Jilal 569 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 No, we shall hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Exactly.The thing about Williams is that when he sketches, everything is already so complete, that it's basically just a copyist job of putting the music on bigger paper. There's no real "orchestration" that needs to be done.Conrad Pope has said something to this effect. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 We'll hear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Marian Schedenig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricsim88 244 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Exactly.The thing about Williams is that when he sketches, everything is already so complete, that it's basically just a copyist job of putting the music on bigger paper. There's no real "orchestration" that needs to be done.Conrad Pope has said something to this effect. A few years back I exchanged a few messages with Conrad Pope and that's exactly what he said. And for owning quite a few sketches myself it definitely looks like everything is there. In a ESB cue he actually specifies the number of horns playing a passage, in this case it was 6. That's pretty detailed. I could probably orchestrate his sketches if I could only read his damn handwriting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jilal 569 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Wait - didn't Conrad Pope actually mention that somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Wait - didn't Conrad Pope actually mention that somewhere?Supposedly, but JWFAN is no longer a reliable source (and hasn't been for some time now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Shhhhh, we shouldn't joke anymore. The more serious members are getting angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I'm a very serious person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hlao-roo 389 Posted April 18, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 18, 2015 "I consider my own efforts in film composition to be serious, and I encourage other composers to take the medium seriously." Brónach, Sharkissimo and karelm 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 "I consider my own efforts in film composition to be serious, and I encourage other composers to take the medium seriously."If you start taking yourself seriously, then you’re in deep trouble! - Jerry Goldsmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Quit monkeying around, you two! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Does no one have respect for John Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 There is none righteous, no, not one: there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after John Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Shhhhh, we shouldn't joke anymore. The more serious members are getting angry.Fuck you! And the horse you rode in on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Aren't you supposed to say "fuck your post" instead of personally attacking me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostinspace 8 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 It's mystifying why they call it orchestration when as Conrad Pope has said it's a 2% job - The sketch usually specifies string groups. The more basic the sketch is the more the orchestrator can contribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,914 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 It's mystifying why they call it orchestration when as Conrad Pope has said it's a 2% job - The sketch usually specifies string groups. The more basic the sketch is the more the orchestrator can contribute.Sometimes it's a 200% job where the composer asks the orchestrator to create music where none existed before ("the director doesn't like what I have for this cue, can you come up with something different that's better?") which isn't orchestrating but is composing. I guess between those jobs and orchestrating for JW, it averages out but the more experienced and trained you are, the less need you'll have for the services of the orchestrator as anything other than a second set of eyes and someone to flush out the short hand into a full score that the copyist can then take and create parts from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Well karelm is a Hollywood orchestrator, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Really? Why does he post here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 See my signature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 I cant see it on my phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Your loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 KK. is wise beyond his years! KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafeUnderHill 205 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=19752&p=1089075 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Oh, just for videogame scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 WRONG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 1, 2015 Share Posted May 1, 2015 Hey I don't judge! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Music is music, regardless of its intended audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Yeah right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,044 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Other Hollywood orchestrators have mentioned it, too, although they rarely cite specific composers' names (for obvious reasons). Film score orchestration has always encompassed a wide variety of approaches, with the work Williams' orchestrators do sitting at one end of the spectrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,914 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Really? Why does he post here?Because he's a JW fan. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Hmmm...i guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Did we ever settle the orchestration question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 What was the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 How do you feel?How do you feel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I do not understand the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 It's how we all feel, Mr. Spock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 What was the question?Lol well Jay moved it here, but I asked because BB mentioned Pope in the other thread, and then I couldn't remember where this ended up, whether Williams was just doing it himself or if Pope or whoever else were assisting as usual. Alexander mentioned that he asked Pope who told him he wasn't asked back so I guess that's that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 BB was joking about Pope conducting in that other thread.The Pope rumors/whatever you want to call it came from this threadhttp://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25241&page=3#entry1110990 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Right, I assumed he was joking but I just meant that it reminded me I couldn't actually remember where this left off So are we just assuming that FSM post was inaccurate then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,369 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 We don't REALLY know anything.What the likely scenario is: Pope is the CREDITED orchestrator for SW7, but Williams' sketches are 100% detailed for this score, so he literally provides no orchestration at all, he's just "copying" up from sketch to full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 It would be prudent to assume that Pope is performing his usual duties on this score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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