The "too many LOTR/Hobbit/Tolkien" threads poll - vote now!

[Jay 46,245]

The way I see it, there are three options

1. Create a new Tolkien sub-forum, and all Tolkien related threads get moved there.

2. Don't allow the creation of any new Tolkien-related threads for a while, even if you want to make a poll. Whatever you have to say, use any of the existing Tolkien threads to say it in.

3. Allow the creation of new Tolkien threads, and the people who don't want to read them will simply have to learn to ignore them.

Vote now!

[Brónach 1,330]

Creating a subforum is too weird.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,392]

Voted option 3.

Creating a subforum is not a good idea IMO.

[Trent B 354]

Why isn't a subforum a good idea? We've done it before, it shouldn't be much of a hassle to do it again. Hell there's a subforum for reviews of scores and films. What would make this any different?

Just a subforum for all LOTR material.

Obviously I voted for option 1.

[KK 3,313]

Argh, not this again....

Don't like the thread? Scroll down!

[BloodBoal 8,711]

Don't like the thread? Scroll down!

I tried that. They were even more Tolkien threads popping up.

[Rachael Foley 10,164]

Forget a new subforum, a new forum is much more hip!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,392]

Why isn't a subforum a good idea? We've done it before, it shouldn't be much of a hassle to do it again. Hell there's a subforum for reviews of scores and films.

Yes, and look at the amount of posts in the Reviews section!

I still maintain that the Tin Tin/War Whores subforum was a bad call!

[Uni 307]

Now this is a worthwhile poll!

I'm all for the third option, on one condition: that we can rely on you Mods to step in an kill any truly idiotic threads from trolls or people who just want to stir up dissension around here. (Your commendable actions in the last few minutes are exactly what I'm talking about, Jason.) Aside from that, some of us have already put our feelings on the table: while this may be a JW fan site, other subjects will inevitably come into play, and not everyone is going to want to talk about every one of those subjects. That doesn't mean we need to segregate every single topic into its own subforum. I doubt anyone wants to have to check eight or ten different places for new replies every time they come here. People who aren't into LOTR or its music can choose to demonstrate maturity enough to pass those subjects by and engage in topics they do want to discuss.

One more thought on this: to be perfectly frank—and based purely on my own observations—I don't see the Howard Shore/LOTR fans turning other threads in the direction of Middle Earth most of the time. It's the anti-Rings folks who seem to feel it necessary to drop snide comments into the midst of unrelated conversations that wind up turning those threads into discussions about LOTR (since Shore's fans will then inevitably leap in to defend their honor). If the numbskulls will agree to stop using every single opportunity they can find to take their Shore shots, the commentary on that subject would decrease by nearly half.

- Uni

[KK 3,313]

Forget a new subforum, a new forum is much more hip!

HowardShoreFan!

One more thought on this: to be perfectly frank—and based purely on my own observations—I don't see the Howard Shore/LOTR fans turning other threads in the direction of Middle Earth most of the time. It's the anti-Rings folks who seem to feel it necessary to drop snide comments into the midst of unrelated conversations that wind up turning those threads into discussions about LOTR (since Shore's fans will then inevitably leap in to defend their honor). If the numbskulls will agree to stop using every single opportunity they can find to take their Shore shots, the commentary on that subject would decrease by nearly half.

- Uni

Agreed. Strange that the LotR fans generally keep LotR discussion in LotR threads, but the haters try to reel his name in whenever they get the chance.

[Rachael Foley 10,164]

I would prefer this arrangment:

Generel Discussion:

John Williams Hero Worship Discussion

Other Composer's Discussion

[crocodile 9,724]

Second option.

Karol

[Uni 307]

Slippery slope. If you go with the second option, then—just to be equitable—you also have to prevent any threads about Star Trek, other composers, other non-JW score releases, upcoming films that weren't scored by JW, video games, etc. . . .

See where that goes? Start controlling one subject, and pretty soon someone will get their feelings hurt on a thread about another subject, and that one'll have to go, too, and so it goes from there.

- Uni

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 12,392]

We should have a Star Wars subforum then for the new Disney SW films!

[crocodile 9,724]

If I want to talk about something I just usually find an appropriate thread for it. No need for so many self-important threads of any kind anyway.

But that's just me.

Karol

[Jonesy 55]

Third option looks rational.

[Quintus 6,499]

Consolidation is the answer. Create three major threads and shift everything outstanding into them.

A Hobbit thread

A LotR thread

A Middle-Earth Music thread

However, since that's not an option I've voted for the sub forum.

It's the only way to be sure

[Richard P 5,306]

Sub-forum.

[Xander Harris 9,677]

Kill them. Kill them all.

[Nick1Ø66 8,330]

Option #3 is the one that assumes that people can practice a little restraint and act like adults.

I leave it to others to decide if that will work or not.

EDIT: And the other options both operate under the assumption that it's the Shore/LOTR fans who are causing the problems. I haven't been here long enough to intelligently comment on that. I do wonder why anyone who dislikes Shore's score would enjoy spending time in threads devoted to them...or feel the need to.

