#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Another Star Wars actor that can survive the direction of George Lucas is Ian McDiarmid. Why nobody thinks of putting him in The Game Of Thrones series or Predators 3 is beyond me.AlexChristopher Lee was also fine. Another actor who can survive a bad film on his charisma alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,166 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I'll agree that Ian McDiarmid was pretty good before his, uh, coming out. I mean, he was seriously a breath of fresh air in those movies when most of the actors are so wooden and devoid of any humanity. That said, I still think it was a big disappointment when he turned into "The Emperor", which was a silly caricature of the true badass he was in Return of the Jedi. George just couldn't resist. He of course had to give him a lightsaber and have him spinning around the air in a CGI catastrophe. I reviewed the climactic scenes from Jedi last night and, hell, they made we want to watch the whole trilogy. It's all that great. What's also great is I can still imagine in my mind what could have been for the backstory and just ignore the prequels.Christopher Lee was more boring than algebra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,784 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 I'll agree that Ian McDiarmid was pretty good before his, uh, coming out. I mean, he was seriously a breath of fresh air in those movies when most of the actors are so wooden and devoid of any humanity. That said, I still think it was a big disappointment when he turned into "The Emperor", which was a silly caricature of the true badass he was in Return of the Jedi. George just couldn't resist. He of course had to give him a lightsaber and have him spinning around the air in a CGI catastrophe. I reviewed the climactic scenes from Jedi last night and, hell, they made we want to watch the whole trilogy. It's all that great. What's also great is I can still imagine in my mind what could have been for the backstory and just ignore the prequels.Yeah McDiarmid was excellent in the Prequels until the last section of RotS after his transformation, when he became as you say a CGI catastrophe and cackling madman devoid of gravitas. The Emperor in RotJ is miles ahead of that weird creature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,503 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Jimmy Smits ... it's like Lucas has no effect on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,407 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Yeah, it's like he was never even in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Jimmy who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,503 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Yes, he only had a small part, but he was not stiff and stilted, like 99% of the Prequel cast. He has beaten the toughest test any actor can endure. The road to Predators 4 lies open for him. He's ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,166 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 Oh yeah, NYPD Blue guy. What was he even doing in those movies? Lucas wrote in a tiny role for Bail Organa like an afterthought. He was supposed to be a pivotal character, of course. Ben served him in the Clone Wars and entrusted him with raising Leia. So he's barely in the movies, awkward whenever he is and then announces in the last 10 minutes he wants to adopt a baby girl. Don't get me started on Uncle Owen being related to Anakin now and not even knowing these characters. None of it makes sense. The original Star Wars is no longer canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,184 Posted November 23, 2012 Share Posted November 23, 2012 ArgoIt was a very well made film, and I enjoyed it greatly. Not sure about Best Picture hype, though. Not feeling that.LincolnHowever, I am feeling it here. What a spectacular film! I don't need to get into the acting, superb, but what really shined is the script. I felt so drawn into the character of Lincoln, his flaws and all, and drawn into American politics, dry and all. It's unlike any biopic I've seen. While I haven't seen many best picture contenders, pending their release, I doubt I will like any as much as this film. A high mark for Spielberg, to be sure.John's score was strangely in the background. A success in restraint. It worked well.Sort of spoiler:I will say that the assassination felt very tacked on. If only they had ended it just a few moments earlier, the film would have been utterly flawless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I saw Life of Pi. I thought it was pretty good. Haven't read the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I'll agree that Ian McDiarmid was pretty good before his, uh, coming out. I mean, he was seriously a breath of fresh air in those movies when most of the actors are so wooden and devoid of any humanity. That said, I still think it was a big disappointment when he turned into "The Emperor", which was a silly caricature of the true badass he was in Return of the Jedi. George just couldn't resist. He of course had to give him a lightsaber and have him spinning around the air in a CGI catastrophe. I reviewed the climactic scenes from Jedi last night and, hell, they made we want to watch the whole trilogy. It's all that great. What's also great is I can still imagine in my mind what could have been for the backstory and just ignore the prequels.Yeah McDiarmid was excellent in the Prequels until the last section of RotS after his transformation, when he became as you say a CGI catastrophe and cackling madman devoid of gravitas. The Emperor in RotJ is miles ahead of that weird creature.I disagree, the "safe and secure society" scene is definitely one of the best of the entire saga (partially due to McDiarmid, partially JW, partially George Lucas). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,630 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 LincolnHowever, I am feeling it here. What a spectacular film! I don't need to get into the acting, superb, but what really shined is the script. I felt so drawn into the character of Lincoln, his flaws and all, and drawn into American politics, dry and all. It's unlike any biopic I've seen. While I haven't seen many best picture contenders, pending their release, I doubt I will like any as much as this film. A high mark for Spielberg, to be sure.John's score was strangely in the background. A success in restraint. It worked well.Sort of spoiler:I will say that the assassination felt very tacked on. If only they had ended it just a few moments earlier, the film would have been utterly flawless.All the way with you here, including the spoiler.I think the perfect ending would have been Lincoln walking down the hall, on his way to Ford's Theater. I loved everything about that moment, the way he slips out of frame as he's walking down the stairs, plus his final line earlier in his office ("I wish