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Florian reacted to Trent B in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
They are very noticeable just compare each track. Especially if you have an editing program where you can compare the two side by side. But...here is a list of the differences and I hope this clears it up.
The Parachutes
-This one I am sure the original recording of it how it opens is the opening of "End Credits". The "End Credits" on this release is just a film stem and an editorially created piece.
Parachute Attack:
-From 1:06-1:27ish there's trumpet notes that are NOT included on the album version.
The Hijacking
-As publicist said there's an edit at the 5:47 mark. This edit leaves out a chunk of material that's heard on the album version. I actually don't mind the film version and I used it.
Empty Rooms
-I am a bit puzzled they did not include a film stem of "Empty Rooms". The one in the film is a little different. I recreated is for my personal edit.
K.V. and The Hostages
-The film version has a 15 second opening that is not included in the alternate. This opening plays when it shows Ivan smoking a cig, looking at the clock and says "It's time" before going to the room where the hostages are and kills one of them.
Marshall's Plan
-The film version opens up darker tone and the statement of the President's theme comes in later.
K.V. Lectures
-The one in the main body of the score is vastly different. It has different instrumentation and a piano that is NOT in the film version.
Sign It!
-This is nearly identical up until the end. The alternate take on Disc 1 has a different end.
Get Off My Plane!
-This does not include the Russian theme from 0:14-0:24. The Russian theme would play when it shows Radek going to the desk to sign out for his release. The rest of the film version cue also has a little different instrumentation than the alternate. I actually prefer the film version though.
Air Force One In Trouble
-The film version is in the main body of the score but has volume issues. Most likely a film stem rip in the main body. The alternate take on Disc 2 does NOT have volume dips.
On a personal note as I stated in one of my earlier post with my track list for my personal edit, I put all the film version cues in the main body and put the alternates as bonus tracks.
I actually like the film version for "Get Off My Plane!" better always have since seeing the film. The Russian theme at the beginning have always annoyed me since hearing it on the pristine boot.
Although "The Hijacking" I do agree with the edit isn't that great, I could have done better. I still put it in the main body of my personal edit.
Same here I wish they would.
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Florian reacted to Richard Penna in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
I don't get this mindset of saying something shouldn't be on an official release, provided it's not taking up room or in place of the 'intended' cue.
If it's just an extra... a bonus if you like, and you still don't like it being there, then I think you're taking the product a bit too seriously. I get rid of source/classical/alternate cues all the time from playlists.
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Florian reacted to Jay in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
I don't know why specialty labels haven't made it routine to always include an explanation of what's different about each alternate in their booklets
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Florian reacted to publicist in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
Get Off My Plane has a different opening (minus russian theme, film version is worse). The Hijacking has a change for the worse in the film version, too, at the 6-minute mark where a repeat of the driving rhythm replaces the russian theme. The smaller cues have alterations that are more obvious, just not very interesting.
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Florian reacted to Luke Skywalker in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
Just ofr the record...Bruce botnick also did the little mermaid legacy collection... with a missing choir...a looped segment in the finale....
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Florian reacted to Incanus in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
For those fans who desire the music just as heard in the film for various reasons, including edited together end credits suites when there was no actual suite written. Those people would just keep complaining about the missing stuff. The producers of these sets are damned if they don't, damned if they do.
Personally something like the clunky end credits from The Mummy have no place in my listening experience when the OST already had such an awesome finale with the coherent piece of music like Sand Volcano. In the case of Air Force One I am left wondering why couldn't they just pull the edited suite from the tapes (missing/not available?) or couldn't recreate the edit from the sessions tapes if they had to resort to film stems, if the source is indeed that.
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Florian reacted to publicist in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
I still want an explanation why Goldsmith was quoted in an old Soundtrack! magazine - verbatim - calling Peterson nazi prick.
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Florian reacted to Jay in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
Mine arrived this week!
It's overall awesome, just a few minor niggles (that Varese will never acknowledge or fix)
I read through Schweiger's liner notes and..I dunno. There's some good stuff describing the themes and where to hear them, and a nice summation of the production of the film. But then they don't even mention Randy Newman once. Nor explain why Goldsmith refer's to Ivan as "K.V." in his original cue titles. If its an in-joke, explain the joke in the liner notes. If it's a mistake, change the track list of the final CD. Weird.
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Florian reacted to Jay in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
Yea the increased amount of bad guy material is really what sets this apart the most form the OST program
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Florian reacted to Incanus in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
I am just taking my first listen and it sounds wonderful. Beyond the obvious action highlights I really dig the shorted suspense cues sprinkled throughout and the variations on the bad guy material.
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Florian reacted to Datameister in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
Finally listening to this now. Meeeeee liiiiiiiiiike. I know the main theme well and I've seen the film several times over the years, but this is my first time listening on album. Glorious.
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Florian reacted to Unlucky Bastard in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
Thanks for the condescension, mate. They're not there in the expanded, or they're so mixed down, they're inaudible unless you're a bat. But they're plain as day in the OST and the film as they should be.
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Florian reacted to Richard Penna in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
Yep, starting at 2:40 the volume dips weirdly then comes back up at 2:50.
Could just be how the take went, but could also be the film stem.
Just rewatching my DVD of this and while the overall premise and is very ridiculous, it can't be denied that it's damn entertaining and well-executed for what it is. Goldsmith's score gives the film enough over-patriotism and seriousness that it works.
An amusing thing is that of all of the ridicule the crashing shot gets (correctly - the end of the shot would look bad for a videogame nowadays), the other CGI in the film looks pretty solid - lots of action in the last 20 mins and it all looks fine. If only they'd found a better way to shoot the crash landing.
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Florian reacted to Wojo in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
Turbulence.
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Florian reacted to Unlucky Bastard in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
Why even state that you're not selling it anyway? No-one was expecting whether you would.
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Florian reacted to Smeltington in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
Lol no I'm not. I'm not invested enough at this point... I just got done listening to Goldsmith's OST to see if I wanted the expansion.
I love how the Youtube videos are labelled "uploaded in HD"
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Florian reacted to Disco Stu in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
I just hope you're listening to a better quality leak than those awful Youtube videos
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Florian reacted to Jay in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
Jeff Bond has an interesting insight into this score in the FSM thread
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Florian reacted to Unlucky Bastard in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
Before macho music became simple low rumbles and textures.
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Florian reacted to Gruesome Son of a Bitch in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
The Hijacking is one of those tracks I can listen to and feel badass while doing anything. Shaving, grocery shopping, taking a dump. Classic 90s masculine testosterone-fueled Goldsmith.
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Florian reacted to Datameister in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
I've never owned this score in any form, but I'm familiar with the main theme, I remember enjoying the rest of the music in the context of the film, the samples sound great, and I was just talking about how I need more Goldsmith in my life the other day. Ordered!
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Florian reacted to Ollie in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
Or that’s how the cue sheet was titled or they may have been contractually obligated to include that.
if I wanted a chuckle I would say they did it as s snarky response to film score fans who complain about the choir missing from certain releases. 😉
Total Recall may be one of the greatest action scores of a time but it’s no Air Force One. 😉
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Florian reacted to Jay in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
Yea, why label a main program cue as "With Chorus" (the only parenthetical in the entire main program) if there is no correlating "without Chorus" version in the bonus tracks?
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Florian reacted to Marian Schedenig in Jerry Goldsmith's AIR FORCE ONE - 2019 2CD Varese Deluxe Edition
It's a surprise it doesn't have a sarcastic credits song from the perspective of the president.