HB Potlood 33 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Well done, and very fast work, JNHFan2000! The music for episode 5 on Volume 2 is not completely chronological. The "Brownies!" track is spit in two with some overlap: the first use of Horner's original Brownies motif is heard once on this track and twice in the episode. When the track is split in two, the first part ends with it and the second part opens with the same notes. Also, "One Ones Left" plays after "Truly Live" and the track "Advice" is not heard completely in the show. Here's my breakdown of episode 5: Time for Some Mayhem - Arre Lariel Vol 2.10 Butterflies Vol 2.11 The Wrong Hands Vol 2.12 Scorpia Vol 2.13 Brownies! (0:00 - 0:45) Vol 2.14 Escape Tales Vol 2.13 Brownies! (0:40 - end) Vol 2.16 Bone Reaver Brawl Vol 2.17 Truly Live! Vol 2.15 One Ones Left Vol 2.18 Returned (0:00 -1:00) Crimson and Clover - Pom Pom Squad Vol 2.18 Returned (1:01 - end) Vol 2.19 Advice (0:00 - 1:10) Vol 2.20 Wanting To Say Vol 2.21 Party's Over JNHFan2000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,967 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 I've made a small adjustmemt in episode 8. Your Own Path goes before The Wyrm HB Potlood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Ren 789 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Has anyone been able to figure out what are all the different themes and what they mean? Apart from Horner's original themes, so far I have gone through the first 2 volumes, and I have yet to see the last two episodes, but I think I figured out 4 different ideas by Howard. First is what seems to be the new main theme, that is used to represent the group, their journey and their heroic actions. It's the one that plays in Succeed or Fail, at the beginning of Treasure Hunter or at 3:00 of Compounding Issues for example. Then we have two separate ideas for Elora Danan, first a classic Howard fantasy motif. This idea usually played on an ondulating piano seems to represent her innocent side, and pops up in the second half of Castle Romances, at the beginning of You Are Extraordinary or at 2:17 of The High Tower. Then there is another theme that represents Elora Danan's royal side, and plays in more emotional scenes for her, like at 1:58 of Last Best Hope, at 0:56 of The Mark or at 2:42 of No Recipe. And there's also a dark motif for The Gales that pops up mostly through the Courtyard Attack cue from Volume 3, and which you can hear at 0:14, 1:40, etc, doing battle with Howard's theme for the heroes. And I'm sure there are some more, because going through the albums, I noticed some ideas that could be themes, but I haven't figured out what they mean. Also, I tried to post some YouTube links to better clarify this but it seems the soundtrack is not there, at least yet. HB Potlood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,470 Posted January 13, 2023 Author Share Posted January 13, 2023 24 minutes ago, Knight of Ren said: Has anyone been able to figure out what are all the different themes and what they mean? Apart from Horner's original themes, so far I have gone through the first 2 volumes, and I have yet to see the last two episodes, but I think I figured out 4 different ideas by Howard. First is what seems to be the new main theme, that is used to represent the group, their journey and their heroic actions. It's the one that plays in Succeed or Fail, at the beginning of Treasure Hunter or at 3:00 of Compounding Issues for example. Then we have two separate ideas for Elora Danan, first a classic Howard fantasy motif. This idea usually played on an ondulating piano seems to represent her innocent side, and pops up in the second half of Castle Romances, at the beginning of You Are Extraordinary or at 2:17 of The High Tower. Then there is another theme that represents Elora Danan's royal side, and plays in more emotional scenes for her, like at 1:58 of Last Best Hope, at 0:56 of The Mark or at 2:42 of No Recipe. And there's also a dark motif for The Gales that pops up mostly through the Courtyard Attack cue from Volume 3, and which you can hear at 0:14, 1:40, etc, doing battle with Howard's theme for the heroes. And I'm sure there are some more, because going through the albums, I noticed some ideas that could be themes, but I haven't figured out what they mean. Also, I tried to post some YouTube links to better clarify this but it seems the soundtrack is not there, at least yet. Are all themes introduced in the JNH-scored episodes or does Rodzinski has some original themes of his own? