A24 4,338 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Maybe I'm just remembering things wrong, but 10 years ago, the masses were stroking off to Episode III. They were all there opening weekend, even after supposedly enduring the previous allegedly God awful abominations. What happened?Who knows, perhaps people rewatched them and changed their mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Maybe I'm just remembering things wrong, but 10 years ago, the masses were stroking off to Episode III. They were all there opening weekend, even after supposedly enduring the previous allegedly God awful abominations. What happened?That they had liked the previous ones. Or not. Or they were curious. Or they were dragged there because there wasn't much else to see. Or there was but they'd already seen it or it wasn't out yet, Or they wanted to see the story unfold and "end" anyways. Or they hoped this one would be different. Or they just went to the cinema regularly. Or they had nothing to do that evening. And there must have been that very small group of nerds who wanted to hear the music at the cinema or see what was missing from the CD So many possible things. I've sometimes enjoyed going to the cinema even if I wan't going to see anything great. I don't think there's a lot of mystery to it.It would be interesting to see if back then, with no crisis and lower price tickets, there was more attendance to cinemas. A less picky audience, perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,395 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Maybe I'm just remembering things wrong, but 10 years ago, the masses were stroking off to Episode III. They were all there opening weekend, even after supposedly enduring the previous allegedly God awful abominations. What happened?I'm not being sarcastic at all: I was at Episode III because it was Star Wars. Episode II felt like a gut punch, far beyond Phantom Menace. (I saw PM four times in the theater. It wasn't Star Wars or Empire, but I liked it.) Seeing episode III was just finishing it out. III is the only Star Wars film I only saw once. (I saw II twice because of a social commitment.)As for "social acceptance", I'm one of the only nerds that I know that doesn't like the Lord of the Rings films. I'm a rebel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Are you also a loner, Dottie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 As for "social acceptance", I'm one of the only nerds that I know that doesn't like the Lord of the Rings films. I'm a rebel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,395 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I'll be careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 You'll be Dead!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 This is pretty well done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,395 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 I didn't understand the first 13 seconds.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 That was actually pretty fascinating to watch...not so sure about the sound design, but the visuals are stunning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 George Lucas Explains Why Greedo Shoots At Han Solo First in Star Wars Special Editions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Not the worst explanation in the world, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 But not the best either, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Does that mean it's juuuust right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 It's... It's OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Does that mean it's juuuust right?No it means it's just wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The script never indicates that Greedo shoots and if he was meant to shoot first, why would Jabba question Han killing him?Eh, whatever. All these recent Lucas comments are just baffling.I liked Ford's response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,395 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 It's ridiculous. Nice to know that if someone holds a gun on me and tells me that they're going to kill me and I manage to defend myself that I'm "a cold blooded killer."And I'm pretty sure that John Wayne in The Searchers would have killed Greedo before he got to the bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 It's a stupid debate. People need to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 if he was meant to shoot first, why would Jabba question Han killing him?Because he was not there and does not know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 It's a stupid debate. People need to move on.Finn shot first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 It's a stupid debate. People need to move on. Finn shot first!Urgh, everyone knows it was constable Zuvio! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I'd put money on a badass Han moment in the sequels where he "shoots first." crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I'd put money on a badass Han moment in the sequels where he "shoots first."I'll throw up when it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 George Lucas Explains Why Greedo Shoots At Han Solo First in Star Wars Special EditionsWhy didn't he think of all that in 1977? Lack of technology? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Definitely seems a little lame, like the reference to shooting the swordsman in Temple of Doom, but I bet we'll see it happen before this is through. If not in the prequels, then in the Solo anthology.A big problem in sequels generally, and Star Wars specifically, is that the characters seem to always be talking about events or lines of dialogue from the previous movies. I'd much rather hear a reference to some unseen "Battle of Tanaab" in Return of the Jedi, for instance, than a callback to the "I love you/I know" dialogue. Many SW books are full of this stuff - even books that take place a decade or two after the original trilogy, all the characters do is talk about moments from those movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 George Lucas Explains Why Greedo Shoots At Han Solo First in Star Wars Special EditionsEvery time I see the movie, Han shoots first. He always be. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Keep telling yourself that, darling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,395 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 George Lucas Explains Why Greedo Shoots At Han Solo First in Star Wars Special EditionsEvery time I see the movie, Han shoots first. He always be. Period.Does anyone shoot second? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 You are a new Star Wars fan?Don't read the track names on the albums before seing the 6 movies!Star WarsDestruction Of AlderaanBen Kenobi's Death/Tie Fighter AttackThe Empire Strikes Back Jedi Master Revealed/Mynock CaveThe Training Of A Jedi Knight/The Magic TreeThe Clash Of LightsabersReturn of the Jedi Han Solo ReturnsThe Emperor Arrives/The Death Of Yoda/Obi-Wan's RevelationBrother And Sister/Father And Son/The Fleet Enters Hyperspace/Heroic EwokThe Battle Of Endor II (Leia Is Wounded — The Duel Begins/Overtaking The Bunker/The Dark Side Beckons/The Emperor's Death)The Battle Of Endor III (Superstructure Chase/Death Vader's Death/The Main Reactor)Star Wars – Episode I: The Phantom Menace He Is The Chosen OneQui-Gon's Noble EndThe High Council Meeting / Qui-Gon's FuneralStar Wars – Episode III: Revenge Of The Sith Anakin's BetrayalAnakin vs. Obi-WanThe Immolation SceneThe Birth Of The Twins And Padmé's Destiny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 There's a clash of lightsabers? WHAAAAAAAAA??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Definitely seems a little lame, like the reference to shooting the swordsman in Temple of DoomNever found the TOD reference lame. Great moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Fantastic moment!Though it feels a bit odd when you take into account the fact that TOD is a prequel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 TOD is only a prequel in George Lucas's mind! It was written and shot as a sequel, with the date that appears in the opening sequence changed late in the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 We need a TOD special edition that fixes that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,395 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 TOD is only a prequel in George Lucas's mind! It was written and shot as a sequel, with the date that appears in the opening sequence changed late in the game!I recall seeing an interview with Ford explaining that he is now five years older than Jones and that "he could feel it". I seem to remember this being shot on set.But if I'm totally misremembering this then why was it changed to being before Raiders?Assuming that the sword fight in Raiders had never happened would Indy's reaction to the swordsmen and finding he was unarmed be any different "in universe"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 TOD is a prequel in my mind as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 George Lucas decided that people would wonder where Marion was and why he was shown to be sceptical after everything he saw in Raiders, so it was changed to a prequel. Of course, the only indicator in the entire film of it being a prequel or sequel is the date chiron at the beginning of the film. No references to Raiders are made in any way at all other than the Sword Trick joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 Jones is a ladies man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,395 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 George Lucas decided that people would wonder where Marion was and why he was shown to be sceptical after everything he saw in Raiders, so it was changed to a prequel.And now people wonder where Willie was during Raiders."I don't believe in magic, a lot of superstitious hocus pocus." "But didn't you tell me you found the lost Sankara Stones in India last year?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 In my mind TOD plays better as a sequel. Simply another adventure Indy goes on after the one we saw in the first movie.If I was going to sit down and watch all three movies, I'd never watch TOD first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I've found that the "nocturnal activities" part of the movie has inspirational .... Aphrodisiac qualities. We wouldn't make it through the rest of the films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 In my mind TOD plays better as a sequel. Simply another adventure Indy goes on after the one we saw in the first movie.If I was going to sit down and watch all three movies, I'd never watch TOD first.Always Watch movies where George Lucas is involved in the order the movies came out, whatever he or other may says."I keep telling you, you listen to me more, you live longer!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 George Lucas Explains Why Greedo Shoots At Han Solo First in Star Wars Special EditionsJUST DIE LUCAS DIE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I found this statement very chilling:"Han Solo was going to marry Leia, and you look back and say, ‘Should he be a cold-blooded killer?'Remember in KOTCS how Indiana Jones didn't kill anyone and got married in a church at the end? I've theorized for years that this was the logic behind that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,483 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I found this statement very chilling:"Han Solo was going to marry Leia, and you look back and say, ‘Should he be a cold-blooded killer?'Remember in KOTCS how Indiana Jones didn't kill anyone and got married in a church at the end? I've theorized for years that this was the logic behind that.Hey, we don't love George Lucas for his logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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