Edmilson 7,611 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 6 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: I was referring to JW "going the whole way", as in finishing what he stared and scoring Daisy's new trilogy. And you just made it even worse Nick1Ø66 and JTN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hooper 1,950 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 What, in the name of all that is wholesome, have I walked into here? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,761 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 58 minutes ago, Jay said: But he is more open. Why do you think he's not? I meant open in the context of Indy and SW, and I didn't see your comment above mine that you reckon Disney is the problem behind these scores and not Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,493 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Right, I know.... why do you think he's unopen to further expansions of Indy and SW? There's zero evidence to support that claim, and plenty of evidence to the contrary - that he's open to expanding every score Mike brings to him JTN and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,761 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I revised the above just before you replied, sorry. Not trying to claim anything at all - I just didn't realise that it's so evident that Disney is the real problem behind Indy/SW inaction, given that Williams has historically clearly been so protective of those franchises. And of course Williams is open wide to expanding his catalog now, but it always seemed those two were guarded far more closely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,493 Posted January 8 Popular Post Share Posted January 8 Ah OK. Well the fact that Mike mentioned on a podcast once that a petition to Disney Records to ask for new complete editions of the SW and Indy scores was a good idea should tell you all you need to know enderdrag64, JTN and ThePenitentMan1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,222 Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 Do you think we should start a petition? ThePenitentMan1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,493 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Couldn't hurt! ThePenitentMan1 and JTN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentMan1 791 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Let's do it! JTN and Mr. Hooper 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,222 Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 Let’s! ThePenitentMan1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentMan1 791 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 So who's going to write it up/host it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,465 Posted January 9 Popular Post Share Posted January 9 21 minutes ago, ThePenitentMan1 said: So who's going to write it up/host it? Thor? Jurassic Shark, A. A. Ron, Edmilson and 3 others 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,231 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 We're doomed! GerateWohl and ThePenitentMan1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,222 Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, ThePenitentMan1 said: So who's going to write it up/host it? It has to be someone whose English is perfect. Jay, Thor, Jurassic Shark, Edmilson are my top candidates. ThePenitentMan1 and Edmilson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,465 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 More interesting is the right petition platform, that is accessible by everyone and might get the required recognition by Disney. ThePenitentMan1 and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentMan1 791 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 49 minutes ago, JTW said: It has to be someone whose English is perfect. Jay, Thor, Jurassic Shark, Edmilson are my top candidates. I mean, in all seriousness, I'm not sure Thor would even care enough about the subject to be willing to write a petition for it. I think Jay's honestly our best bet, should he be willing and able to do it. Nick1Ø66 and JTN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,222 Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, GerateWohl said: More interesting is the right petition platform, that is accessible by everyone and might get the required recognition by Disney. change.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,611 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, ThePenitentMan1 said: I think Jay's honestly our best bet, should he be willing and able to do it. Yep. He's already a somewhat known figure in the JW fandom, having helped on a few John Williams expansions. He'll have a little more influence. ThePenitentMan1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,222 Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 What matters the most is the petition itself and how many people sign it. And of course as much social media attention as possible. I agree that Jay would be ideal to make the petition, but if he wanted to, he would have made it already. I don’t want to put pressure on anyone to make it, but I would be very grateful if someone did, and would sign it in a heartbeat. ThePenitentMan1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,231 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, JTW said: I agree that Jay would be ideal to make the petition, but if he wanted to, he would have made it already. Which means new expansions are already in the works. JTN and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,222 Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 Great deduction, Mr. Holmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo 297 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 10 hours ago, JTW said: Let’s! those are my favorite chips Edmilson and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,222 Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 So no petition