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,967 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Not sure about themes just by Rodzinski. I do believe the grunting vocals in A Fine Welcome are a theme the Trolls. And in the final episode The Gale/Crone/Wyrm theme is more prominent in the episode than on album. There is a really cool statement of it that should be in "Help Arrives", but about a minute of the cue is not on album. And I think The Bone Reavers have more of a sound, than really a theme. I do have to hand it to Rodzinski for the amount of different emotions he is able to get oht of the main theme. There are some terrific heroic, somber, heartbreaking & kind of menacing version of the theme in Ep. 6-8. And my favourite Horner quote might be at the end of "Loyal". It's really wonderful Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HB Potlood 33 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 A couple of small things about the tracks for episode seven: "Combat Training" is split in two in the episode with a pop song in between. "Not Worthy" is also part of two different scenes, but the music that is heard between them is not on the album. "How Far We'd Go" is heard in a different order in the episode: the second half comes first. Chapter 7 Beyond the Shattered Sea Vol 3.01 The Day Never Ends Vol 3.02 Breaking the Ice Vol 3.03 Zeb Vol 3.04 New Girl Vol 3.05 Scrambled or Poached Vol 3.06 The Mudmander Vol 3.07 Combat Training (0:00 -1:37) For the Glory - Kin Palo Vol 3.07 Combat Training (1:38 - end) Vol 3.08 What is Real? Vol 3.09 Getting Close Vol 3.10 Admissions Vol 3.11 Not Worthy (possible split at 00:50) Vol 3.13 How Far We'd Go (1:10 - end) Vol 3.13 How Far We'd Go (0:00 - 1:09) Vol 3.14 Not How This Ends I'm A Wanted Man - Royal Deluxe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark 316 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 Rodzinski really knocked the last two episodes’ scores out of the park! HB Potlood and JNHFan2000 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 So there was no full reprisal of Horner’s main theme during this entire series? I’ve only listen to the three albums one time through, haven’t watched the show. Was a bit disappointing to me 😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,967 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 Not sure what you mean but there are multiple statements of the main theme. And multiple Horner themss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 Yeah but the kind of shy quoting and passing reference. There are no "James bond theme like" statements like in the Arnold scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Ren 789 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 Yeah, there are plenty of Horner quotes from a couple of different themes from the original, and perhaps they don't quote them in arrangements as bombastic as Escape from the Tavern from the first movie (or Arnold's arrangement of the Bond theme), but some of them are quite nice. I just finished the show and I found myself enjoying it more than I thought I would. These last episodes grabbed my attention, and while not perfect, they were quite entertaining, so the prospect of another two seasons as the post-credits suggest wouldn't be too bad, especially if we get to hear more music from the composers. And I think Rodzinski should continue the show on his own because he has shown he's more than capable, especially with some impressive action sequences near the end. I enjoyed more the score for the episodes he scored, than those that Howard did, altough that might also be because Howard got the first three, which were more about setting up the story and didn't allow him to go beyond that. After listening to the albums, I noticed some other ideas that pop up around for a couple of characters. For Kit and Jade, we have a theme that is heard right at the beginning, in One Day, then appearing sparsely but with some great variations, like at 1:28 of Family Heirloom, at 0:09 and 0:48 of Bigger Than Anything and also at 2:41 of The Wyrm. We also have the ethereal synths that accompany some love scenes between them, that can be heard in the first half of Castle Romances, or starting at 1:00 of Wanting to Say. Graydon also has a melody that starts as a comedic motif at 1:11 of Returned or at 0:45 of Cliff Creeping, but that then turns more emotional like at 0:40 of The Mudmander, at the start of How Far We'd Go, becoming hugely dramatic at 1:28 of Bigger Than Anything, at 1:18 of Help Arrives and finally appearing one last time at 0:25 of Closing Chapter. There's also another theme that I don't know what it means exactly, but seems to appear when characters talk about Madmartigan, his quest and his whereabouts. It appears at 1:10 of Until That Day, in choir at 3:40 of I'll