Wojo 2,453 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Pellaeon said: Can’t we coexist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Can there be a peace between us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 We come in peace and you blatantly defy that peace. For that I shall blow you out of the stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Huh huh. You said blow. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,552 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill. We come in peace, shoot to kill. Scotty, beam me up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 There's Klingons on the starboard bow, starboard bow, starboard bow Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,552 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 ...scrape 'em off, Jim! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Just finished watching "Past Tense" for the first time. How the _hell_ did I ever miss this in my initial watch? Immediately one of my favorite Star Trek episodes. A powerful story that moved me to tears in a couple moments, this two-parter is why people get upset when they see the "Star Trek" name attached to a bunch of shooting, fast ships, make-out scenes, and destruction. It could only have been told in Deep Space Nine, and only in its earlier seasons, before it got so consumed with all the Dominion War stuff and the bogus cartoony magic religion prophecy junk. There are so many great little moments that add so much depth to the characters, particularly Sisko and Julian. If I had one shot to prove to somebody that Deep Space Nine is worth watching, this one would be one of the top choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Past Tense is something of a classic IMO. And sadly becoming more and more relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Indeed. https://www.themarysue.com/star-trek-deep-space-nine-past-tense-chillingly-predictive/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 3 hours ago, woj said: Indeed. https://www.themarysue.com/star-trek-deep-space-nine-past-tense-chillingly-predictive/ An intelligent, level-headed article on the Mary Sue? Maybe there _is_ hope for a more Star Trek-like future. Thinking of it, this has some of the best guest performances on Star Trek that I've seen. Poor man's Robert DeNiro did a great job as a (stereo)typical gruff dude who works for a check with not a single care towards the suffering around him, eventually morphing into a more compassionate person that sees the humanity in the whole situation (while still being true to the gruff wiseguy). One of my favorite moments of the whole thing was when he, another hostage, and Sisko were debating baseball, before the National Guard stormed the building. Frank Military has a similar transformation, on the opposite "team", being an apathetic punk who just tries to milk the painful state of society to preserve himself as he's no doubt felt pushed to do. Gradually his compassion subtly comes to the fore, while never breaking character, an impressive feat on both the writer's and actor's part. The dude who played Webb brought out the determined everyday, genteel family man who reluctantly ended up pushing for a revolt. Though Sisko and Webb never really have a true "getting to know each other" talk, you can feel they have a close relationship under adversity, and though it's never mentioned, the subtext of two fathers bonding, with Sisko empathizing with a man who wants to make a better world for his son and family, is a powerful undercurrent, and it's telling that Sisko's reaction to Webb's death is one of the most blatantly emotional we ever got from him. Tina Lifford didn't have _too_ much to do, on the surface, but in a lot of ways she's the show's conscience, being an employee who clearly disagrees with the sociopolitical climate, but feels powerless to change it, bound to resonate with many of us when confronted about the harsh state of the things we see happening around us. She delivers some of the most powerful lines in not the episode but perhaps Star Trek as a whole, and she delivers it with chilling distance and resignation. A great performance from an actress I've never heard of before (she's also goddamn gorgeous, and looking her up she's definitely aged very well). I think that I actually prefer this episode to Far Beyond the Stars: though I love that episode, it covers my favorite period of history, and was my introduction to Deep Space Nine, this one feels so much more dramatically compelling, and the two parts really flesh out the world and characters to make everything hit so well in the second part. Also, while I love Deep Space Nine and consider it the best Star Trek series, I feel like the show, ironically for its great and nuanced depiction of humanity, felt dorkier and dorkier as it went on. I can't quite articulate why, as many of the best and most powerful episodes came from the later seasons, but...I don't know, it's like the show got so into itself and the intricacies of its costume alien drama...I can definitely see why it wouldn't appeal to people the same way say Next Generation has. And even Far Beyond the Stars has this vibe to me, being wedged so deeply into the Dominion War, that I prefer the "detached" freedom that Deep Space Nine existed in when Past Tense aired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: I feel like the show, ironically for its great and nuanced depiction of humanity, felt dorkier and dorkier as it went on I don't know man, that first season was dorky as hell. Maybe we're defining the quality differently, but episodes like "Move Along Home" and "If Wishes Were Horses" (aka the Rumpelstiltskin one) are so cringey to watch now. Like for me dorky = lame. And a lot of early DS9 can be super lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I don't know man, that first season was dorky as hell. Maybe we're defining the quality differently, but episodes like "Move Along Home" and "If Wishes Were Horses" (aka the Rumpelstiltskin one) are so cringey to watch now. Like for me dorky = lame. And a lot of early DS9 can be super lame. I don't remember most of those. I think you're right in that we define dorky differently. A lot of those early episodes are lame beyond belief, and maybe they're dorky as well, but a lot of the later episodes are super-dorky but still really great, if you've bought into the show. See it from the awareness of an outsider, though? Eugh. Of course with episodes like the one where Kira and Jake get possessed or whatever and have that stupid-ass laser beam magic duel that has since dominated movies, you get the best(worst) of both worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 24, 2019 Author Share Posted August 24, 2019 Dixon Hill and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 1, 2019 Author Share Posted September 1, 2019 Anyone else prefer Star Trek to everything else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 He juuuust keeept taaallkiiinng in ooone looong incredibly unbroken sentence moving from topic to topic so that no one had a chance to interrupt it was really quite hypnotic, notic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 9/1/2019 at 3:51 AM, Thekthithm said: Anyone else prefer Star Trek to everything else? This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 First Contact is the best one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 My favorites are Generations and The Final Frontier. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Star Trek films, while they are great films, never felt like big cinematic movies, but rather like a multiple parts TV episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 5, 2019 Author Share Posted September 5, 2019 TV is where it's at now, like Breaking Bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Presidential candidate Cory Booker agrees with this thread premise https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/06/arts/television/cory-booker-star-trek.html He also says Trump is Ferengi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Picard is French, not British! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 He’s Fritish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Watching season four of TNG and came across David Ogden Stiers as Timicin in 'Half a Life'. Thought he bore a resemblance to an 80's John Williams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Yes, and you're certainly not the first to notice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Grading the Star Treks A The Next Generation Seasons 3-7 The Original Series Seasons 1-2 2009 The Wrath of Khan B First Contact Into Darkness The Undiscovered Country The Voyage Home Beyond C The Original Series Season 3 The Animated Series D The Next Generation Seasons 1-2 The Search for Spock F Generations Nemesis Insurrection The Motion Picture The Final Frontier I pulled the audience ratings from Rotten Tomatoes for all the main Star Treks. It’s not scientific but it’s a little interesting, if rather what you would expect. TV fans turn out with high scores for their favorite seasons; and the crowd-pleasing “even movies” and the reboot movies fare well. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Fine, here are the spinoff shows, too… A Deep Space Nine Seasons 3-7 C Voyager Seasons 4-7 Enterprise D Deep Space Nine Seasons 1-2 Voyager Seasons 1-3 F Discovery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Rest in peace, Nog. Aron Eisenberg passed away today at 50 after a sudden illness. I think it was kidney related. https://twitter.com/Malissa_Longo/status/1175620223023628288 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Poor guy. He's a great character! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Very sad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,914 Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 Bill Shatner had so much charm back in the day but damn those trekkies were strange. Anyway, cute early Star Trek mania interview that shows what life was life just around the time Star Wars came out. We were strange people back then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Hehe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Yet Star Trek is constantly revelling in hatred and xenophobia, it deals with it every time they encounter another race, and is most definitely not free of poverty - for Earth and The Federation maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 46 minutes ago, Arpy said: Yet Star Trek is constantly revelling in hatred and xenophobia, it deals with it every time they encounter another race, and is most definitely not free of poverty - for Earth and The Federation maybe. Sexist too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 We will not debate its profound wisdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 That second clip is terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I saw that yesterday. Looks like those Rick and Morty dudes got to Star Trek earlier than we thought! Is this actually what Discovery is like, is that embarrassing? What's almost as bad is some commenters claiming that Barclay should have been relieved of duty as well, and justifying the hot brat's behavior. The only redeeming factor is the dude who voiced the coach in Home Movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Star Trek is about people working together. The Barclay character was great because he's a shy socially awkward recluse that people initially can't work with who becomes a well-liked integral crewman. Arpy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Disco Stu said: This is the modern, socially progressive world in which we live. The man has age that should bring experience, but the younger woman has the rank, so she dismisses him and anything she doesn't want him to bring to the table. It looks like he dies as a result, though I haven't seen the episode and in Star Trek, dead isn't always dead. It looks dreadful but relevant to the SJW movement. We've had decades of Kirk, Picard, and Riker dismissing women and their contributions. Turnabout is fair play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, woj said: The man has age that should bring experience, but the younger woman has the rank, so she dismisses him and anything she doesn't want him to bring to the table. It looks like he dies as a result, though I haven't seen the episode and in Star Trek, dead isn't always dead. It's a Short Trek, which are short one-offs that generally don't bleed into the main plot. In fact, is this the one Giacchino directed? It plays like something Giacchino would direct. I think it's something Giacchino directed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 36 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: It's a Short Trek, which are short one-offs that generally don't bleed into the main plot. In fact, is this the one Giacchino directed? It plays like something Giacchino would direct. I think it's something Giacchino directed. Nope. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt11075922/?ref_=m_ttep_ep_ep2 One thing is clear: no one is at the wheel. I’ve never been one of those Roddenberry loyalists who think every new Trek should pass some idea of what he would do.... but come on. That ain’t Trek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: Nope. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt11075922/?ref_=m_ttep_ep_ep2 One thing is clear: no one is at the wheel. Not even Deacon Blues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 7:34 PM, Disco Stu said: Discovery looks like shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 That much is certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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