KK 3,307 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Fair enough.If it's any consolation, I think the score's great. I may sometimes whine or indulge in wishful thinking about how I would have liked some parts of the score to have been, but I do stress that I enjoy and appreciate this score very much.I'll be writing a review soon, and hopefully that'll offer a more balanced representation of my thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Hey can't people still love the score with some criticism on the side?No, to "love" this score is to champion the corporatization of art music, and to further entrench an insidious climate of conformity that obviates risk-taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 So...rage against the machine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I don't see much love for the score with criticism on the side though. I see the usual JWFan griping and bellyaching, the same repeated buzzy negative sentiments, with any enthusiasm or even begrudging praise now a thing of last month save one or two voices. The most frustrating part though is that any attempt to actually discuss the score in any other context typically just leads to more of this same crap. I know every time I post in this thread, or mention the score or film in another, someone will restart the BS. When I post my analysis, will people actually talk about the fucking score, or moan about what they wish it had been?I wonder who is going to be the "me" of Episode VII when both the film and score inevitably attract the whiners.What context would you prefer to discuss this score in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Theoretical analyses, thematic deconstruction, instrumentations and textures, its relation to other Nolan and non-Nolan Zimmer scores, differences between album and film usage/arrangement/editing, any unused material that may surface when the box set is released, Zimmer and Nolan's process, any interviews or insights that pop up around the web regarding the score... etc.The music itself, not everyone and their mother's personal feelings on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Forget it Pilgrim, it's JWFan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Forget it Pilgrim, it's JWFan.Aye. Unfortunately, I suck, and probably won't forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 How does Zimmer's approach to scoring Nolan's films differ from Julyan's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 Why doesn't it sound like Ch'ella mi creda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Hey can't people still love the score with some criticism on the side? Or must we love Zimmer unconditionally, in all aspects of his one true genius, and deny that he is capable of fault?That's really the only problem i have with TGP's unrelenting defense of this score and film.I love both, but apparently its not allowed to have any other opinion then that they are utterly flawless in every way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Hey can't people still love the score with some criticism on the side? Or must we love Zimmer unconditionally, in all aspects of his one true genius, and deny that he is capable of fault?That's really the only problem i have with TGP's unrelenting defense of this score and film.I love both, but apparently its not allowed to have any other opinion then that they are utterly flawless in every way.I see you're continuing to ignore every single post I make about how "opinion" is not at all what I am or have been arguing about.How does Zimmer's approach to scoring Nolan's films differ from Julyan's?I'm looking forward to thinking about this and posting something later tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1_freeze 131 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 The first great Zimmer score in more than 10 years. I give the score and the movie strong 4 out of 5 stars. The only thing the score suffers from is too much repetition in its thematic material. I hated most of Zimmers output this last decade but he finally delivered a score worthy of his 90s and early 2000 highlights (The Lion King, Gladiator, Prince of Egypt) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Hey can't people still love the score with some criticism on the side? Or must we love Zimmer unconditionally, in all aspects of his one true genius, and deny that he is capable of fault?That's really the only problem i have with TGP's unrelenting defense of this score and film.I love both, but apparently its not allowed to have any other opinion then that they are utterly flawless in every way.I see you're continuing to ignore every single post I make about how "opinion" is not at all what I am or have been arguing about.But that sort of is what this ongoing debate is about. Some people say the music is repetitive and not varied enough and therefore cannot possibly be engaging on a higher level, but you are arguing against that, citing your own transcendent experience as proof. The music is the same regardless of who is talking about it, therefore it has to be the person's ears and brains processing the information differently. It's an entirely subjective discussion which is why it isn't going anywhere. Let Blume enjoy his Brian Eno, and just enjoy the music for yourself. That's what I've been doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Hey can't people still love the score with some criticism on the side? Or must we love Zimmer unconditionally, in all aspects of his one true genius, and deny that he is capable of fault?That's really the only problem i have with TGP's unrelenting defense of this score and film.I love both, but apparently its not allowed to have any other opinion then that they are utterly