I could stay longer") did everything to satisfyingly suggest the assassination without needing to actually portray it. Even Johnny's music seemed to want it to end there.I guess I give them credit for breaking the news at the theater Tad was at, rather than actually showing it happen, but I don't think the assassination had any real business being in the story they decided to tell. And it was all handled in such an abrupt and perfunctory way: the weird dissolve from Tad screaming to Lincoln's deathbed, and then that hokey candle-flame transition into the second inaugural speech. Spielberg and Kahn are better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,184 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 LincolnHowever, I am feeling it here. What a spectacular film! I don't need to get into the acting, superb, but what really shined is the script. I felt so drawn into the character of Lincoln, his flaws and all, and drawn into American politics, dry and all. It's unlike any biopic I've seen. While I haven't seen many best picture contenders, pending their release, I doubt I will like any as much as this film. A high mark for Spielberg, to be sure.John's score was strangely in the background. A success in restraint. It worked well.Sort of spoiler:I will say that the assassination felt very tacked on. If only they had ended it just a few moments earlier, the film would have been utterly flawless.All the way with you here, including the spoiler.I think the perfect ending would have been Lincoln walking down the hall, on his way to Ford's Theater. I loved everything about that moment, the way he slips out of frame as he's walking down the stairs, plus his final line earlier in his office ("I wish I could stay longer") did everything to satisfyingly suggest the assassination without needing to actually portray it. Even Johnny's music seemed to want it to end there.I guess I give them credit for breaking the news at the theater Tad was at, rather than actually showing it happen, but I don't think the assassination had any real business being in the story they decided to tell. And it was all handled in such an abrupt and perfunctory way: the weird dissolve from Tad screaming to Lincoln's deathbed, and then that hokey candle-flame transition into the second inaugural speech. Spielberg and Kahn are better than that.The walking out of frame was such a perfect ending that I have to wonder if the assassination was added after the film was more or less completed just to give dumber audiences what they want. I am reminded of Marie Antoinette, which stops short of her assassination, which many, I understand, were disappointed with. It seems an action of restraint not just to show that, but it great benefited the film not to show it. I guess I can accept the ending in the concept of that walking out of frame. It still has poignancy when I think that for that servant, this is the last time he will see Lincoln alive. It says to me, even though he died, he will still be remembered that way. The film would have been better without it, but I can live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,166 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Spielberg couldn't resist having a long scene of closeups on guy smiling as Lincoln walks away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,194 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Enough with the spoilers, already!!! The U.K doesn't get the film until January 25th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Just don't fuck with JW's "With Malice Towards None" and I'll be fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 38,660 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Enough with the spoilers, already!!! The U.K doesn't get the film until January 25th.I'm confused... are you complaining about the spoiler tags or were the posts edited since your post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,194 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I'm complaining that I read the spoilers, and that they will ruin the movie!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,184 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Spielberg couldn't resist having a long scene of closeups on guy smiling as Lincoln walks away.Yes, because it is very effective, and, in the context, is very appropriate and works very well. Just because something is typical of Spielberg doesn't mean doesn't work. On the contrary, it worked excellently, being the moment when I realized it was more than just a good Spielberg film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,503 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Oh yeah, NYPD Blue guy. What was he even doing in those movies? Lucas wrote in a tiny role for Bail Organa like an afterthought. He was supposed to be a pivotal character, of course. Ben served him in the Clone Wars and entrusted him with raising Leia. So he's barely in the movies, awkward whenever he is and then announces in the last 10 minutes he wants to adopt a baby girl. Don't get me started on Uncle Owen being related to Anakin now and not even knowing these characters. None of it makes sense. The original Star Wars is no longer canon.Can't you focus on the topic of discussion? This has nothing to do with the art of 'acting'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dutton 7,166 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I try master! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmmusic 2,128 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Enemy Mine in Bluray! (yesterday)I had never seen this and i love 80s sci fi.I enjoyed it a lot and it was worth my blind buy!I also liked the Maurice Jarre score very much (the orchestral parts), and this release benefits from an isolated score track too..(the Film i saw before that was The Rains of Ranchipur, also a Twilight Time BLuray release, and also worthy of my blind buy!I was especially impressed by the (Oscar nominated) optical effects of the era..Something that I can't say for recent films. I'm not impressed at all by CGI anymore.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,358 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Die Hard 4.0 AKA. Live Free or Die HardNot as bad as Quint says. It barely feels like it belongs to the series, though. Just not this filmmaking era.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 It feels like a proper Die Hard film to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,254 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I think I'm the only one here that found it quite good. My only issue is with the PG-13 rating.EDIT - Ah, guess Steef thinks so too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,358 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 It's entertaining, I'll give it that. And that's the only thing that I could ever want from it. The villain is kid of weak, though. That Asian chick is much more memorable.And Bruce has still got it!It feels like a proper Die Hard film to meYeah, I guess it does. But those films always belonged to a different time to me. It's kind of strange to watch it on the 00's., if you know what I mean.One more thing: I like Marco Beltrami's score. Not anything of the Kamen's caliber, of course. But he honours the man here.