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[Jarbas]

According to the site Superman Homepage . Maybe a well-known composer would return? I think it's unlikely...

[Charlie Brigden]

According to the site Superman Homepage . Maybe a well-known composer would return? I think it's unlikely...

Somehow, Chris Columbus and Christopher Nolan doesn't fit at all. I somehow don't buy this.

[Jason LeBlanc]

http://jwfan.com/for...showtopic=16439

[Henry Buck]

What in the fuck?

[artyjeffrey]

(sigh) Okay, once and for all, there's no "dark" version of Superman. Superman is like a hot dog, coca-cola, and a pair of Levis. He's Americana. He's not this brooding character like Bats. That's why you never saw, in a comic at least, Superman standing atop the Daily Planet building, crouched down, brow furrowed,.... brooding. Brooding because it's supposed to be cool. Just because.

Nope. Superman is about resilience, that's why he exploded on the scene so strongly during the Depression. The guy lost his parents, is the last of his kind, is and will always be an alien on this planet, and yet he can still smile and not walk around pissed off at everyone. He's Superman $*#*&#@ it!

[Alexcremers]

Yeah, but the new generation is not attracted to that, Jeffrey. They think those sorta characters belong to the innocent Johnny Weismuller era. So reboot it is!


Alex

[Mark Olivarez]

John Williams won't score this, unless Spielbeg directs.

[Joe Brausam]

(sigh) Okay, once and for all, there's no "dark" version of Superman. Superman is like a hot dog, coca-cola, and a pair of Levis. He's Americana. He's not this brooding character like Bats. That's why you never saw, in a comic at least, Superman standing atop the Daily Planet building, crouched down, brow furrowed,.... brooding. Brooding because it's supposed to be cool. Just because.

Nope. Superman is about resilience, that's why he exploded on the scene so strongly during the Depression. The guy lost his parents, is the last of his kind, is and will always be an alien on this planet, and yet he can still smile and not walk around pissed off at everyone. He's Superman $*#*&#@ it!

I agree completely and that's one of the reasons why I respect Superman, symbolically, much more than I can ever respect Batman. Superman is, in a way, the embodiment of everything good and what people should strive to be.

[Delorean90]

I don't know about this. Columbus's tendency towards more lighthearted ventures makes this rumor a good sign--if true--but I don't know enough of his directing hand to gauge how I feel about him helming Superman. Honestly, I think it's a no-brainer to make Superman the lighter hero in the darkness of the times. I find it very hard to believe Nolan and Goyer have their heads so far up their butts about dark and gritty that they wouldn't get the character. We'll see what comes of this, though.

[E.T. & Elliott]

One of my beefs with Dark Knight was how clingy and pathetic they portrayed Bruce Wayne when it came to that Rachel broad. They did the same thing a couple years earlier in Superman Returns when you see emo Supes spying on Lois Lane and moping around for an hour. I get that these characters carry a lot of emotional baggage, but the relationship shit was unbearable. These characters are supposed to be fun and the epitome of badassery. I wanted to see Batman turn away Harvey's squeeze (!) because he needed to go and fight the villain and save the city, like Keaton did with an 80's era Kim Basinger. Instead, he's trying to STOP being Batman so he can be with her. Still doesn't sit right with me. They just seemed to get the characters all wrong in those movies.

[Michael]

Sounds good enough for me. And the possibilty of Williams returning (as he only's working in films when his friends ask him) is very exciting. I know it's very very far away and very unlikely, but if he ends up scoring it, I hope he goes the POA way: Strat practically from scratch, only referencing the old themes in special occasions.

And no recycled music, please!

[Joe Brausam]

Williams won't come back. I think that much is certain. If he wasn't brought in for Returns back in 2006 then he won't be now! The idea of a reboot is to start with a fresh approach, and bringing Williams back into the mix won't help that.

Now, of course Superman will be odd without the Williams themes...but it won't be to the detriment of the film to have a new musical approach.

[Koray Savas]

Yep, it'd be like bringing back Giacchino for the Medal Of Honor reboot.

[Luke Skywalker]

Yep, it'd be like bringing back Giacchino for the Medal Of Honor reboot.

Mmm no.

It is still going to be superman, while WWII has nothing to do with modern warfare.

Still Williams wont do this. I feel pity for the composer that does this movie. While the scoresurely will be fit for the film, it has a classic to be copared to.