then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hooper 1,950 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 But wouldn't it be great if a petition started right here led to a release... We could all say we played a small part. Future generations will have us to thank! Our names will be etched into history!! So who wants to start it? JTN and Edmilson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentMan1 791 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Alright, what does the body of the petition need to cover? Star Wars 1-9 and Indy 1-5 need expanded score releases The most recent expansions are plagued with sound quality issues, and most of them aren't complete (The local experts on each score will have to go into detail on this) The best person to spearhead this project is Mike Matessino, who has an impeccable track record in soundtrack expansions The project should be done as soon as possible before the elements deteriorate any further Anything else? Anything that needs to be put into further detail? JTN and Mr. Hooper 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,747 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Might as well throw any other post-2005 scores John did for Disney in the petition too. JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentMan1 791 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 13 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said: Might as well throw any other post-2005 scores John did for Disney in the petition too. I disagree. The narrower and more specific our request is, the more likely it is it'll get done. It's just Star Wars and Indy we're worried about at the moment. The other post-2005 scores can wait; they aren't going anywhere. Mr. Hooper and JTN 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,661 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I don’t think petitions work, but I said the same thing about the mission to get John Williams a cameo in TROS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,611 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 If petitions worked at all, Kathleen Kennedy would've been out of Lucasfilm and The Last Jedi would've been remade in a more fan-friendly version already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,747 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, ThePenitentMan1 said: I disagree. The narrower and more specific our request is, the more likely it is it'll get done. Well whatever, just show me what to sign and I’ll sign it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hooper 1,950 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: If petitions worked at all, Kathleen Kennedy would've been out of Lucasfilm My guess is getting the expansions should be much easier than trying to oust Kennedy. And we need her to agree with this, so let's be nice. JTN and ThePenitentMan1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,222 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 7 hours ago, ThePenitentMan1 said: Alright, what does the body of the petition need to cover? Star Wars 1-9 and Indy 1-5 need expanded score releases The most recent expansions are plagued with sound quality issues, and most of them aren't complete (The local experts on each score will have to go into detail on this) The best person to spearhead this project is Mike Matessino, who has an impeccable track record in soundtrack expansions The project should be done as soon as possible before the elements deteriorate any further Anything else? Anything that needs to be put into further detail? This is a great start! Don’t let anyone discourage you. If you write the first draft of the petition and put it in here or create a Petition Thread, I’m sure other members will help finalize it. It’s in all our best interest that Disney release these long awaited holy grails of expansions. So please write it if you want and we’ll all help you with the final version. Thanks a lot! ThePenitentMan1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,851 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 7 hours ago, Edmilson said: If petitions worked at all, Kathleen Kennedy would've been out of Lucasfilm and The Last Jedi would've been remade in a more fan-friendly version already. And the original versions of the OT would be on UHD. ThePenitentMan1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,465 Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 10 hours ago, ThePenitentMan1 said: Alright, what does the body of the petition need to cover? Star Wars 1-9 and Indy 1-5 need expanded score releases The most recent expansions are plagued with sound quality issues, and most of them aren't complete (The local experts on each score will have to go into detail on this) The best person to spearhead this project is Mike Matessino, who has an impeccable track record in soundtrack expansions The project should be done as soon as possible before the elements deteriorate any further Anything else? Anything that needs to be put into further detail? Don't put too much into one petition. I wouldn't mix the request for the SW expansions with the Indy expansions. "before the elements deteriorate any further" ...before all living fans are old and deaf or dead, so that we still get to hear them during our lifetime. Nick1Ø66, ThePenitentMan1, Trope and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,222 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 9 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: ...before all living fans are old and deaf or dead, so that we still get to hear them during our lifetime. Meaning NOW!!! Mr. Hooper and ThePenitentMan1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr. Hooper 1,950 Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 2 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said: And the original versions of the OT would be on UHD. That George Lucas is a stubborn one. It must've been a condition of his sale of Star Wars that the OT can never be released in a superior format or quality equal to the Special Editions, or at least not without his say-so. I was surprised that he relented and finally gave it to us in mediocre quality on DVD... Anyway, we have Project 4K77. 