Pieter Boelen 740 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Every few days I will post a thread on a random score from my collection that we can discuss and rate. I made a playlist on my computer with one track of each score I've got, so by using the random play option, I'll be able to post a truly random score each time. Hopefully this will allow us to discuss some scores that would otherwise never be discussed. Also we can record the rating so that we can create a full list of the ratings given to scores by JWFan.com.Today's score is Mulan by Jerry Goldsmith. Are you familiar with it? What do you like about it? What don't you like about it? How do do you think it works in the film? What are your favourite tracks?So far JWFan has rated:See Soundtrack Ratings by JWFan.com.This web page contains the ratings from all my previous polls as well as those of Blumenkohl's.Final ratings are converted to a 1-10 rating for both rating systems so that they can be compared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 I don't know this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 i litstened to it recently and it struck me it's possibly my favourite Goldsmith score. 5 starsThe spanish cover is awful. Man look for the english version! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted January 3, 2009 Author Share Posted January 3, 2009 5 stars from me. One of my definite favourite Goldsmith scores.The beautiful music is beautiful, the action music is very impressive and the Chinese atmosphere makes it special.Of course the original soundtrack is severely lacking, but thankfully there's greatly expanded promo's floating around.As for the cover, I wanted to post something that is a bit original.I've seen the English one too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 1,5 I wish JNH could have done it.The song: Make a man out of you is great though... not by Jerry isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 22 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 The score is overrated in my opinion, the soft and action bits seem like they are coming from somewhere else. 3 stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Interesting score. Not sure if Jerry had his complete heart in it - seemed rather slapped together and auto pilot JG. Would have been interesting if Jerry had written the songs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf 4 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 4.5 from me - wish there was more material.I must say that I love listening to scores in the Chinese style and idiom, especially when "Western" composers put their take on it. I guess this is evident in that one of my favorite themes/cues used in any film is Short Rounds theme, whereby JW tries his hand at a simple Chinese-inspired melody that is used brilliantly throughout the score and film. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Not sure if Jerry had his complete heart in itNeither am I. But what it lacks in heart, it makes up for in brains.Twofold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Absolutely 5 stars. This is one of my favorite Goldsmith scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 4.5, a very solid score that was just as deserving as any previous Disney one that won an Oscar. To hell with the songs, it's the actual score that counts.The original CD release is poor, thankfully I was able to locate the actual "For Your Consideration" Promo. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Easily a 5 star score and had the Academy any soul, it should have awarded Jerry the Oscar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 In my opinion this is one of the very last Triple A scores by the great man. It's pure Goldsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 3.5Though all I have is the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Easily a 5 star score and had the Academy any soul, it should have awarded Jerry the Oscar.What does god need with a starship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Hold up, you're (forgivingly) mistaking Jerry with John.Lee- listening to First Contact. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 4.5, maybe even a five. A wonderful score, very enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 Hold up, you're (forgivingly) mistaking Jerry with John.As if Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,210 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 4 stars. And although they're not by Goldsmith, I actually like most of the songs (Matchmaker in particular). I still find it interesting that Goldsmith used song material in the suite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 I love the instrumental arrangement of Matthew Wilder's "Honor to Us All" for the main titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,796 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 I love the instrumental arrangement of Matthew Wilder's "Bring Honor to Us All" for the main titles.I always wondered if it was a Goldsmith arrangement or not.Its gorgeus anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf 4 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 I love the instrumental arrangement of Matthew Wilder's "Honor to Us All" for the main titles.Honor to Us All has to be one of the most catchiest tunes I've ever heard. The last time I had to actually sit through Mulan while watching it with my neice, I had the song stuck in my head for days afterwards. It's one of those songs that is just well-written, orchestrated, and performed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 I love the instrumental arrangement of Matthew Wilder's "Honor to Us All" for the main titles.Honor to Us All has to be one of the most catchiest tunes I've ever heard. The last time I had to actually sit through Mulan while watching it with my neice, I had the song stuck in my head for days afterwards. It's one of those songs that is just well-written, orchestrated, and performed.It is ridiculously catchy. Goldsmith wrote some good stuff, too, of course, but "Honor to Us All" always sticks out in my mind when I think about this film/score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf 4 Posted January 3, 2009 Share Posted January 3, 2009 I love the instrumental arrangement of Matthew Wilder's "Honor to Us All" for the main titles.Honor to Us All has to be one of the most catchiest tunes I've ever heard. The last time I had to actually sit through Mulan while watching it with my neice, I had the song stuck in my head for days afterwards. It's one of those songs that is just well-written, orchestrated, and performed.It is ridiculously catchy. Goldsmith wrote some good stuff, too, of course, but "Honor to Us All" always sticks out in my mind when I think about this film/score.I agree - I guess it follows through with what I mention earlier up in this thread about Chinese music in general. There must be something strangely hypnotic about using the pentatonic scale, and I actually remember reading something about Claude Debussy and how upon hearing Balinese Gamelan music for the first time, he was struck by the sheer simplicity in form and effect of using that scale, since he himself was trained in the Western tradition. He was so impressed that he even started using such conventions in his own music, if I recall correctly.But then again, I'm no musicologist so what do I know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Goldsmith had an uncanny ability to evoke Asian melodies quite authentically. His Tora Tora Tora has got one of my favorite Japanese themes of all time. It's amazing how he really got the essence of the cultural musical attributes in that and other similar scores. I really like Memoirs of a Geisha but to me, it sounds like a mishmash of Tan Dun and Takemitsu, The latter is fine but the former is Chinese and there is a world of difference between the musics between cultures. Believe me, any Chinese or Japanese person will tell you so. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 The best thing is the action music, short as it is. That heroic fanfare for Mulan as a warrior was this big 'he's still got it' moment for me when first seeing the film. I found the songs beyond terrible...with Goldsmith's 'sensitive girl' theme not far behind. Those Disney stereotypes really must have gotten these composers/songwriters desperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trumpeteer 302 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 The songs are fantastic. The score is phenomenal. I remember when I saw the movie in the theater When the attack on the mountain started, I felt Jerry deserved the Oscar.I was in tears when he lost the Oscar to an inferior score (Shakespeare in Love). And then I was inconsolable when John Williams lost to Life is Beautiful five minutes later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,373 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 The academy awards are such a joke, especially in the music categories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,019 Posted January 6, 2009 Share Posted January 6, 2009 Solid 3 stars.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob 0 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 5 stars. One of my favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Score's terrific, varied, very listenable. I'm a bit pissed off that it's attached to a weak movie with the least impressive collection of songs in any Disney animated flick (that I'm familiar with). I don't think the score is quite the classic that others make it out to be, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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