. Freddie is pretty good. Frasier's Harvard colleagues are my favorites so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,287 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Tallguy said: I thought it started out pretty good and with this last episode seems to be hitting it's stride. I have high hopes. Roz is coming back this season and I figure others will show up in later seasons. Obviously David Hyde Pierce would be the 900 pound gorilla. But Frasier went 10 years in Boston without seeing much of his family once. He might do it again. David (Niles and Daphne's boy) is the weakest character as of yet but they might figure out what to do with him yet. Freddie is pretty good. Frasier's Harvard colleagues are my favorites so far. The first couple of episodes definitely had a lot of setup which wasn't that funny, but then the first few episodes of most comedies aren't as funny until they get going. Plot and setup just aren't funny, you need to know the dynamics and foibles before the characters come into their own. I did think the rationale for Freddy living with Frasier was impressively unconvincing and needlessly convoluted though... could he not just have been dumped by his girlfriend or something easy? Frasier's more overt wealth felt a bit odd to me too. He was clearly rich in the original show, but it was demonstrated through his tastes and interests than him actually saying it out loud. Then again, by the third episode, we thought it was genuinely hilarious at times... as someone with a partner who went to Cambridge who "doesn't like to mention it" the running gag with Harvard replacing Cambridge was especially on point for me. Agree on David to some extent, he seems like more of an appendage character than a crucial central character. I'm definitely willing to give it the benefit of the doubt. Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,968 Posted November 1, 2023 Share Posted November 1, 2023 Netflkx just uploaded the first episode of a new animated series on YouTube. It releases in full on Netflix and I'm looking forward to seeing it. Has this ever done before a series releases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,401 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 This looks interesting. I like the kid. (Who is 33.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 YES!!!!! By far, my most anticipated TV event in years. Loved the book, loved the original miniseries. Please, by all the gods, DON'T SCREW THIS UP FX!!!!! Tallguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,473 Posted November 2, 2023 Share Posted November 2, 2023 5 hours ago, Tallguy said: This looks interesting. The Artful TODGER? Oh, it's Dodger. Carry on, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,968 Posted November 6, 2023 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 ‘Curb Your Enthusiasm’ Season 12 to Premiere in February 2024 Can't wait Nick1Ø66 and Mr. Who 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 I've never seen Slow Horses, but it's already up to a third season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,401 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Yeah, I need to get back to that. Or drop Apple. Either way. It's just a lot heavier than what I've been in the mood for this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 I've never seen the Reacher TV series, but it's got a second season coming out Mr. Who 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,968 Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 I love Greek Mythology and these types of animated series. First season was fantastic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted November 8, 2023 Author Share Posted November 8, 2023 ‘The White Lotus’ Season 3 Will Be ‘Supersized,’ Touts Mike White: ‘It’s Going to Be Longer, Bigger, Crazier’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,401 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Monk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share Posted November 9, 2023 The creative team behind THE OA have a new show coming out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,210 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 It does remind me of The OA. Which should never have been cancelled, so let's hope it lives up to that. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share Posted November 9, 2023 Yea I loved that show and was so bummed how hard Netflix screwed it over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,401 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 I'm so excited for this I can't see straight. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share Posted November 9, 2023 https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/30571-masters-of-the-air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, Tallguy said: I'm so excited for this I can't see straight. This, Shogun, HoTD & Curb is all the TV I need for 2024. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 i hope it's great bc i love these planes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,968 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 First trailer for the live action The Last Airbender. Release: February 22nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 316 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Reacher was pretty fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,722 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 45 minutes ago, Brónach said: i hope it's great bc i love these planes It looks a little CGI-slick for my taste, I prefer the grainy, dirty look of Band of Brothers (which of course borrowed from SPR). But it's 2024, and this is just what big budget TV looks like, so hopefully the script (based on the phenomenal book) is solid. Brónach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 316 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: First trailer for the live action The Last Airbender. Release: February 22nd Some iffy greenscreen/volume notwithstanding, this looks visually great. Hopefully the scripts and actors can (and are allowed to) perform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,401 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 20 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said: First trailer for the live action The Last Airbender. Release: February 22nd Well. I recognized everything in it. That's gotta mean something, yeah? (I could probably say the same about Cowboy Bebop...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 919 Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 10 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said: This, Shogun, HoTD & Curb is all the TV I need for 2024. Curb, Fallout, 3 Body Problem, HOTD and Masters of the Air for me! Also Severance if that gets released next year. On 7/11/2023 at 2:54 PM, Jay said: ‘Curb Your Enthusiasm’ Season 12 to Premiere in February 2024 Can't wait Hope it’s not the last one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted November 10, 2023 Author Share Posted November 10, 2023 Severance 2 has to come out next year, and probably early in it. They were 90% done filming when the strike started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted November 22, 2023 Author Share Posted November 22, 2023 Black Mirror renewed for season 7 Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,346 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 On 10/11/2023 at 2:24 PM, Jay said: Severance 2 has to come out next year, and probably early in it. They were 90% done filming when the strike started. Eagerly waiting for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted November 22, 2023 Author Share Posted November 22, 2023 Miracle Workers Cancelled After 4 Seasons BUMMER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Edmilson 7,473 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 This made me lol: Prime Video and its shows are just an ad for Amazon as it seems. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted December 5, 2023 Author Share Posted December 5, 2023 Apple TV+ renews “Foundation” for season three Maybe I'll finally check it out the next time we have Apple again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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