Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 As a rule of thumb, the improvement in sound quality on expanded releases is usually exaggerated on this forum. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 A shame because Inferno is in my top 5 I think. But there it is. Could be worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 Any issues with sound quality in Towering Inferno are only due to Fox not vaulting the scoring elements properly back in the 70s, and not because of a deficiency of work from anyone who worked on the new release. Decades of experience and top the line technology made those old elements sound as good as possible, but the elements are what they are. I do think the LLL sounds better than the FSM, without question. But it's not like some previously un-found 1st gen element was miraculously found that enabled them to have a quantum leap in fidelity or anything. Still, it's significantly more pleasing to listen to now, without question Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,367 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 The greater shame is Poseidon Adventure. Sadly they didn't have elements to transfer anew for that score, so I believe (hence reusing the same music files from the old FSM release). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 Close, it was the same transfers as the old LLL release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,367 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Earthquake sounds comparatively brilliant though! Thankfully Universal must have vaulted those elements properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 Indeed! Too bad they didn't show the same care to the Jaws scoring masters crumbs and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,367 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, Jay said: Indeed! Too bad they didn't show the same care to the Jaws scoring masters They're not the only offenders. The shoddy way Lucasfilm treated Williams' scoring masters for the OT is even worse, when you consider the volume of music in various stages of disrepair (or even lost!) Not hugely surprising when you consider Lucas' treatment of the films themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,698 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: As a rule of thumb, the improvement in sound quality on expanded releases is usually exaggerated on this forum. Sometimes, but not every time. It's all contextual. The recent-ish PLANET OF THE APES is an astonishing jump in quality, over the VS release. Likewise, THE TOWERING INFERNO has greater separation of instruments, together with a more prominent presence and unification of sound, rather than just a big lump of music. I wish it was a tad less dry, though. Still, for what is my #3 all-time favourite JW score, I'm very happy, with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 That edition of Planet of the Apes is mindblowing Naïve Old Fart and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 If only the quality of the music matched the sound quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,698 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 JS, there is a special place reserved, for you, in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Thank you. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 I think Planet of the Apes is a brilliant score but I understand how it's not for everyone Holko and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 7 hours ago, Jay said: Any issues with sound quality in Towering Inferno are only due to Fox not vaulting the scoring elements properly back in the 70s, and not because of a deficiency of work from anyone who worked on the new release. Decades of experience and top the line technology made those old elements sound as good as possible, but the elements are what they are. I do think the LLL sounds better than the FSM, without question. But it's not like some previously un-found 1st gen element was miraculously found that enabled them to have a quantum leap in fidelity or anything. Still, it's significantly more pleasing to listen to now, without question Yes Jay thankyou. As you say it is what it is and I'm not detracting in any way the magnificent accomplishments of MM and LLL. Just too bad the elements were in that shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 20 hours ago, Jay said: I think Planet of the Apes is a brilliant score but I understand how it's not for everyone Yeah, I keep hearing people (especially Richard) saying it's good. I may give it another try if the latest edition gets released as an individual album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 2:45 PM, Jurassic Shark said: As a rule of thumb, the improvement in sound quality on expanded releases is usually exaggerated on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 No, I said thumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,698 Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 15 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Yeah, I keep hearing people (especially Richard) saying it's good. I may give it another try if the latest edition gets released as an individual album. I was fortunate enough to discover the score in my "formative" years, when I was hungry for any film music. It was the first Jerry score that I'd heard, and I took to it like a duck to water. It remains his finest achievement - not my favourite Jerry, but definitely his finest. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 For Planet of the Apes Goldsmith wrote an astonishing score that is simultaneously archaic and futuristic at the same time. It also sounds really 60s as well which I love. Music very much of its time. Back to Inferno. How many of the alternate tracks actually contain different music? As there are three versions of the Main Title presented on the LLL Two Disc set would I be right in saying they are all identical? The "alternate" on Disc two I'm guessing is just an alternate performance not alternate music? Plus the album version of the Main Title is not a re-recording right? Just lifted from the main soudtrack. Am I right? Also can someone suggest a modern digital recording of the Main Title for me? The RSNO version has fantastic punch but unfortunately there are 2 or 3 bum notes in the recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt S. 499 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 35 minutes ago, stravinsky said: Also can someone suggest a modern digital recording of the Main Title for me? The RSNO version has fantastic punch but unfortunately there are 2 or 3 bum notes in the recording. The recent recording by Keith Lockhart and the Boston Pops Orchestra is fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 I hadn't head of that. Thankyou v much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,319 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, stravinsky said: I hadn't head of that. Thankyou v much. SILVA did a great take on TPA and TI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Listen thanks again for these links. I thought the only available was the RSNO version which I love but as I say just marred a bit by wrong notes here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted September 19, 2020 Author Share Posted September 19, 2020 On 9/19/2020 at 12:32 PM, stravinsky said: As there are three versions of the Main Title presented on the LLL Two Disc set would I be right in saying they are all identical? The "alternate" on Disc two I'm guessing is just an alternate performance not alternate music? Plus the album version of the Main Title is not a re-recording right? Just lifted from the main soudtrack. Am I right? There's only one composition for the main title sequence. LLL disc 1 track 1 "Main Title (Film Version)" would be the exact correct takes as used in the film The old OST album's "Main Title" (contained on the LLL as disc 2 track 16) used different takes than the film did LLL disc 2 track 1 "Main Title (Alternate)" is either more different takes, or the same takes that the album used, just from the same source element as the rest of the new LLL program (since the OST album at the end of disc 2 is taken from the old album master, and not a rebuild from this element) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 Dazzled. Thankyou. How on earth do you know all this minutae? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 Decades of experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Can anyone tell me which tracks which were previously combined on the old FSM release are now separate tracks on Disc 1 of the Lalaland release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 On 11/29/2018 at 11:06 AM, Jay said: 1974 - The Towering Inferno My Google Doc Naïve Old Fart and KittBash 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,698 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 On 9/19/2020 at 3:18 PM, Jay said: There's only one composition for the main title sequence. LLL disc 1 track 1 "Main Title (Film Version)" would be the exact correct takes as used in the film The old OST album's "Main Title" (contained on the LLL as disc 2 track 16) used different takes than the film did LLL disc 2 track 1 "Main Title (Alternate)" is either more different takes, or the same takes that the album used, just from the same source element as the rest of the new LLL program (since the OST album at the end of disc 2 is taken from the old album master, and not a rebuild from this element) Does the film version of Main Title have that rather clumsy cymbal crash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted April 8, 2021 Author Share Posted April 8, 2021 Couldn't tell you, I've never seen the film I have a vague memory that one of the main title cues in this set had a musical gesture timed for when Irwin Allen's name appears on the screen, could that be what you're talking about? Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,698 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 @Jay, that's exactly what I'm talking about. It's on neither the OST, nor the FSM. Apparently, it was added at the behest of Allen himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted April 8, 2021 Author Share Posted April 8, 2021 I would guess, then, then it appears in LLL disc 1 track 1, and disc 2 track 1 is the same proper film takes but w/o that added cymbal crash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Thanks again Jay. I cannot believe you've never seen the film. Give yourself a treat and watch it sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Is it good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted April 8, 2021 Author Share Posted April 8, 2021 Just now, stravinsky said: Thanks again Jay. I cannot believe you've never seen the film. Give yourself a treat and watch it sometime. There's endless films I've never seen But I do plan on seeing all the ones JW scored eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,437 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: Is it good? TTI? Yes, one might even say it's great! Great cast, direction, visual effects and of course a perfect score... It's one of the best 70's movie Williams scored, my personal 6th (after SW, CE3K, Jaws, 1941, Superman) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Wow! I actually have it as part of a Steve McQueen blu-ray box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,437 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Although I have to confess that I haven't seen all his 70's movies (only half of them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,627 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 It's fine. But POSEIDON is the better picture of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,479 Posted April 8, 2021 Author Share Posted April 8, 2021 Hmm, out of the 1970s films scored by Williams that I've seen, my rankings of the films (not the scores!) from best to worst would be Jaws Close Encounters Star Wars 1941 Superman The Sugarland Express Dracula The Eiger Sanction I haven't seen Story of a Woman, Jane Eyre, Fiddler on the Roof, The Cowboys, The Screaming Woman, The Poseidon Adventure, Pete N Tillie, Images, The Long Goodbye, Tom Sawyer, The Man Who Loved Cat Dancing, The Paper Chase, Cinderella Liberty, Conrack, Earthquake, The Towering Inferno, Family Plot, The Missouri Breaks, Midway, Black Sunday, The Fury or Jaws 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiders of the SoundtrArk 2,437 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, Thor said: It's fine. But POSEIDON is the better picture of the two. The two are pretty close I think, just find the Towering Inferno a little bit better just because of the score. 10 minutes ago, Jay said: I haven't seen Story of a Woman, Jane Eyre, Fiddler on the Roof, The Cowboys, The Screaming Woman, The Poseidon Adventure, Pete N Tillie, Images, The Long Goodbye, Tom Sawyer, The Man Who Loved Cat Dancing, The Paper Chase, Cinderella Liberty, Conrack, Earthquake, The Towering Inferno, Family Plot, The Missouri Breaks, Midway, Black Sunday, The Fury or Jaws 2 I strongly recommend The Poseidon Adventures, The Towering Inferno, Family Plot, The Fury (which really surprised me when I saw it) and Jaws 2 which isn't the original but it still has some nice moments. Midway is okay without being great, the Missouri Breaks is very special and strange (didn't find it bad though, nor great) Finally The Long Goodbye is too long and frankly boring. Anyway that's just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Raiders of the SoundtrArk said: Finally The Long Goodbye is too long Who would have known. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,627 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Raiders of the SoundtrArk said: The two are pretty close I think, just find the Towering Inferno a little bit better just because of the score. Oh, the score is MUCH better than POSEIDON's. But POSEIDON is a much better movie. It's a weird mix there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,227 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 On 9/17/2020 at 2:21 PM, Naïve Old Fart said: I was fortunate enough to discover the score in my "formative" years, when I was hungry for any film music. It was the first Jerry score that I'd heard, and I took to it like a duck to water. It remains his finest achievement - not my favourite Jerry, but definitely his finest. Cue objective vs subjective debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Can anyone tell me if the previously unreleased tracks (#14 #20) on Disc #1 of Inferno are now true Stereo even if they were built up from Mono sources? Would they have been created the same way the scores for Jaws and Earthquake were assembled? I mean from separate Mono stems now remixed to Stereo? Because they sound Stereo to me. Would the treatment of these Mono tracks be similar to the way old LPs in the 70s presented Mono as "Fake Stereo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,461 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 The Towering Inferno was on television the day before yesterday. And I dipped in, to watch how the music is used. And while watching I remembered how I felt about it, when I watched the movie for the first time about 35 years ago. I found the music really annoying in the action scenes. 35 years ago and now as well. I completely understand, what Williams was doing there and pure musically it is fine. But for what is happening on screen, there is definitely too much going on in the music. In combination with the intrusive sound of the movie it is simply too much. Apart from movie sound for such kind of films, I think, Williams feeling for what is enough music for the scene and what too much improved significantly in the years to come after that and made him the to date best action music writer in cinema. But that early work does not work so well with the pictures. Anyway, I like listening to it on its own. And the main theme is onoe of my favourites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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