11 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: Don't put too much into one petition. I wouldn't mix the request for the SW expansions with the Indy expansions. Yeah, it has a better chance of succeeding if we keep our demands to a minimum. My vote is to keep a laser-like focus on just the Star Wars expansions. ThePenitentMan1, GerateWohl and JTN 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,222 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 And - for now - on the Original Trilogy since those are the best, the classic and the oldest of the Star Wars scores. - Have them restored, remastered and in their Complete form, by Mike Matessino, under the supervision of Maestro John Williams and approved by writer-director-producer George Lucas (if possible). - It’s a matter of preserving some of the most important soundtracks written to some of the most influential and beloved movies in film history, for future generations. Mr. Hooper and ThePenitentMan1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentMan1 791 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 38 minutes ago, JTW said: And - for now - on the Original Trilogy since those are the best, the classic and the oldest of the Star Wars scores. - Have them restored, remastered and in their Complete form, by Mike Matessino, under the supervision of Maestro John Williams and approved by writer-director-producer George Lucas (if possible). - It’s a matter of preserving some of the most important soundtracks written to some of the most influential and beloved movies in film history, for future generations. Yeah! And once Mike earns Disney's trust, they'll be more likely to let him expand the rest of them later! JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,851 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Mr. Hooper said: It must've been a condition of his sale of Star Wars that the OT can never be released in a superior format or quality equal to the Special Editions, or at least not without his say-so. People always assume this, but speaking as an attorney, it would be very unusual, and perhaps unenforceable, to have a contract written like this. Those films belong to Disney now, and they can do what they wish with them. My suspicion is, it's more of a respect thing from Kennedy to Lucas, and perhaps there was a tacit understanding that the originals wouldn't be released, at least while he's alive. All just pure speculation though. Mr. Hooper and mstrox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,661 Posted January 10 Popular Post Share Posted January 10 Nick can you get me out of a moving violation? Edmilson, Mr. Hooper, JTN and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hooper 1,950 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 48 minutes ago, ThePenitentMan1 said: Yeah! And once Mike earns Disney's trust, they'll be more likely to let him expand the rest of them later! I guess it'll depend on the sales figures... Aren’t people saying it's because of the poor sales of the Episode I Ultimate Edition that Disney's being gun-shy? JTN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,851 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 16 minutes ago, mstrox said: Nick can you get me out of a moving violation? Ha ha. I said I'm a lawyer, I'm not your lawyer. JTN and mstrox 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentMan1 791 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 18 minutes ago, Mr. Hooper said: I guess it'll depend on the sales figures... Aren’t people saying it's because of the poor sales of the Episode I Ultimate Edition that Disney's being gun-shy? First I've heard of this. Who's saying that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,661 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Legend has it that Sony didn’t do a planned AOTC Ultimate Edition due to the feedback from the TPM release. I doubt the memory is that long across 25 years, a corporate acquisition, and a change in record label. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePenitentMan1 791 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, mstrox said: Legend has it that Sony didn’t do a planned AOTC Ultimate Edition due to the feedback from the TPM release. I doubt the memory is that long across 25 years, a corporate acquisition, and a change in record label. The negative feedback of the UE, I'm aware of, but I haven't heard the bit where the UE had poor sales and that that's why Disney won't do new expansions for Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hooper 1,950 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 12 minutes ago, ThePenitentMan1 said: The negative feedback of the UE, I'm aware of, but I haven't heard the bit where the UE had poor sales and that that's why Disney won't do new expansions for Star Wars. That's just the theory I've seen floated around the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTN 2,222 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 2 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Those films belong to Disney now, and they can do what they wish with them. I think STAR WARS (1977) still belongs to George Lucas. Disney can't touch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 4,851 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, JTW said: I think STAR WARS (1977) still belongs to George Lucas. Disney can't touch it. Star Wars (1977) belongs to the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hooper 1,950 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Star Wars (1977) belongs to the fans. Nick1Ø66 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,611 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 7 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: Star Wars (1977) belongs to the fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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