Henry B 50 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 All I've heard from him is Much Ado About Nothing within the film and all I heard was a bunch of waltzy stuff. Eh.That's unfortunate, then. You should hear Henry V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 No,I'm just saying composers like JNH write nice music,but I get very bored halfway through the albums because either the main theme is very repetitive or the underscore is uninteresting.Waterworld is a good example.K.M.If Greta was here right now, she'd kick your ass!Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 The second half of the score of Atlantis: the Lost Empire is everything but boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturgisPodmore 0 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 If Greta was here right now, she'd kick your ass!Heck, I'm here right now!~Sturgis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Greta's with Sturgis now?Marian - Rambo - First Blood Part II (Jerry Goldsmith) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturgisPodmore 0 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 That was meant as "I'm here (meaning the board), so I'll kick his ass instead!"~Sturgis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 Yes. That was strange. Justin - Hoping Greta isn't stuck in traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 8O That was meant as "I'm here (meaning the board), so I'll kick his ass instead!"~SturgisOh no, Sturgis. What is that you have taken out of your pants and pointing at me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 hey,the MB is full of JWfan Younglings...K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 I blame the parents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy 0 Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 Doyle's scoring of 'Mary Shelley's Frankenstein' sounds pretty impressive, although it doesn't feature really strong themes. It just sounds... big. Big and rousing.So I'm not worried about his scoring for the dragon-scenes and the meeting with Voldemort... But I'm having doubts about his ability to write good themes.- Willy, who still can't wait for November 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 But I'm having doubts about his ability to write good themes.Much Ado About Nothing.Marian - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 Much Ado About Nothing.Pretty much sums up my feeling on this entire topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturgisPodmore 0 Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 And yet you nevertheless enter it.~Sturgis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 Stefancos doesn't enter, he just never leaves. He's in every thread, eternally. He has become the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 But I'm having doubts about his ability to write good themes.Much Ado About Nothing.Marian - Exactly,what an annoying score.k.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 Doyle's scoring of 'Mary Shelley's Frankenstein' sounds pretty impressive, although it doesn't feature really strong themes. It just sounds... big. Big and rousing.So I'm not worried about his scoring for the dragon-scenes and the meeting with Voldemort... But I'm having doubts about his ability to write good themes.- Willy, who still can't wait for November 8.The love theme of Frankenstein, although scarcely used in the score, his one of the best I have ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy 0 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 Doyle's scoring of 'Mary Shelley's Frankenstein' sounds pretty impressive, although it doesn't feature really strong themes. It just sounds... big. Big and rousing.So I'm not worried about his scoring for the dragon-scenes and the meeting with Voldemort... But I'm having doubts about his ability to write good themes.- Willy, who still can't wait for November 8.The love theme of Frankenstein, although scarcely used in the score, his one of the best I have ever heard.You're perfectly right, I forgot to mention the love theme. But as you already pointed out, it only surfaces in a couple of tracks, and the remainder of the score consists mostly of 'grand sounds'. I like the score nevertheless, but it doesn't compare to the leitmotiv-approach of Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 Williams didn't exactly employ the leitmotif approach for POA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 Even if you have my word, that MY word, that he is one of the very best film composers nowadays?All I've heard from him is Much Ado About Nothing within the film and all I heard was a bunch of waltzy stuff. Eh. You should listen to it again. It is a rich, wonderful score, has great, memorable themes, and several show stopping tracks. I have no doubt the score will sound "nice",and the orchestrations will be polished.But there's no way Doyle will write themes as memorable as Hedwig's Theme or Harry's Wondrous World,because he never has and because nobody except Williams can write these kind of themes.Horner could... back in '82. Arnold can. So can Poledouris. As can Joel Goldsmith. Granted, in their own way. Doyle most certainly can. He has, on several occaisions. With Doyle I expect "melodic filler music" of the kind that James Newton Howard writes,or like that Neverland score from last year.Or not so melodic. Doyle is as melodic a composer as they come. If he would've scored War of the Worlds, you'd almost certainly have a much more melodic score than JW's. His scores have almost no filler music, and his scores are generally much more tolerable than the Finding Neveland score. Doyle's scoring of 'Mary Shelley's Frankenstein' sounds pretty impressive, although it doesn't feature really strong themes. It just sounds... big. Big and rousing.So I'm not worried about his scoring for the dragon-scenes and the meeting with Voldemort... But I'm having doubts about his ability to write good themes.- Willy, who still can't wait for November 8. Frankenstein is an exception in Doyle's work. As you said, it doesn't strongly feature a main theme, but it is big, and dramatic. And the love theme is very good. Listen to Great Expectations or Little Princess if you're looking for great melody (that's if Henry V or Much Ado About Nothing don't convince you). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 All I've heard from him is Much Ado About Nothing within the film and all I heard was a bunch of waltzy stuff. Eh. You should listen to it again. It is a rich, wonderful score, has great, memorable themes, and several show stopping tracks.And no waltzy stuff, coming to think of it.That main title sequence is a great example of good film scoring, it has a big, bold theme and flows absolutely fine, yet it perfectly hits countless visual moments. Frankenstein is an exception in Doyle's work. As you said, it doesn't strongly feature a main theme, but it is big, and dramatic. And the love theme is very good.It's among the best love themes I know. And Doyle brings it up in so many amazing variations. The album really doesn't do it justice in that regard, I desperately want those (waltzy, by the way) source cues.Marian - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 The Creation track and the End Credits are also great tracks from Frankenstein. The opening track is great too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturgisPodmore 0 Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 Listen to Great Expectations if