Dean1700 4 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Several posts/polls have shown that the majority of the members here believe that the best scores by John Williams are both Superman and The Empire Strikes Back.Ok. So what is the best scores from the other major composers?James Horner, Michael Kamen, James Newton Howard, Hans Zimmer, Alan Silvestri, Basil Poledouris, Danny Elfman, David Arnold and the late, great Jerry Goldsmith and Elmer Bernstein.James Horner - TitanicAlan Silvestri - Back To The FutureDavid Arnold - Independence DayHans Zimmer - Crimson TideBasil Poledouris - Conan The BarbarianDanny Elfman - BatmanFeel free to add others that I have missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Several posts/polls have shown that the majority of the members here believe that the best scores by John Williams are both Superman and The Empire Strikes Back.Did you noticed you forgot "Raiders of the Lost Ark"?!? Althought I like The Last Crusade a little more.Alan Silvestri's best are Forrest Gump and The Mummy Returns.Regarding Kamen, I know him mostly for the De Hard Trilogy, but I can't choose one.Ennio Morricone - The Good, the bad, the uglyI add only this, because Morlock will do this for me, and I will agree with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Rachel Portman - Only You.Jerry Goldsmith - Basic Instinct. Hans Zimmer - The Lion King.John Williams - Schindler's List. John Barry - Out of Africa. Ennio Morricone - I only know a few scores by him, but for me Lolita. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean1700 4 Posted December 30, 2004 Author Share Posted December 30, 2004 Sure. Raiders is a good score and you won't hear an argument from me but in the opinion of the majority of JWNet members, from previous posts/polls, is that both Superman and Empire is JW's best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Most of these composers are still alive..... do you even listen to music that's older than you. Alex North- SpartacusMiklos Rozsa - Ben HurBernard Herrmann - VertigoAlfred Newman - The RobeMax Steiner- GOne with the windErich Wolfgang Korngold - The adventures of robin hood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halloran 0 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 - Hellraiser & Hellraiser 2 - Christopher Young- Aliens & Willow - James Honer- Conan - Basil Poledouris- True Romance - Hans Zimmer- Edward Scissorhands - Elfman- Alien - Goldsmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Am I having a dejà-vu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 James Horner - BraveheartEnnio Morricone - The MissionJerry Goldsmith - Under FireHans Zimmer - The Lion KingElmer Bernstein - The Age Of InnocenceDanny Elfman - Edward ScissorhandsBasil Poledouris - Conan The BarbarianAlan Silvestri - Forrest Gump David Arnold - Independence DayJames Newton Howard - DinosaurRoald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Jerry Goldsmith - Under FireYou are kidding, right?Best + Jerry Goldsmith = Star Trek: TMPThat's a mathematical formula, not an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 That's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Jerry Goldsmith = Star Trek: TMPJames Horner = BraveheartDavid Arnold = Tomorrow Never DiesAlan Silvestri = The Mummy ReturnsHoward Shore = The Lord Of The RingsEnnio Morricone = The UntouchablesBasil Poledouris = Conan the Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Best + Jerry Goldsmith = Star Trek: TMPHey, I like the score for Star Trek: TMP, but I never really loved it. The main title theme is a little too jolly, too carnavalesque for my taste. Love the Klingon theme though and the structure and complexity of The Enterprise cue (even due the latter uses the main title theme as it's orientation point).The main title theme makes me do a nerdy, happy dance instead of giving me goosebumps or giving me the feeling: "Wow filmmusic can be so cool".The Star Wars main title can do all those things for me. Star Trek's TMP theme simply cannot. I know I discard the entire score now based on my interpretation of the main theme. That's not really fair. On a whole Under Fire has nothing that I dislike; it's a unique score and there is no composer who wrote something that good in the same idiom. But to find an equal for Goldsmith's utterly romantic and modernistic The Motion Picture score... that can be done: The Empire Strikes Back or Superman. Both are vastly superior in my opinion.Roald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 I know I discard the