[Richard P 5,306]

Because they feel the need to trash Shore and his scores, for reasons most of us don't understand.

[Nemesis 301]

#3 for me. I doesn't have any interests in LOTR but it doesn't bother me if other want to talk about that stuff.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

#1 for me, but if I had my druthers, #2.'

take shores blandness to HSfan.com

really I don't care now I just feel a bit vindicated that Jason made this poll and admitted there were too many LOTR threads.

[King Mark 3,975]

Do something so every other thread is not comparing a LotR cue to something Williams wrote

[gkgyver 1,647]

How great, then from all forums, the Tolkien forum would be the only specific one.

I maintain: you don't like Shore, stay the hell out of the threads and scroll down or up. Jesus H. Christ, it is not that fucking hard.

And if you feel like pissing on Shore's work, clean yourself with some holy water and open the "Official Howard Shore disrespect Thread".

[JoeinAR 1,957]

If suggest you guys stay the hell out of JW centered threads with all the comparisons you'd be pissed but that exactly what you're saying in a roundabout way. It's like a disease without a cure, thankfully the new hobit score doesn't live up to expectations of lotr fans but that just gives more reasons to have all the other lotr stuff.

[Uni 307]

really I don't care now I just feel a bit vindicated that Jason made this poll and admitted there were too many LOTR threads.

I don't think that's what he did at all . . . especially when you consider that one of those horrible, awful LOTR threads is his. (And a magnificent piece of work it is, too.)

What Jason did—that I admire greatly, by the way—is open the floor to check the general consensus. He's not letting his own dog take over the whole hunt. I have no doubt that if the majority ruled that the LOTR thing should disappear altogether, he would take the hit on his own efforts, pack it up, and let the people have their way.

And that, my friends, is what makes a great moderator.

If suggest you guys stay the hell out of JW centered threads with all the comparisons you'd be pissed but that exactly what you're saying in a roundabout way.

Nope. That one doesn't fly. This is a JW forum, and as such many threads are obviously going to involve Williams' music, and as a natural course of those conversations people are going to compare the music of other composers to his work. That's only to be expected. It's also fine for people to insert comparisons to JW's scores into threads concerning Shore's Rings. (Why wouldn't they?)

That, however, isn't usually how it goes down. The problem here is with the people who enter the LOTR threads, the JW threads, and every other kind of thread to fling a "SHORE SUX!" comment against the wall and run around laughing maniacally. As I said earlier, that is the biggest reason there's been such a massive shift of focus around here.

Once again: if the people who don't want to talk Rings actually DON'T talk Rings, then everything will pretty much work itself out.

- Uni

[Nick1Ø66 8,330]

Once again: if the people who don't want to talk Rings actually DON'T talk Rings, then everything will pretty much work itself out.

- Uni

Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Joey has some part to play in all this, for good or ill, before it is over.

[Uni 307]

ROTFLMAO

[KK 3,313]

I have no problem with people disliking LotR, but the need for comments like these baffles me.

well if John wins, awesome

if he loses, well it won't be to that damned Shore guy.

wouldn't it be a hoot for John to win and get up there hold the statue out and scream at the top of his lungs, EAT THIS HOWARD SHORE!

Not to pick on Joey or anything because a lot of people do it, but those were the first 2 posts I found.

[hornist 1,261]

Well, I think the humor is still allowed.

I voted for sub-forum.

I like Lotr and enjoyed the Hobbit but I think the amount of different Tolkien related threads in here is just too much.

[Sandor 918]

Even with a subforum, all threads will eventually wind up either praising LOTR or bashing George Lucas/AOTC.

[Nick1Ø66 8,330]

Here's what I don't get. I adore John William's music. The original Star Wars soundtrack changed my life. I think "Yoda and the Force" is quite possibly the most beautiful piece of music ever composed by anyone, anywhere. The Empire Strikes Back soundtrack got me through a very difficult time growing up.

And you can't compare John Williams and Howard Shore fairly because right now there is no comparison. If in 20 years Shore has a body of work like Williams, well that's another discussion.

But for now NONE of that takes away from my ability to enjoy the music that Howard Shore created for LOTR. On the contrary, growing up with William's magnificent scores only heightened my ability to enjoy other work, including Shore's. It's the only thing in scope we have to compare to Star Wars, so why not discuss it?

This is not a zero-sum game. Enjoying Shore's LOTR work detracts not one iota from my ability to enjoy Williams.

[hornist 1,261]

Yeah, great. But why not in Howard Shore Fan forum if there are any.

[Nick1Ø66 8,330]

Yeah, great. But why not in Howard Shore Fan forum if there are any.

Well, frankly, speaking as someone new, as much as I love Williams, if all that was discussed here, again and again and again, were the same William's scores, I probably never would have signed up.

[SF1_freeze 138]

Keep it as it is. We always had phases of discussion depending on the currently new film scores.

Just punish/close the troll threads.

[Wojo 2,458]

3.

Which reminds me. We don't have too many LotR threads. We have too many posters with nothing to say or who are too much like sheeple. We need to start eliminating some accounts or just ask some folks to share usernames.