But who knows...it seems Dark Knight is more popular than Elfman's batman now...

[Henry Buck]

One of my beefs with Dark Knight was how clingy and pathetic they portrayed Bruce Wayne when it came to that Rachel broad. They did the same thing a couple years earlier in Superman Returns when you see emo Supes spying on Lois Lane and moping around for an hour. I get that these characters carry a lot of emotional baggage, but the relationship shit was unbearable. These characters are supposed to be fun and the epitome of badassery. I wanted to see Batman turn away Harvey's squeeze (!) because he needed to go and fight the villain and save the city, like Keaton did with an 80's era Kim Basinger. Instead, he's trying to STOP being Batman so he can be with her. Still doesn't sit right with me. They just seemed to get the characters all wrong in those movies.

Yeah, nice act.

[E.T. & Elliott]

The woman's place is back at Wayne Manor washing the batsuits and fixing dinner for when Batman decides to come home from a night of crime fighting. Not turning Batman into a sleazy home wrecker. What a catastrophe the Dark Knight was. "She was going to leave Harvey for me, Alfred!!" Jesus Christ.

[Stefancos]

You are not in touch with your emotional side.

Batman was always a traumatised man, not a badass!

[E.T. & Elliott]

The only romance I ever liked in Batman was Selina Kyle.

[Hedji]

I thought I was the lone soul who hated the Dark Knight. I guarantee Nolan's take on Superman will deal with the incredible emotional and psychological burden of being godlike, yet not being able to be everywhere at once, saving the world 24/7. It will be plenty grim and gritty, guaranteed.

Next Nolan will reboot the Salkind's Santa Claus the Movie franchise, and portray Santa as a dark, brooding figure and the gritty burden of being responsible for spreading worldwide joy.

[Henry Buck]

The woman's place is back at Wayne Manor washing the batsuits and fixing dinner for when Batman decides to come home from a night of crime fighting. Not turning Batman into a sleazy home wrecker. What a catastrophe the Dark Knight was. "She was going to leave Harvey for me, Alfred!!" Jesus Christ.

Have you ever actually interacted with a woman?

[E.T. & Elliott]

Are you one of those feminists?

Look, the bottom line is that Rachel in the Batman movies was a very unattractive person. It's not acceptable to me that Bruce would be so enamored with a player. The audience knows she's just being a cock-tease when she says she'll leave Harvey for him (which leaves a bad taste in your mouth anyway since Harvey is established as a good guy). From his perspective, she's a player. His feelings for her must be rooted in their childhood or something. I can buy that, like she's a part of his lost innocence he's trying to reclaim. But they had absolutely no chemistry in TDK. There didn't seem to be anything going on there. Bruce was like the pathetic clingy ex-boyfriend that leaves messages on the ex's phone and drives by the apartment all the time. Just happens to show up wherever they are.

Batman's destiny is to devote his life to stopping crime and injustice. This is the heart and soul of the character. The Keaton portrayal of the character nailed it. They weren't about wanting to hang up the costume after a year as Batman and live a fairy tale life. He knew what he had to do and he did it at the cost of relationships. The job comes first. Women, maybe not at all if that isn't going to work out. Like with Vicki Vale. The only women in the Batman movies that ever had any real chemistry with Batman were Selina Kyle and Nicole Kidman as the shrink in Batman Forever. But they even screwed that up by again having Batman want to call it quits.

[Henry Buck]

Are you one of those feminists?

Yeah, you're macho, we get it.

[Mark Olivarez]

TDK was one of the best films of 2008. It ranks right behind Donner's Superman as one of the greatest superhero films made.

[gkgyver]

John Williams scoring the sequel to Superman Returns???

Have you people been deprived of a Williams score for so long that you'd clutch to any perverted straw?


PS: Dark Knight was and is brilliant.

[Hedji]

TDK was one of the best films of 2008. It ranks right behind Donner's Superman as one of the greatest superhero films made.

No, Dark Knight is not a superhero film. It's a crime drama that happens to have Batman in it.

[gkgyver]

Batman is crime drama.
Burton's films were an oversimplification of the character.

[E.T. & Elliott]

Yeah, you're macho, we get it.

Nope. Not macho. A realist.

