Gnome in Plaid 219 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Spotlight (Shore) - What a huge disappointment. It's not that it's a bad score, in fact I'll probably find it quite effective in context when I get around to seeing it, just so far from what I'd hoped Shore had written for this that the end product is a letdown for me. Shore tackling a very heavy subject with religious connections screams for his trademark gorgeous choral writing, or at least something tragic and intimate like Philadelphia, but there's not a singer to be found, and the ensemble is too small and synth-driven (à la Rosewater) to carry the same beauty as Philadelphia. The score has its moments (14-16 are quite good), but there's not much going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 So basically you are judging the score he didn't write rather then the one he did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 My meaning is that people complaining about having too much music on a release is ridiculous. If it's too much for someone to handle in one go then listen to some of it now and then come back and listen to the rest later. Then listen to the tracks you liked the most more often. An OST being cut down is rather purposeless to me. That's pure customer's perspective. From any artistic standpoint, releasing serviceable background material or, often worse, endless repetitions of the same basic material means denigrating their work. God knows customer has won this battle, but often to the detriment of the music presented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Yet again ironically it's sometimes Williams himself who makes baffling editing decisions on his albums where the arrival at Korooscant is repeated twice. Maybe he forgot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Artists like Williams, Goldsmith etc knew the difference between a film score on album, as a listening experience and its requirements in the film.These days composers just release everything they have verbatim without giving thought about the presentation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 A release like CHAIN REACTION is ample proof that Goldsmith sometimes had strange ideas of what's best, often favouring non-descript thriller material over the musical highlights just because.But since Spotify i often have to wade through unwieldy 125-presentations of material that, at best, holds 30 to 40 minutes of interest. With all this babycrying over oh so important missing material i counter that it is as unacceptable to steal people's time by putting stuff on records that never was meant to be heard stand-alone. It makes you avoiding albums for fear of getting brain damage trying to separate the wheat from the chaff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 A release like CHAIN REACTION is ample proof that Goldsmith sometimes had strange ideas of what's best, often favouring non-descript thriller material over the musical highlights just because.Supergirl is also a weird OST that favours the ominous magic material that meandered quite a bit. He sacrificed a lot of soaring highlights in favour of wallpaper underscore. Maybe he was just really proud of those parts of the score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 More a case of thinking the presentation must be well-balanced, meaning that whereas the typical fan would shove action cue after action cue Goldsmith just said 'the score's 50% suspense 50% action and so is the album'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 What's this attitude, film music equality or affirmative action?I'd say the Supergirl album is 75 percent suspense/noodling underscore, and 25 percent action/majestic bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 The Spielberg/Williams CollaborationJaws (Joel McNeely recording)The Accidental TouristStar Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (expanded edit because the OST is horribly assembled) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 But McNeely's recording is too long. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Oh please stop this nonsense!Drax and Justin should not be encouraged in their glib behavior Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 I love that album, by the way. It's a different incarnation of Jaws, treated almost as a classical piece. I really enjoy it.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 It's one of a few Varese re-recordings I've held on to from that era, the others being the wonderful McNeely Amazing Stories: The Mission and Rick Wentworth Midway due to the horrible sound quality on the actual score release, which I never listen to anyway. The McNeely Jaws is a good interpretation of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Spectre by Thomas NewmanBridge of Spies by Thomas NewmanDie Hard 2: Die Harder by Michael KamenKarol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 JFK OST in Williams' intended album order, but with the songs removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Just on tv. And it IS unholy schmaltz. But i still love the main theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Assassin's Creed Syndicate (Original Game Soundtrack): Austin WintoryI'm having fun with this. Having it whittled down to a brisk 38 minute program it probably is the best new score i got in the last months. Imagine macabre waltzes (shades of Saint-Saens and MEPHISTO WALTZ), scherzos on frenetic violins and dancing woodwinds, wafting mood pieces with a slight ecclesiastical air, gypsy dances, it's all here.And while it is all in a (for film music, anyway) classicist style - to my undending delight there is even fugal writing - that not too many neoromantics might dig, it's sheer musicality is a big selling point. This is far away from Hollywood composers desperately trying to come up with new riffs on the same hoary old clichés but more in common with what british composers like Gunning or even Frankel might have written for one f those bloody 70's JACK THE RIPPER movies. I don't know about the game but with cu titles like 'Waltzing on Rooftops and Cobblestones' it must be in the late 19th century London ballpark.I now follow Wintory on Spotify - a honor that isn't shared by many of is contemporary movie colleagues.Spot on. The game even has Jack the Ripper in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 455 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Listening to Christopher Young's rejected cues from Spider-Man 3. You can tell that Young did his homework on Elfman's previous two scores, and