[Uni 307]

This is not a zero-sum game. Enjoying Shore's LOTR work detracts not one iota from my ability to enjoy Williams.

Hear, hear! (As in: please hear this, and gain wisdom in doing so.)

Yeah, great. But why not in Howard Shore Fan forum if there are any.

Because the subjects overlap. By a lot. In a place where epic scores for trilogies/serial films are discussed, how long can you expect it to go unmentioned? Do you really believe that on such a site (if, as you said, there is any such thing) the Star Wars trilogies never come up as a matter of comparison?

- Uni

[hornist 1,261]

The point is it shouldn't be unmentioned. Some discussions would be nice. But the overwhelming of that specific score is just... annoying.

If anyone noticed, JW's subtle score for a small film got a nomination for some minor prize.

[gkgyver 1,647]

Yeah, great. But why not in Howard Shore Fan forum if there are any.

You make as much sense as radical people demanding that each ethnicity should be kept in separate parts of the town/area.Are we starting to discriminate people now because they adore the "wrong" composer? What a fucking prick would request that.The problem is, and has always been ever since Shore picked that Academy Award up over what was considered Williams' best in a decade in 2001, that the few intolerant JW fans feel threatened because people started to call it one of the best ever. And then later even the best trilogy ever. And that threatened to take Spotlight away from holy cow John Williams because those folks cannot believe other people in the world can write intelligent music besides John Williams. I swear, it seems like every time someone mentions Shore's as one of the great works, those angry people feel like it cancels out a mention of (insert JW score here) as one of the greats, and act like every time Shore is mentioned, god kills a kitten.

There are other composers who are sometimes mentioned as having works equal to Williams', and these are quickly discarded, but the mention of Shore is the only one that starts a holy film music war. And the answer to the WHY is simple: it is not because Shore's trilogy is indeed lame and doesn't deserve the praise, it is because it DOES deserve it and the numerous awards, and IS an equal to Williams' greats. And there is not a damn thing they can do about it.It would just be an enormous satisfaction if the talk about just died down. But it doesn't because people are excited about it, still, and that annoys the hell out of the naysayers. And now there is yet another set of these films, and it's apparently ever so annoying. The reason why the whole thing is now escalated to this proportion is solely because old grumpy Joey deems he has now seen enough of Tolkien and rants about it extensively, and other individuals jumping the wagon and trying to actually force a stop of a free discussion.

Let me restate that the people on this board are free go discuss whatever they want, and if some angry individuals are so afraid the JW talk will die down, I suggest you inject the JW discussion with some life instead of wasting everyone's time and energy by pissing over other people's interests.

[Ollie 1,375]

In all seriousness I think we should create a subforum for polls. Those are what clutter up the damn board. Or how about a general discussion forum for Williams material only and another forum for all other movies and composers not named or scored by Johnny.

I voted option 3. One of the enticing things about this board is the varied discussions outside of Williams related material.

I hate to see what happens here when Williams passes away and there won't be any music at all from Williams to look forward to.

[hornist 1,261]

Nothing new mcgovern, just keep the conversation out(or better on the side) of my JWfannetwork, I will be fine.

And none of his works are equal. Someday I hope it will be. Not yet.

[gkgyver 1,647]

John Williams discussion is decreasing constantly, people just don't realise it.

I'm gone for a few days, hopefully this idiocy will have ceased by the time I dare to visit this site again.

[hornist 1,261]

So, maybe we have to finish this forum...

According to the recent posters he's bad anyways...

[gkgyver 1,647]

The Academy disagrees with you. Last I looked, Williams didn't get 3 statues for a single trilogy.

Anyway, kiss my behind.

[JoeinAR 1,957]

Uni you need to not contridict me when I'm correct. JASON DID STATE IN ANOTHER THREAD THERE ARE TOO MANY LOTR THREADS. Yes I Was yelling. I didn't make it up.

Actually I'm not yelling it's easier not correcting the tablet sometimes it does what it wants

[Uni 307]

You can yell. S'all good.

You said he "made this poll and admitted there were too many LOTR threads." Your phrasing linked the two actions, as if to say that by making this poll, he was admitting as much. That's what led to my response. You didn't reference the other thread when you said it, so I had no way of knowing that was your source.

And I was just using it to lead into my comment about Jason's noble gesture here. It was really never meant to be a shot at you at all.

- Uni

[hornist 1,261]

The Academy disagrees with you. Last I looked, Williams didn't get 3 statues for a single trilogy.

Anyway, kiss my behind.

Sorry my English is bad, does it mean kiss my ass? If it's so, how is it?

[Quintus 6,499]

Do something so every other thread is not comparing a LotR cue to something Williams wrote

Don't exaggerate. It's one thread, fanboy. And it's not even a poll, because I didn't want to cheapen the debate. It's a perfectly valid discussion point.

And why has gkgyver got his knickers in a twist?

[gkgyver 1,647]

Well then, go ahead and do the subforum. That will detract more attention from the JW discussion than people probably imagine.

That won't solve the problem. The problem isn't that people are supposedly hindered to find JW topics, the problem is that certain people are irked that LotR/Tolkien discussions are taking place here at all.