[Red Rabbit]

I thought I was the lone soul who hated the Dark Knight. I guarantee Nolan's take on Superman will deal with the incredible emotional and psychological burden of being godlike, yet not being able to be everywhere at once, saving the world 24/7. It will be plenty grim and gritty, guaranteed.

Next Nolan will reboot the Salkind's Santa Claus the Movie franchise, and portray Santa as a dark, brooding figure and the gritty burden of being responsible for spreading worldwide joy.

In case you're still not aware, Nolan isn't directing this he's "godfathering" it (which really means a producer in charge of maintaining the integrity of the project). And maybe you should actually read what the man has to say about it; he's said several times that he views Batman and Superman very differently and that the approach he took with one will not work with the other. Not that that's a revelation or anything, most people can recognize the two are different tonally.

[Koray Savas]

Bruce and Rachel started off in Batman Begins, why would his love for her not continue here? What man wouldn't give (or give up) anything for the person he loves most? He couldn't deal with the burden of having to save everyone, be the hero the people wanted him to be, and not the realist he was. Either way it doesn't matter, she's dead, so now you'll probably love Nolan's third installment.

[E.T. & Elliott]

She doesn't love him back. She loved Bruce before he became Batman. That was what the first movie was all about. So why even bother "continuing" the romantic story? He's frickin' Batman now. She's with Harvey, a seemingly stable guy, good guy. She's happy, he's fulfilling his oath. Do no want clingy Bruce crashing her dates with Harvey and trying to get her to leave him and give up his mission. It's just a mess.

[crocodile]

But then again love life is a mess. Most often than not

Karol

[Red Rabbit]

She doesn't love him back. She loved Bruce before he became Batman. That was what the first movie was all about. So why even bother "continuing" the romantic story? He's frickin' Batman now. She's with Harvey, a seemingly stable guy, good guy. She's happy, he's fulfilling his oath. Do no want clingy Bruce crashing her dates with Harvey and trying to get her to leave him and give up his mission. It's just a mess.

She still loved Bruce, it took a lot of deliberation before she finally chose Harvey over him. Bruce loved her obviously, but more than that he saw his life with her as a way of escape from Batman, which now seemed like a possibility with Dent's work as D.A. It is rather naive of him to think he could retire with his job completed, but isn't that the point? To have a fallible human protagonist who can mature and evolve? TDK's narrative showed him under no uncertain terms that only he can be Batman and that he can't quit.

[STORM]

Who`s going to do the score,i hope its not zimmer , nooooo lol

[Stefancos]

Hmm...the Superman march played on Duduk!

[STORM]

Yeah prob will be a duduk lol

[Luke Skywalker]

I fear a heroic trumpet sustained note will be the theme.

And people will have they arses turn soda, forgetting all of Williams legacy for that superhero.

Sad.

December 2012? Yeah, the end of the world.

[Hedji]

In case you're still not aware, Nolan isn't directing this he's "godfathering" it (which really means a producer in charge of maintaining the integrity of the project). And maybe you should actually read what the man has to say about it; he's said several times that he views Batman and Superman very differently and that the approach he took with one will not work with the other. Not that that's a revelation or anything, most people can recognize the two are different tonally.

Hmmm, I suppose I have been overgeneralizing a bit. Admittedly, when I heard of Nolan's involvement, I immediately dismissed it because of my distaste for his take on Batman, and didn't really read what his intentions on Superman was. Still, I will give it a chance, but I have a suspicion that my version of Superman has come and gone.

[Drax]

There's still hope for a Smallville movie.

[Quint]

I was watching TDK late last night with my brothers. It's too plotty; I prefer Batman Begins. Both are brilliant movies, but I enjoy the Keaton movies a lot more - far more watchable in general. Ledger's Joker too, is waaaaay over the top; gimme Hamil over him any day - the definitive Joker - as seen in Arkham Asylum (videogame).

Oh and one last thing: the scores of the Nolan Batman movies are outstanding. They immaculately suit the ultra contemporary style of the films; though I suggest they would be of limited use outside of their movies, as listening material.

[Charlie Brigden]

Hamill is amazing, his work on the animated series was just legendary. As much as I love the Nolan films, that series is the definitive portrayal of Batman and the rogue's gallery.

Much like the 1960s show/flick, I can't watch the Keaton/Burton films without skipping heavily. They'd be great if they were fifteen minutes long.