you're looking for great melody.Estella's Theme= ~Sturgis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 The Creation from Frankenstein = utterly amazing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 Listen to Great Expectations if you're looking for great melody.Estella's Theme= ~Sturgis It most certainly is. But what's so great about Doyle is that of course you've got the straight forward playing of the theme, and then he does a mind blowing variation, in this case, 'Kissing in The Rain', one of the finest film cues ever, on album and on film. And he does this in several of his scores. A fantastic theme, played out in an absolutely amazing way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 A long time ago,someone made me a tape that had some of Doyle's Frankenstein music.I listened to it once and I don't remember anything memorable about it,at least not in a JW kind of way.Big sound with lush orchestration does not necessarely mean great themes.LotR is an example.Williams could whip up a better "fellowship theme" in his sleep.k.m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 Well, the Fellowship theme is a pretty crappy theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturgisPodmore 0 Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 It's quite simple, but I love it.~Sturgis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 Big themes with lush orchestration do not necessarily mean great scores.Marian - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesie 1 Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 Yes, but IMO, a simple themed score like (all) Lord of the Rings makes for a dour listening experience. Very boring. I am sure in many cases, this is not true. But with LotR, I can't sit through the CD. And by simple, I mean subtle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 There are so many subtle themes in LOTR, I wouldn't call it simple.Marian - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I wouldn't call it lushly orchestrated either. But he did do it all himself, and I still like the scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 There some good themes in LOTR, but the Fellowship theme is not one of them. It just sounds so predictable... I don't know. There's nothing to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 If the "Fellowship Theme" is the same thing I'm thinking of, then it bears a strong resemblance to a theme from the 1940 serial, Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe. I'm sure it was tracked into that serial, but I have no idea where the music originally came from.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 "Fellowship Theme" sounds like the end of "The Final Game" from The Natural.Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,694 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Nothing wrong with the Fellowship theme. Sure, it's predictable, but then the BotH theme is pretty predictable and simple and yet it's still good in context.I don't think something has to be thickly orchestrated to be good - that's just how JW does things and I don't think we should compare them all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Battle of the Heroes is a simple theme,but it's also very "John Williams",so that makes it good.Anyways it's better than the Fellowship theme which is "videogame" quality.K.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 I spontaneously picked up Doyle's Great Expectations at the store the other night, feeling that I should get to know him before the release of his biggest score yet. I'd already heard "Estella's Theme" and "Kissing in the Rain," which are both great (especially the latter!) so I had high hopes. I'm reserving judgment for now . . . but my reaction isn't what I'd hoped it would be, regarding much of what I've heard. If anyone wants to try to "sell" me on the score, feel free. I haven't heard much about it here.Ray Barnsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 It's good that you wasted 20 bucks just to check it out.K.M.Who,if any of Doyles score had attracted his eardrums attention,would have bought some of them long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 As simply as BOTH is, it contains devolpments and orchestrations that the Fellowship theme sadly doesn't have. Besides, the melody itself is just so damn cheesy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,198 Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 devolpments and orchestrations that the Fellowship theme sadly doesn't havePerhaps not, but it's still a wonderful main theme, and it does come in various disguises (Journey to Weathertop...). BotH on the other hand works quite well for the battle, but other than that, it isn't very remarkable.Marian - who finds it overrated. Dangerous Beauty (George Fenton) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 I agree with Marian, it's a nice theme, but pales in comparison to many other SW themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orson 1 Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 "Fellowship Theme" sounds like the end of "The Final Game" from The Natural.JustinGlad I wasn't the only one to notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 The Main Theme to Star Wars sounds like King's Row.What exactly is your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 BOTH is an action.fighting theme. It doesn't have to be versatile.The Fellowship theme just souds bad. I don't have any other way to put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Battle of the Heroes is a simple theme,but it's also very "John Williams",so that makes it good.Anyways it's better than the Fellowship theme which is "videogame" quality. Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orson 1 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 The Main Theme to Star Wars sounds like King's Row.What exactly is your point?What do you think the point was? Simply acknowledging that I'm glad I wasn't the only one to hear the similarity. Don't worry, I'm not insinuating that Shore stole or borrowed from that piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 He would've to have some pretty bad taste to copy a theme like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 I spontaneously picked up Doyle's Great Expectations at the store the other night, feeling that I should get to know him before the release of his biggest score yet. I'd already heard "Estella's Theme" and "Kissing in the Rain," which are both great (especially the latter!) so I had high hopes. I'm reserving judgment for now . . . but my reaction isn't what I'd hoped it would be, regarding much of what I've heard. If anyone wants to try to "sell" me on the score, feel free. I haven't heard much about it here. I don't know really how to sell it, the theme I immidiatley loved. All I can do is suggest you listen to the CD a few times, and maybe rent the film, that helped sell the score to me. If I can make a suggestion- if you're interested in sampling some of Doyle's work before maybe buying it, you can PM me. Anyone else interested can PM as well, if interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin 2 Posted September 29, 2005 Share Posted September 29, 2005 Battle of the Heroes is a simple theme,but it's also very "John Williams",so that makes it good.Anyways it's better than the Fellowship theme which is "videogame" quality.Justin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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