his rejected themes are inspired by Elfman's work but don't quote the themes wholesale. Beautiful.Great stuff. I actually like Young's score way more than the Elfman ones.I am hoping Intrada or LLL does a proper CD release someday. It's a shame Sony doesn't want to pay to use the Elfman material, because Young incorporates it so well in his own cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace OSTIt wasn't horribly botched like Revenge of the Sith or hindered by uninteresting material and a program that too closely followed the film's narrative like Attack of the Clones. Both of those albums feel rushed, not very well thought out. But Phantom really works for me. You can at least say this for it: it's a totally different experience than listening to the complete/chronological score. It flows really well. I get swept up in this one. Maybe it's the quality of the music or Williams actually did assemble a pretty great album. Or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 I think it's both. I fully agree with your views on TPM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 It's missing too many highlights for me to consider it a satisfying release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Yeah, but that is not what they are talking about.The album came out in May and I had to wait till September to see the film. And I loved every second of it.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Even regardless of the missing highlights, I don't find it to be a particularly enticing listening experience. It's too messy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,018 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Was it too messy when your first heard it? When was it anyway? Die HardKarol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Yep, and 1999.It just doesn't feel like there's a logical progression in theway it unfolds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 I love it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Of course you do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Oh please stop this nonsense!Drax and Justin should not be encouraged in their glib behaviorWho's the stiff? Will Tasker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 (I kinda wanted to listen to Heartbeeps, but I had to immediately cease playback when I remembered that score never had an OST album and it's an hour or so of really short tracks in chronological order. Ugh, what a damn shame!)Home Alone OSTThe HauntingCongo OST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'm listening to the Luke/Vader duel from ROTJ, just those legendary 30 seconds, over and over. You could count on one hand the number of more perfectly scored sequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Terrible music. It wasn't even on the original album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 That goofy church choir music? Williams made the right choice leaving that off. If you want to hear that kind of shit, that's what Monsignor's for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Much of the material left off the album is redundant anyway.All I really look forward to in ROTJ is Lapti Nek and Ewok Celebration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Your opinions are both turdish. You are turds. Turd Ferguson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 My opinion is law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,715 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Home Alone by John Williams: We got our first snow here yesterday so I thought to kick off the musical holiday season and pull out this JWs classic. The LLL set is the definitive presentation for me and the 60+ minute score flies past so fast. I really love how the music is a mix of the cheerful holiday sleigh bells and sweet carols and more contemplative dare I say spiritual hymn-like writing embodied by the Star of Bethlehem. Mickey mousing aside the score has damn fine Christmassy melodies and atmosphere to it and the orchestrations are just terrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Memoirs of a Geisha OSTFar too long. This should have been a 35-40 minute album at most. That's what Goldsmith would have done. The suite for cello and orchestra is much closer to what an album presentation for this score should have been. The OST starts to really drag within the first 30 minutes. Not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamTheater 131 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I love the first half of Geisha, not so much the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 The compact disc format has too much room on it. Composers and album producers have been abusing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Jaws 2 A solid and enjoyable John Williams score but not necessarily an essential one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Far too long. This should have been a 35-40 minute album at most. That's what Goldsmith would have done. Often to our unending horrors, cf. THE SHADOW, FIRST KNIGHT, GHOST AND THE DARKNESS, AFO, SMALL SOLDIERS and and and. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Memoirs of a Geisha OSTFar too long. This should have been a 35-40 minute album at most. That's what Goldsmith would have done. The suite for cello and orchestra is much closer to what an album presentation for this score should have been. The OST starts to really drag within the first 30 minutes. Not good.My 3 favorite tracks are actually more towards the end of the album, namely "Destiny's Path", "As the Water" and "A Drean Discarded" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 My issue is a general lack of flow to the whole thing and overabundance of uninteresting music, much of it in the middle of the album. Hook OST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 It's one of Williams finest scores in the post-2000s era!And that end credits piece is phenomenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Music of the gods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 "When You're Alone" is one of the most dreadful and irritating songs ever.Otherwise, Hook is a solid OST. I thought it could use a little more fuckery in the order of the tracks, which follow the film's narrative for the most part. But I suppose that works best for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 No! "We Don't Wanna Grow Up"!That one is at least performed by a competent children's chorus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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