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Yes i appreciated that he tried to follow the Kamen style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 10,194 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Beltrami did as good a job on "DH4" as he did on "The Omen". He even quoted some of the themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,407 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 DH4 is another decade-too-late sequel which plays out as a gushing homage to itself but ends up as very cringy parody. Also commits the cardinal sin of having big fake cg shots, making it completely detached from the rawness of the action in the earlier movies. It's like Disney bought the licence... Some people don't think Indy 4 is all that bad either, which makes sense since DH4 is remarkably similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Nonsense, the first two films have some very obvious and fake special effect shots, they just weren't CGI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,407 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The one ridiculous shot I can remember is the ejector seat explosion, which became pretty iconic at the time Nobody remembers the stupid cg stunt truck from DH4. Because it's boring.If With a Vengeance was made today, the central park taxi scene would be all cg. Swooping Peter Jackson style camera shots spinning around the taxi (imagine how YELLOW it would be), with enormous numbers of civilians diving for cover like ants, as powered by MASSIVEâ„¢. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Did you see the Die Hard 5 trailer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,407 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Nah, I try to avoid movie trailers these days. Like to go in blind like I did with Skyfall. I'm not expecting much from the new Die Hard, but if word of mouth is good I'll be there.Hey, do they have fucking annoying 'red carpet' scenes in your country prior to the movie (after the trailers) which show loads of clips from the very film you're just about to watch? WTF are they doing with that shit? I've actually started anticipating it and looking away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 No, thank god they dont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,407 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Lucky you. The most stupid promotion practice I've ever known. I even instruct people I'm with to look away during it, it winds me up that badly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Why would they do that? Thats like showing the trailer of the film your about to see? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,407 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Selfish movie spoiling sponsorship. It's almost as annoying as seeing phones lighting up around the auditorium during the movie, the blue borders of Facebook shining on the twat's face.I go to the cinema less and less for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,358 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Well, Quint, I can't convince you you're wrong on Die Hard 4 (even though you are ), but it has one thing that Indy 4 doesn't - Bruce Willis is still believable as an action star.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,540 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 It's almost as annoying as seeing phones lighting up around the auditorium during the movie, the blue borders of Facebook shining on the twat's face.Hahahaha! How true this is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,358 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Truer words never were spoken (posted) on this forum.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Selfish movie spoiling sponsorship. It's almost as annoying as seeing phones lighting up around the auditorium during the movie, the blue borders of Facebook shining on the twat's face.I go to the cinema less and less for a reason.Checking a phone is fine during the commercials and trailers. But when the actual movie starts that shit has to be put on silent and pocketed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,540 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I think phones (as well as food, drinks and ugly people) should be prohibited in cinemas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,540 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Of course you do. You always need your M&M's and Diet Coke when watching a film!You simply cannot spend two hours without having something in your mouth... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I'd rather have some kind of chips and an ice tea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,304 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I don't know if I should go see Skyfall tonight, or Life of Pi next week, or instead save the money for other films. Decisions, decisions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,407 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 Just posted a large multi paragraph post about my abandonment of films at the cinema and it vanished into thin air after submitting it. Shite forum.Long story short: the distributors don't want people to switch off their phones during movies anymore because it pays to have people talk about your movie on FB - even if it's in the theatre. The realisation came to me just as Skyfall was about to begin when the customary "please turn off your phone" message was amended to "please make your phone silent." "Fuck the patrons, they've already paid. Tell your Internet friends all about the movie. Cheers."The Hobbit movies will be the last movies I see at the cinema. Home comfort and no disruptions is everything where movies are concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,358 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 I don't know if I should go see Skyfall tonight, or Life of Pi next week, or instead save the money for other films. Decisions, decisions...Save your money for LLL/Intrada releases. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,304 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 AAARGH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,360 Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 The Hobbit movies will be the last movies I see at the cinema. Home comfort and no disruptions is everything where movies are concerned.I only go to the cinema for films I'm really interested in anyway. Though that might be different in my city had an actual cinema of its own.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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