Go, in an action arrangement at 2:29 of Compunding Issues, and then becomes quite prominent with the appearance of Christian Slater's character in episode 6. Here you can hear it at 0:15 of Betrayed, all through the first half of Searching for Wiggleheim, and then again at 0:15 of What Matters Most. Great theme! And I'm sure there are a couple of ideas hidden in there that I haven't figured out yet, but after a couple of listens I'm sure I will pick up on some of them. Overall, really enjoyable score, and I really like how the composers balanced the quotes from the original material with their own material making stand on its own really well. I particularly have come to enjoy a lot all the different arrangements and variations on the main Heroes theme! JNHFan2000 and enderdrag64 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNHFan2000 2,967 Posted January 14, 2023 Share Posted January 14, 2023 I agree. Last 3 episode were the best and I hope the other seasons get made, even just for the reason to hear more of this music! enderdrag64 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HB Potlood 33 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 For the finale, the track "Harbinger" is split in two, with "Bigger than Anything" and " Loyal" heard in between. There is also some unreleased fighting music omitted from the track "Help Arrives". Chapter 8 Children of the Wyrm Vol 3.15 Harbinger (0:00 - 0:41) Vol 3.16 Bigger than Anything Vol 3.17. Loyal Vol 3.15 Harbinger (0:42 - end) Vol 3.18. Into the Light Vol 3.19. This Can’t Be Real Vol 3.20. Try Harder! Vol 3.23. Your Own Path Vol 3.21. The Wyrm Vol 3.22. Remember Who You Are I'm On Fire - Soccer Mommy Vol 3.24. Help Arrives (possible split at 0:36) Vol 3.25. Facing Off Vol 3.26. Last Gasp Vol 3.27. The Most Powerful Thing in the Universe Vol 3.28. Closing Chapter Money For Nothing - Dire Straits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 They put Money For Nothing in a Willow TV show? I'm guessing they edited out that one part for the show? HB Potlood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HB Potlood 33 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 59 minutes ago, Jay said: They put Money For Nothing in a Willow TV show? I'm guessing they edited out that one part for the show? Yes, they edited out the offending lyrics, as well as all of Stings' "I want my MTV" (but left in Knopfler's "Play the guitar on your MTV"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,372 Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Holy cow, in all these years I never knew that was Sting singing that! TIL! HB Potlood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HB Potlood 33 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Concerning Episode 4 from the second volume of soundtracks, The track "Evil Goo" is played in a different order in the episode, with the final part heard first. The track "Compounding Issues" is split in two, with "Visions" playing in between. Chapter 4 The Whispers of Nockmaar Vol 2.01. Grandma’s House Vol 2.02. Evil Goo (1:48 - end) Vol 2.02. Evil Goo (0:00 - 1:47) Vol 2.03. Hello Lovely Vol 2.04. Voices Vol 2.06. Compounding Issues (0:00 - 1:53) Vol 2.05. Visions Vol 2.06. Compounding Issues (1:55 - end) Vol 2.07. The High Tower Vol 2.08. No Recipe Vol 2.09. I Never Doubted You Black Hole Sun - Nouela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HB Potlood 33 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 In Episode 6, only a small part of "Gesundheit" plays before "Cliff Creeping" and the remainder plays after it. I couldn't find the first 43 seconds from "Gesundheid" in the episode, nor the first 25 from "He Chose You". There is an entire cue missing when they open the secret door that should be placed in the middle of the track "Prodigious Noggin". Chapter 6 Prisoners of Skellin Vol 2.22. Passing the Time Vol 2.23. A Fine Welcome Vol 2.24. Manners Vol 2.25. Gesundheit! (0:44 - 1:04) Vol 2.26. Cliff Creeping Vol 2.25. Gesundheit! (1:05 - end) Vol 2.27. Betrayed Vol 2.28. Fire Up the Troops Vol 2.29. Missing Him Vol 2.30. Search for Wiggleheim Vol 2.31. Prodigious Noggin (possible split at 0:42) Vol 2.32. A Family Heirloom Vol 2.33. Showdown Vol 2.34. What Matters Most Vol 2.35. He Chose You (0:26 - end) Good Vibrations - The Beach Boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tydirium 1,167 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 I really wish Intrada would start doing some Disney+ CD releases. It would be nice to get Williams’ Obi-Wan theme on CD, for instance. Raiders of the SoundtrArk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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