entire score now based on my interpretation of the main theme. That's not really fair. On a whole Under Fire has nothing that I dislike; it's a unique score and there is no composer who wrote something that good in the same idiom. But to find an equal for Goldsmith's utterly romantic and modernistic The Motion Picture score... that can be done: The Empire Strikes Back or Superman. Both are vastly superior in my opinion.RoaldMy guess is that this might have more to do with the fact that the theme suffered from overuse due to TNG, were it was performed by a smaller orchestra, kinda dulling the effects.Forget TNG, Goldsmith Main Title for TMP is brilliant, better then Superman, better then TESB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Goldsmith Main Title for TMP is brilliantYES better then Superman, better then TESB.NO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 797 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Forget TNG, Goldsmith Main Title for TMP is brilliant, better then Superman, better then TESB.It's extraorninary arrangment-wise. The orchestration of the piece is probably beyond Williams' capabilities. No doubt there. But purely thematically speaking, the theme is nowhere near the class of, let's say, The Imperial March, Luke Skywalker's Theme or even Superman's Theme. But I'll listen to it tonight again. It was written during my favorite years in film music: the mid '70's to the early '80's when Williams and Goldsmith ruled the world with their great symphonic and romantic masterpieces...Roald Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Forget TNG, Goldsmith Main Title for TMP is brilliant, better then Superman, better then TESB.Superman may be equal to TMP, but they are both superior to ESB.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Superman may be equal to TMP, but they are both inferior to ESB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 What isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Superman may be equal to TMP, but they are both inferior to ESB.Superman may be equal to ESB, but they are both superior to TMP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 James Horner - BraveheartDavid Arnold - Independence DayHoward Shore - The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the RingDanny Elfman - Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 TMP may be equal to ESB, but they are both clearly superior to Superman.Marian - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Superman may be superior to TMP, but they are both inferior to ESB.- Marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 John Williams may be superior to Zimmer, but they are both to Illayarajajulcrappyindianunknowncomposerjeyarla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Sorry folks but some of you are insane, please check yourselves back into your rooms now.Star Trek the Motion Picture is a better score than ESB, without any doubt, and its probably a better score overall even over Superman.Only the Love Theme from Superman rival's Jerry's Enterprise. I will grant that for 4 straight years the Oscars went to the wrong scores, but ESB is the least of these, and it takes a back seat to Raiders as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Joe you are a very silly man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 just for the record jedimaster, here it the official JW's top 101. THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, 1980, 917PTS, 109 VOTES OUT OF 129 2. E.T. THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL, 1982, 754PTS, 108 VOTES 3. RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, 1981, 520PTS, 85 VOTES 4. STAR WARS, 472PTS, 1977, 75 VOTES 5. SUPERMAN THE MOVIE, 458PTS, 1978 81 VOTES 6. SCHINDLERS LIST, 1993, 423PTS, 75 VOTES 7. JURASSIC PARK, 1993, 348PTS, 68 VOTES 8. HOOK, 1991, 339PTS, 66 VOTES 9. JAWS, 1975, 283PTS, 61 VOTES 10. RETURN OF THE JEDI, 1983, 281PTS, 46 VOTES And for those who care the next 5 are 11. Close Encounters of the Third Kind, 1977, 260pts, 50 votes 12. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, 1989, 211pts, 44 votes 13. Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone, 2001, 190pts, 43 votes 14. A.I. Artificial Intelligence, 2001, 181pts, 43 votes 15. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, 146pts, 35 votes. Interestingly enough I do know several lists contained 9 of the Top 10. Special kudo's to Sissorhands for his list which only contained one of the top 10. He has the most unique list of those who participated, which goes to show that we have a wide variety of tastes here.while I don't agree with several of the choices, ESB, SL, and Hook, would never make a top 10 list for me, but I accepted the boards findings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Joe you are a very silly man. Looking at this thread, it seem that ESB sucks.I don't think ESB sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Sorry folks but some of you are insane, please check yourselves back into your rooms now.Star Trek the Motion Picture is a better score than ESB, without any doubt, and its probably a better score overall even over Superman.That's what I've been saying! It seems Garth of Izar has let everyone out!Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 1. THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, 1980, 917PTS, 109 VOTES OUT OF 129 2. E.T. THE EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL, 1982, 754PTS, 108 VOTES 3. RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK, 1981, 520PTS, 85 VOTES 4. STAR WARS, 472PTS, 1977, 75 VOTES 5. SUPERMAN THE MOVIE, 458PTS, 1978 81 VOTES 6. SCHINDLERS LIST, 1993, 423PTS, 75 VOTES 7. JURASSIC PARK, 1993, 348PTS, 68 VOTES 8. HOOK, 1991, 339PTS, 66 VOTES 9. JAWS, 1975, 283PTS, 61 VOTES 10. RETURN OF THE JEDI, 1983, 281PTS, 46 VOTES It is impossible to disagree with that list. Unless for number 10, which is more arguable, it's all spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Am I having a dejà-vu?I'm glad I'm not the only one.Goldsmith- Star Trek:TPMArnold- Independence DaySilvestri- Back to the FutureKamen- Robin Hood: Prince of ThievesHorner- Star Trek II or WillowShore- LotR: The Fellowship of the RingUematsu- Final Fantasy VI John- glad Joe dug up the old Official Top 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 John- glad Joe dug up the old Official Top 10Let's make a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Yeah, why not. We have new members, new scores, changed opinions. Could be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Goldsmith: ST:TMPNorth: Agony & EcstasyHerrmann: Vertigo or Citizen KaneHorner: BraveheartElfman: Edward BatmanhandsBernstein: To Kill a MockingbirdGoldenthal: Final FantasyRosza: El CidSteiner: King KongAs for Williams, I'd say the Star Wars Trilogy (with ESB as the high point), E.T., Schindler's List, CEot3K, and Raiders. Jaws may be a great score, but it isnt the same kind of total musical experience "gesamptkunstwerk" that those others are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Goldsmith's main theme for TMP is brilliant. I'd rate it above just about any Star Wars, Indiana Jones, or Superman theme (if not by a large margin). As for the score as a whole, I have yet to discover the brilliance or the V'gar cues (I'm only a callow youth), so the score is amazing, but not quite as good as the best of Williams from that period. I find the main theme a bit cumbersome in the movie, and while The Enterprise remains one of the absolute greatest cues in the history of man, in also underlines how cumbersome and unfocused the movie could be. While I thank whoever's reponsible for enabing Goldsmith to write the cue, everytime I listen to it I think about the unfocused qualitied that IMO sank the movie. And, alas, without discovering the mysteries of the V'gar, the score is still a number of amazing highlights including 3 of the absolute best themes ever written, not overall as amazing as Superman or ESB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HPFAN_2 0 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Thomas Newman-Finding NemoJames Newton Howard- Peter PanMicheal Giachinno(sp?) -The InrediblesBernard Hermann- Citizen KaneDanny Elfman - Spiderman 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Thomas Newman-Finding Nemo Micheal Giachinno(sp?) -The InrediblesMichael Giacchino.It's not hard to type. Actually it's easier that Illaayarayrarass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Jerry Goldsmith - Legend or The Omen TrilogyDanny Elfman - Black Beauty or SommersbyJames Horner - Troy (I don't know his other works that well)Howard Shore - The Lord of the Rings: The Two TowersBernard Herrmann - Vertigo or Citizen KaneBasil Poledouris - RoboCopHans Zimmer - Crimson Tide (his only good score)David Arnold - Stargate, Independence Day and Godzilla (poor David hasn't done anything noteworthy since then) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKenLittle 6 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Goldsmith = ST:TMP (or Patton, depends on the day of the week)Horner = BrainstormBernstein = The Magnificent Seven (or Hawaii, depends on the month)Elfman = BatmanNorth = Spartacus (or Cleopatra, depends on the lunar cycle)Rozsa = Ben Hur (or Spellbound, depends on the Wheel of Fish)Newmans;Thomas = The Shawshank RedemptionRandy = Ragtime (or The Natural depends on who wins the World Series)David = Galaxy Quest (so far, his best is yet to come)Alfred = Anastasia (or Song of Bernadette, depends on the Vatican's position)Arnold = Tomorrow Never DiesSteiner = Now VoyagerKorngold = The Sea Hawkmore to comeBKL White Knight, David Arnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Newmans;Thomas = The Shawshank RedemptionRandy = Ragtime (or The Natural depends on who wins the World Series)David = Galaxy Quest (so far, his best is yet to come)Alfred = Anastasia (or Song of Bernadette, depends on the Vatican's position)Arnold = Tomorrow Never DiesI didn't know "Tomorrow Never Dies" was scored by Arnold Newman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 (poor David hasn't done anything noteworthy since then)Cough, Baby Boy, cough, Shaft, cough, The Stepford Wives, cough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 , The Stepford Wives, cough. Cough, indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigKenLittle 6 Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 Newmans;Thomas = The Shawshank RedemptionRandy = Ragtime (or The Natural depends on who wins the World Series)David = Galaxy Quest (so far, his best is yet to come)Alfred = Anastasia (or Song of Bernadette, depends on the Vatican's position)Arnold = Tomorrow Never DiesI didn't know "Tomorrow Never Dies" was scored by Arnold Newman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewdog1 50 Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 Some of these lists are a bit hard to conjur up, but here goes: (this maybe different from an earlier list I did, but I'm now more familiar with more bits of work.Goldsmith: ST: TMP - duhhhhhHorner: Braveheart, with Apollo 13 a close second.Arnold: Tomorrow Never DiesMorricone: The Mission or Once Upon a Time in the WestZimmer: GladiatorVangelis: Blade RunnerKamen: BrazilBernstien: The Magnificent SevenShore: LOTR - Besides, what else is there? Seriously?Basil: Conan the Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRuleOfThirds 0 Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 Jerry Goldsmith: Total Recall or AlienJames Horner: Apollo 13 or Star Trek IIMichael Kamen: License to Kill or Lethal Weapon 3 (what the hell am I supposed to put? These are the only two I know)David Arnold: Tomorrow Never Dies (yeah, this one's for sure)John Barry: You Only Live TwiceVangelis: Blade Runner (the main title came up as I was typing this)Randy Newman: MaverickElmer Bernstein: To Kill a MockingbirdMiklos Rozsa: Ben-HurAlan Silvestri: Back to the FutureDanny Elfman: Pee Wee's Big Adventure or Batman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 It seems Garth of Izar has let everyone outQueen to Queens level 3, Moderator Shore: LOTR - Besides, what else is there? Seriously? Silence of the Lambs. That's a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McClane 1 Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 Michael Kamen: License to Kill or Lethal Weapon 3 (what the hell am I supposed to put? These are the only two I know)DIE HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It's a trilogy of films with Bruce Willis. You know, they're pretty famous Alan Silvestri: Back to the FutureI still prefer Forrest Gump or The Mummy Returns.IMO, the Back to the future Trilogy scores are a bit overrated.End of the post.Smnol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 Band of Brothers is pretty good too, and so is Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, which features an awesome main theme. Too bad I've not really had the opportunity to dive into Kamen's work yet. I'm not really familiar with all of his stuff (certainly not the Die Hard/Lethal Weapon series), so I can't really say what his absolute best is. But his music is always pretty good to great. I even love his score to X-Men, which has been put down by a lot of people as lacking a strong superhero theme, and being simply too bland and quiet for a superhero movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 Michael Kamen, Robin Hood: Prince of Theives. Your search for his best is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 What happened to TinTin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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