Romão 2,274 Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 I never really knew how close John and Jerry were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 21, 2006 Author Share Posted October 21, 2006 Obviously they were not THAT close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 It sounds like they may have been friends at one point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 The idea I got was that they were close in the past, but their relationship deteriorated a bit. I found Goldsmith´s comment, how he's like to a fly on the wall, when his daughter interviewed John, very curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,264 Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Don't worry. It's a passing phase.Stefancos- who's been finding everything shitty and agrivating lately.No, I don't really belive that is just a passing phase. Is just the way you look at life.But of course, it surelly helps to have kind loving friends, that are there for you, always.@ piLet me congratulate you on the beutiful new avatar. And you're probably rigth on your remarks, is just that I never expected all that from Jerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 1, 2007 Author Share Posted May 1, 2007 So, any news about this, it's been nearly a year now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Jerry Goldsmith tells all? Ooooo, the scandal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 If they can't find a publisher I'm sure Steef would be willing to do it on the cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Jerry Goldsmith tells all? Ooooo, the scandal Shoma Iruni hastin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 Shoma Iruni hastin? Hi, Bluemenkohl. I'm not Iranian. But Iranian musical heritage and history interests me. I hope to visit Iran soon.Va shoma? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 2, 2007 Author Share Posted May 2, 2007 I hope to visit Iran soon.That's suspect.First that Polonium incident and your trip to Russia at that same time, now this....You shipping bootlegged depleted Uramium, aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 It's to fuel his time machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 I have Persian heritage but no close relatives that have lived there in the last 100 years. I took German, French, and Italian classes....and in college I decided to try something different and so I used my Persian heritage and elected to take Farsi for two years. I have a couple of Iranian friends where I live, very nice people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 That's suspect. First that Polonium incident and your trip to Russia at that same time, now this....You shipping bootlegged depleted Uramium, aren't you?LOL I have to admit that one of my "talents" seems to be accidentally timing things that they end up looking damn suspicious to others. If I ever wanted to visit the U.S for a trip to 'Wally World', they'd never let me in. Or, they'd probably dress me in an orange suit and lock me away for 20 years. "All I wanted to see was Wally World. I didn't want to blow it up.....honestly". In truth, I'm actually a John Williams "Missionary", polluting these regimes with "western decadence through Orchestra" I used my Persian heritage and elected to take Farsi for two years. Wonderful. Do you also like the traditional Iranian music, Blumenkohll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 I have some amazing violin works by Parviz Yahaghi, various pianists including Anoushirvan Rohani. Very tantalizing stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/post...1&archive=1Apparently this ain't happening anytime soon.I figured there would be some legal obstacles but didn't know Lukas was helping.I feel bad for Lukas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Rumor has it John Williams threatened to sue over his name being used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Don't start now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,211 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Well damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 People actually thought this would ever see the light of day, after reading the excerpts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 We'll see it in some form in years to come. Just not this decade or the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Lukas Kendall is a class act.I agree with a suggestion of his, maybe the very personal material compiled by Carrie Goldsmith should be turned over to a professional biographer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 People actually thought this would ever see the light of day, after reading the excerpts?No, that's why I mentioned I figured there would be some legal obstacles.Plus I remembered someone posting a quote from Mrs. Goldsmith on some message board, may have been this one, who didn't actually give it a ringing endorsement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Such books are always going to dissapoint certain peoples image of someone they admire. One look at Mozarts letters back and forth between his family show instances of bitterness, hissy fitts, immaturity, crude language, mockery of other musicians of his era and his own students, blatantly empty sweet talk, smug arrogance, and more, along with sides to him that are more appealing to most people. To me, this wasn't a surprise really. Wagner is hardly a very likeable person, going by his life. But his music is genius. Mozart was slowly refashioned by admirers into a kind of ethereal angel figure of sheer glimmering perfection over a few hundred years, in an attempt to match to his his music as if he'd come from some cloud up above, only to glide serenely away. I'm sure Jerrys biography gets to the bare bones of things. Jerry seemed to say what was on his mind more. I remember seeing that interview before the concert in the Barbican, and noticing that Jerry wasn't a fake. Fairly abrupt. If he was bored with the same old questions and idol worship, it clearly showed on his face. If somebody asked when this or that score was going to be released, he said something like - "Are you going to come up with the money to make it happen?". Quite unlike Mr Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Jerry must have been hanging around Benny a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 24, 2008 Author Share Posted March 24, 2008 So Lukas was responsible for having this bio axed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 No, not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 24, 2008 Author Share Posted March 24, 2008 His own words say something differently. Not to mention he betrayed the trust of Goldsmith's children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 True, but the book still wasn't ready nor close to being fit for release.There are still some legal obstacles that would need to be polished out. Everyone has to agree on the material, you can go around talking about people, family or non family, and make it public without making sure there is no chance of someone suing or taking legal action.It also sounds like working on this project took an emotional toll on Carrie Goldsmith and she may not want to finish it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeshopk 8 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Goldsmith's comments about John Williams makes sense to me. Sure, there's a tiny bit of "professional jealousy" there, but I understand it and don't see it as wrong. Jerry obviously liked his way of getting ahead better than Williams', and why not? The very act of composing is one of not only creation but ego. All composers have an ego, and some hide it better than others. Some get out of control with it, but I don't see that in Jerry's case. You know, he did compliment Williams' music a lot, and even defended him once I know of to someone who said he "lost it". Let's not demand utter professionality in a frank biography. In fact, publishing the raw conversations would be better than adding a daughter's commentary anyway.The book could be done if Carrie would give up the struggle of how to portray her father, or make it a narrative or whatever, and just publish his words. I assume his "legacy" is being discussed among the kids, but nohing he says will destroy that. In fact, just the 2 chapters released have helped it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 I'd rather just have Jerry's comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus 390 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 In general, I am rather opposed to relatives as authors of biographies; it so easily taints the work, and adds an ugly shine of social pornography.Having said that, I am very appreciative of this effort, and only hope that the misguided decisions that halts this project won't ultimately ruin our chance of seeing some sort of expanded Jerry Goldsmith biography that would include pertinent snippets of conversation (Goldsmith on Goldsmih, etc.), while giving the task of chronicling Goldsmith's career and artistic development to someone less biased and better equipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Naïve Old Fart 9,556 Posted July 18, 2019 Share Posted July 18, 2019 There was once a specialist film music store in Leeds, called Movie Boulevard. I visited it a few times, bought a shit load and got to know the proprietors. They said that they knew a lot of "scandalous" stories about JG. They told some of them, but, and rather like the Romulan ambassador, I didn't know what to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,094 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Finally, it's here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 On 7/18/2019 at 10:21 PM, First TROS March Accolyte said: Sorry I'm late. Can these published chapters still be obtained somewhere? Sorry I'm late too https://web.archive.org/web/20080316234048/http://freeclyde.com/people/family/carrie_goldsmith.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,515 Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 . 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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