#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Story?The are the Republic. The seat of government obviously. And the evil Nazi-like First Order blew them away. Seems perfectly clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Where did the First Order get all the money to build the Starkiller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Taxation of trade routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 The search for more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Taxation of trade routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 What ending? I never saw the post you're referring to~Well, don't let it happen again!Here's the original writeup I didhttp://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=24637&page=45entry1095084Who's the fittie in the background?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_CooksonI think he meant Colin Firth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 STAR WARSEpisode VIIIThe Balance Of The ForceThe galaxy is in choas!After the destruction of the New Republic Senate,which has resurrected after the destruction of the Empireafter the Battle of Endor, which killed Emperor Palpatineand his most loyal vazal DARTH VADER. The evil First Ordertries to establish itself as the ulimate ruling force. But the RESISTANCEcombats them at every turn! led by General Leia Organa, of royal bloodand sister of Luke Skywalker, the Last Jedi who dissapeared ages agoafter his nephew Ben, who now goes by the name Kylo Ren turned to theDark Side after the manipulations of the sinister Snoke.Little does Snoke know that Rey, the Scavenger woman from the desertworld Jakku had made contact with Skywalker.Dadda...dadda...dadda.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,338 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 What ending? I never saw the post you're referring to How Solo dies, I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Sorry, I have no idea what you're trying to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleo 63 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I know that one shouldn't look for realism in a Star Wars movie, but the whole Starkiller Base thing is so outlandish and preposterous that I have great difficulty to suspend disbelief here. Is that Planet thing mobile? Or would it have been useless after the second shot, having used up the system's sun? I cannot see how this thing could possibly have been constructed (and why it was necessary to alter the planet so much to begin with)... And: Why can you see the destruction of the Hosnian (?) System instantly presumably lightyears away in the sky of Maz' Planet, where the individual destroyed planets look like nearby moons? That's even worse than the destruction of Vulcan in Star Trek not having the slightest effect on its moon (?) where Spock has to watch it. I think Abrams just hates physics ;-)Other than that I mostly enjoyed the movie despite the many déjà vus. I do find it strange that the movie explains so little of what happened in the last 30 years, though. It apparently attempts to mimick the effect A New Hope had on its original viewers - but Lucas always intended to explain all that in Episode I-III as soon as it was clear that Star Wars was a financial success. Now all we can expect to perhaps see some of the missing events in a TV series or spin-off. Am I the only one who would have liked to see how Luke trained his Jedi students and failed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Quick question, how does a bad guy, who's supposed to be the new stand-in wannabe Vader, Get pretty much owned by a soul brutha with no training and a desert scavenger with no training (don't give me that "she's strong with the force" crap), both with absolutely no idea how to use a lightsaber? Easy, he was bleeding from the hip out of a blaster wound courtesy of ChewieAnd both Finn and Rey clearly fought in a way that showed they didn't really know how to use it. Ren's injury forced the duels to be way more competitive then they would have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 but Lucas always intended to explain all that in Episode I-III as soon as it was clear that Star Wars was a financial success.I call bullshit on this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I would change the name 'Snoke' because it sounds really stupid. I especially cringed when Leia and Han said it. It's the new 'Youngling'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleo 63 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 but Lucas always intended to explain all that in Episode I-III as soon as it was clear that Star Wars was a financial success.I call bullshit on this!Well, maybe not from the very beginning on, but very soon after the initial release the "Episode IV" title appeared, so I guess he at least wanted to make the prequels from then on. Anyway, I do agree that the approach works in Episode IV, but given the structure of the Star was Saga as it is now it IS weird that so many important things are just left out of the continuous storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I would change the name 'Snoke'This I agree with. It's all wrong for such an apparently imposing character. Or is it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 but Lucas always intended to explain all that in Episode I-III as soon as it was clear that Star Wars was a financial success. I call bullshit on this!Beat me to it! Lucas planned one film, and when it became an insane success he made the rest up as he went along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Only the fanboys believe his "I always had it all mapped out in my head" BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I'm sure Lucas had some leftover ideas and concepts in rough form that came from the many, many version that he did of the Star Wars script, but to say that he actively planned a 9 part saga in the 1970's, when sequels completely depended on the financial success of the previous film?No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 20, 2015 Author Share Posted December 20, 2015 Lucas wrote most of the original trilogy out, (not fully scripted, but the story) and took the first act of his story, and it became A New Hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleo 63 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 I probably misphrased my point. I don't believe (and never believed) he planned the prequels from the very beginning either (nor did he know what his movie would actually look and be like until very late in the process of making it - one just has to look at the early artwork and scripts). Only that he certainly had the idea/hope of making the prequels after the first movie had become very successful ("Episode IV" from the first re-release onward) - and there were very likely no detailed plans at that point yet (why would there be so many inconstencies between the trilogies otherwise?). All I am saying is that the new movie mimicks an effect of Episode IV that, thanks to the prequels, is no longer there and feels strange to me now. There is a gap now in the saga as it is, prequels and all.Oh, and I am probably the polar opposite to a George Lucas fanboy ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I would probably change some of the locations, but NOT the desert one. It's actually the most fitting one for the introduction of the new main character Rey. Nothing quite captures the sense of loneliness and isolation from civilisation as a desert landscape. I can't think of any environment that would have worked as well for that. (maybe because all the ancient biblical stories take place in desert backgrounds) They could have just called it Tatooine, but then people would have complained about having another movie on there. The other environments The Hoth like one on the Starkiller and the forest one didn't add anything to the story so I would have changed those just for the sake of doing something different from the OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,287 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I do love the look of the snowy woods for the lightsaber fight, though, I think that does add a lot to the imagery. Maybe that's where the base should have been located as well, rather than the vast tundra that more obviously recalled Hoth. Matt C 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,368 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I'm hoping we see a really FOREIGN environment in Episode 8, something that isn't just an Earth place like desert, jungle, snow, forest. Something along the lines of that opening planet from Star Trek Into Darkness, perhaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 That looked really cool actually. familiar yet totally unearthly. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 I would get rid of the plot holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 22, 2015 Author Share Posted December 22, 2015 It's a shame we didn't get a scene where Rey needed to change clothes and Finn is told to turn away and not look, but BB8 records it for him and they both watch it later with a beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Hehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 That's part of the extended XXX cut, PM me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 The snow-covered woods is the best location in the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Felt like Harry Potter to me, especially with maskless Kylo. "Han Solo can't save you now." *cringe* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 When Snoke said "It's aboard the Millennium Falcon...with your father.....................Han..............................So................lo. I just wanted Ren to say, "I know who my dad is you imbecile." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 31 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: When Snoke said "It's aboard the Millennium Falcon...with your father.....................Han..............................So................lo. I just wanted Ren to say, "I know who my dad is you imbecile." Ugh. I hated that part. Snoke just doesn't it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 5 minutes ago, someonefun124 said: Ugh. I hated that part. Snoke just doesn't it for me. If they do a complete 360 and give us a very interesting direction with Snoke, I can live with it, but yes that whole character choice, design, giant hologram, and CGI was all bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 43 minutes ago, leeallen01 said: When Snoke said "It's aboard the Millennium Falcon...with your father.....................Han..............................So................lo. I just wanted Ren to say, "I know who my dad is you imbecile." The Snoke bits are lacking, which is a shame. Because those are the only scenes where the concept of "The Force awakening" is really dealt with. Solo was meant to find the Falcon, just as Rey was meant to find Luke's saber. And that is an encouraging thought.... leeallen01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeallen01 2,136 Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share Posted December 23, 2015 25 minutes ago, Stefancos said: The Snoke bits are lacking, which is a shame. Because those are the only scenes where the concept of "The Force awakening" is really dealt with. Solo was meant to find the Falcon, just as Rey was meant to find Luke's saber. And that is an encouraging thought.... Luke is never late, he arrives precisely when he means to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 I liked the Snoke scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 So did I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 I like the Snoke music. Dixon Hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 It's good! Maybe the first time Williams has written something that genuinely disturbs me, other than the brief buildup to the Emperor's death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Meh. Williams has gotten under my skin in far better ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 I'd let Williams get under my skin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 I didn't have any serious issues with the Snoke scenes. Yes, the way the Han Solo reveal was written/delivered was a bit goofy, but not nearly distracting from what I liked about, namely the mood of the scene, lighting, the deceptive holographic reveal, etc. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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