flawless in every way.I see you're continuing to ignore every single post I make about how "opinion" is not at all what I am or have been arguing about.But that sort of is what this ongoing debate is about. Some people say the music is repetitive and not varied enough and therefore cannot possibly be engaging on a higher level, but you are arguing against that, citing your own transcendent experience as proof. The music is the same regardless of who is talking about it, therefore it has to be the person's ears and brains processing the information differently. It's an entirely subjective discussion which is why it isn't going anywhere. Let Blume enjoy his Brian Eno, and just enjoy the music for yourself. That's what I've been doing.Well exactly. I'm not trying to tell anyone their opinion is wrong. It's just irksome when people state theirs as fact. And then get indignant when someone dares to point that out and ask them why. And I realize that happens every day on every subject on the internet, but it's good sport in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF1_freeze 131 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Isn't it great that Hans Zimmer finally delivered a score that most people on JWFAN actually like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Indeed!And I'm loving the new avatar Grey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 How does Zimmer's approach to scoring Nolan's films differ from Julyan's?I think I need to really listen to their first three collaborations to answer this well. I've never been a fan of those scores, although Insomnia has a certain very occasional appeal to it. But going off of what I remember about them, and the great The Prestige, I think there actually isn't a big difference in the core aesthetic goal of the composer. The idea of using generally unchanging, or subtly changing, pieces as recurring musical framing rather than musical cells that evolve and develop radically with the story seems to have been Nolan's approach from the start. But those early scores take it to an extreme, where the music is astonishingly sparse and repetitive - in fact I think there's probably a good deal of tracking in them. It would be interesting to know just how much of Nolan's increased interest in and willingness to include richer music in and after Batman Begins had to do with a simple necessity of working on a larger cinematic canvas, and how much had to do with JNH and especially Zimmer's counsel. The fact that they're close friends suggests that they probably have a really deep influence on each other artistically. I wouldn't be surprised if Zimmer embraced Nolan's musical philosophy but gently suggested that he could be just a bit less minimal about things. So even Nolan's brief return to Julyan and a smaller scale with The Prestige still yielded more musical returns than before. I know a few younger directors myself who are rather afraid of music, in a weird way, and in need of some sound reassurance that it's ok to use it. I guess that's better than being an advocate for the current generic maximalism right from the start.What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Theoretical analyses, thematic deconstruction, instrumentations and textures, its relation to other Nolan and non-Nolan Zimmer scores, differences between album and film usage/arrangement/editing, any unused material that may surface when the box set is released, Zimmer and Nolan's process, any interviews or insights that pop up around the web regarding the score... etc.The music itself, not everyone and their mother's personal feelings on it. *chirp* *chirp*Ready...set...go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I know a few younger directors myself who are rather afraid of music, in a weird way, and in need of some sound reassurance that it's ok to use it.Interesting observation! I have to deal with the same kind of thing (though I hardly have your expertise), where directors often want something ultra-minimalistic where even a drone is ideal for them. This is the common approach for a lot of up and coming indie filmmakers.After all, Nolan was, is and will always be an independent filmmaker, or at least in his approach to filmmaking. The way he works with his budget, films with practical, tangible techniques over the computer, his efficiency on set, etc are all signs of an indie director, just one who is now offered huge budgets and is widely respected. And this reflects in his preference for minimalistic scores. It's still that mindset from his days of Memento, and in that sense, he's kind of like what he likes to describes Zimmer as; a minimalist with maximalist production values. And that has reflected in his film scores, from the Julyan works to Zimmer. But as you said, the latter has probably helped him expand that scope and vision a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 So even Nolan's brief return to Julyan and a smaller scale with The Prestige still yielded more musical returns than before.The thing to note with this is that Zimmer produced the score and it was recorded at RCP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Indeed, and "recorded" with some really neat techniques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 A good portion of it was sampled and synthesized. Meyerson took the stems and played them back out into a real space and recorded the result. It's called "worldizing" and usually applies to sound effects, but really is just the idea of recording a non-acoustic sound source in a real space to add a dimension of realism. I'd love to get my hands on a good space to "worldize" some of my mockups! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Alternate Zimmer in FYC spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,350 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 So has that super duper electric light edition come out yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 So... any news what it might contain?Any information whatsoever?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 None whatsoever, Karol. Quite honestly, I wouldn't worry myself about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Why? Is it even coming out?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Oh I was just quoting HAL. It's coming out. No information though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted December 7, 2014 Share Posted December 7, 2014 Yes, I'd like to hear it, Pilgrim. Sing it for me.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Someone on NF posted the supposed track list for the box set. The tracklist of the Illuminated Star Projection Edition has been released:Disc 1: Original Motion Picture Soundtrack1. Dreaming Of The Crash2. Cornfield Chase3. Dust4. Day One5. Stay6. Message From Home7. The Wormhole8. Mountains9. Afraid Of Time10. A Place Among The Stars11. Running Out12. I'm Going Home13. Coward14. Detach15. S.T.A.Y.16. Where We're Going Disc 2: Bonus Disc1. First Step2. Flying Drone3. Atmospheric Entry4. No Need To Come Back5. Imperfect Lock6. What Happens Now?7. Who's They?*8. Murph*9. Organ Variation*10. Tick - Tock*11. Day One (Original Demo)*12. Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night* Bonus material with 35 minutes of music unavailable anywhere else.Source: amazon.deTracks 1-6 and 12 are the same as on the Digital Deluxe Edition.Track 7 might be the same as the FYC version (same title).Track 8 is probably a suite containing the father-daughter love theme.Track 9 is Hans going crazy on Temple Church's organ. Holy moly!Track 10 is probably a suite containing the beginning of Mountains or even the climax.Track 11 is the original demo that Hans wrote for Chris that made the director say "I suppose Id better make the movie, now."No Time for Caution is not includedSo nothing fantastically new, though Hans shredding at the organ console is exciting. But between this and the FYC this score has been treated really well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Lame it doesn't include "Day One Dark" and "No Time For Caution" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 If only to have the former in FLAC yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro 147 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Some of you may enjoy my conversation with Christopher Nolan and Hans Zimmer on the score. SOME. crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Very cool read, Tim!I thought this part was interesting:Christopher Nolan: Hans has the best sample library in the world. And what we’ve done on every film is, we’ve worked a long time with just what comes out of his studio, his synthesizers—which are incredibly advanced. Then we go and we do mammoth recording sessions where we just find that extra something, the incremental improvement—sometimes of massive importance—of having human beings playing real instruments. Hans is a real believer in that organic process. I am too. Every time we think the score is almost finished, we then go and do the recording session, and we just find something more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Thanks for sharing that. Very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Awesome, thanks for sharing! Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I told you guys it sounded like a Wallmart relaxation tape.I was right, in the movie one of the characters gives the other character a relaxation tape with weather sound effects to relax. That's what's over the music in the OST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 No shit Sherlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I'm sure this was observed before, but I haven't read this whole thread because I don't like the score no matter whatPretty much the same with every new "masterpiece" Zimmer churns out in the past few years. By comparison even the Hobbit music sounds like The Empire Strikes Back Bilbo and Gruesome Son of a Bitch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 TGP is just being a defensive fanboy again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Wait I like one cue in Man of Steel. This is my only entry of Zimmer in my Mega Best Of Compilation that has hundreds of composers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 For those wondering, the end credits suite on the scrolling credits (non-IMAX) version goes Who's They > a mix of Decoding the Message from 4:00 onwards > what I think is a mix of Quantifiable Connection>What Happens Now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 There is unreleased material in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Interstellar: Illuminated Star Projection Box finally available for pre-order in Europe (it's supposed to come out in February).Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 There is unreleased material in the middle.Those are the "mixes", yes, unreleased Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Mixes? There are more than just differences in the levels, etc. There are some totally different instrumentations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Interstellar: Illuminated Star Projection Box finally available for pre-order in Europe (it's supposed to come out in February).KarolFebruary?! It's already been 2 months! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,017 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Is it out in America then?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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