Will 2,215 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 This may well have already been posted, but... “BRAAAM!”: The Sound that Invaded the Hollywood Soundtrack https://blog.longreads.com/2016/12/08/braaam-inception-hollywood-soundtracks/ KK and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 What are your thoughts on this matter, Will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 This was indeed interesting. He gets some things very wrong, including that completely uninformed summary of how RCP does things, but other points are spot on. I'm optimistic about the present and future of film music. We're into new territory here, but there have already been masterpieces. The trash will dissipate as everyone gets their bearings. Thanks for sharing. Cerebral Cortex and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 https://blog.longreads.com/2016/12/08/braaam-inception-hollywood-soundtracks/ Quote The internet and the sound’s creator refer to it as BRAAAM. (If you think you’ve successfully avoided it, here’s a sample). It may sound synthetic, but it’s usually produced with brass instruments and a prepared piano. Although it has its roots in a scoring style composer Hans Zimmer employed for much of the early ’00s, the BRAAAM heard in seemingly every trailer was first recorded for Christopher Nolan’s 2010 film Inception, and has been adapted, copied, and even outright sampled ever since. Is BRAAAM something that happened to us, or is it something we, as moviegoers, desired? Quote There can be something deeply reassuring in this neat separation between music and sound design: we move from one thing to another in stages, like nodding off into a dream. But this is a separation that soundtracks have tended to break down in the last few decades. Listen to Hans Zimmer’s scores for Christopher Nolan’s Batmanmovies on CD in isolation from the image, and you’ll find yourself thinking, “oh, I thought Batman’s cape made that noise!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaguy 68 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 5 minutes ago, zaddini said: Terrible thread title. This is superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 12 minutes ago, Blumenkohl said: Terrible thread title. Hey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 On 12/11/2016 at 10:05 AM, BloodBoal said: What are your thoughts on this matter, Will? Not knowledgable enough to really offer anything much. Of course, I no doubt want to hear more Williams-styled scores in the future of film music, but "traditional orchestral" is certainly not the only type of music I can enjoy. The Zimmer style is something I haven't explored too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Zimmer's style has varied greatly over his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 I've really only heard Insterstellar from Zimmer (the whole Illuminated Star Projection edition). Plus a couple little bits of other scores (although many of those other ones employed teams of ghostwriters). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 A Monster on the Loose from TLW did the BRAAAM before it was cool! Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Go listen to The Thin Red Line. Now. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 11 minutes ago, KK said: Go listen to The Thin Red Line. Now. Sorry, TLW is up next ... but I've heard TGP mention that as one of the best scores of all time in his opinion and I really do want to listen to it, at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Also consider listening to The Last Samurai at some point, please. :^) Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 3 hours ago, Will said: I've really only heard Insterstellar from Zimmer (the whole Illuminated Star Projection edition). Plus a couple little bits of other scores (although many of those other ones employed teams of ghostwriters). No.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Indeed! These days the movie scene is fed into a computer, which uses a complicated proprietary algorithm to calculate and them compose the music for it. If its a big budget film a human arranger then looks over the end result. For smaller budget films the result is kept as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 It did it better than everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,529 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Haven't read the article yet (I will!), but the "BRAAAM" sound was first and foremost produced by Lorne Balfe, not Zimmer. This is fairly common knowledge by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Obviously not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,984 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 2 hours ago, Thor said: Haven't read the article yet (I will!), but the "BRAAAM" sound was first and foremost produced by Lorne Balfe, not Zimmer. This is fairly common knowledge by now. Actually it's a quite controversial topic: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/braaams-beginners-how-a-horn-793220 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,484 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Woooo... Even me... use BRAAAAMS in the personal photo-montages I do for parties... It gives you the creeps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 10 hours ago, Prerecorded Briefing said: No.... So I am wrong on that? I know you know better than I. I'd just been led to believe that many Zimmer scores were really team efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 1 hour ago, BloodBoal said: "I invented the fart sound!" "No I invented it!" "No, I did! It was me all along!" There is only man that rightfully can claim inventing The Fart SoundTM Jay and MikeH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,915 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 What does this line mean: " As listeners we seem to desire depth, but we prefer that depth to be on the surface." Isn't that the text book definition of shallowness...the opposite of depth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 10 hours ago, Will said: So I am wrong on that? I know you know better than I. I'd just been led to believe that many Zimmer scores were really team efforts. No, many do involve one or two or even more other writers. But the term ghostwriter itself has a nasty, dirty implication - and rightly so - but that's not what the Zimmer method is about. There's nothing underhanded going on. Everyone who writes gets credited, he's certainly made a point of that over the years. It's a band, not outsourcing. Now, there are in fact one or two fairly prestigious composers who might be sadly susceptible to accusations of genuine ghostwriting. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 20 minutes ago, Prerecorded Briefing said: Now, there are in fact one or two fairly prestigious composers who might be sadly susceptible to accusations of genuine ghostwriting. I don't think it's 100% confirmed, but sometimes Horner handed stuff to his orchestrators when he didn't care much for the material. Apparently We're Back! it's a case of this, and I'm pretty damn sure Don Davis wrote The Claw from Toy Story 3 -that or he almost co-composed it with Newman. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Slanderous comments! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 4 hours ago, Muad'Dib said: I don't think it's 100% confirmed, but sometimes Horner handed stuff to his orchestrators when he didn't care much for the material. Pretty much confirmed by listening to the early 90's stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 14, 2016 Author Share Posted December 14, 2016 15 hours ago, Prerecorded Briefing said: No, many do involve one or two or even more other writers. But the term ghostwriter itself has a nasty, dirty implication - and rightly so - but that's not what the Zimmer method is about. There's nothing underhanded going on. Everyone who writes gets credited, he's certainly made a point of that over the years. It's a band, not outsourcing. Makes sense. Nothing wrong with that! 15 hours ago, Prerecorded Briefing said: Now, there are in fact one or two fairly prestigious composers who might be sadly susceptible to accusations of genuine ghostwriting. Who are you referring to with your "real ghostwriting" comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Probably Brian Tyler and/or Marco Beltrami and/or Michael Giacchino and/or Alexandre Desplat Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Not who I had in mind. But no need to name names! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,378 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Not if you want to work in this industry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Who else is there really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Just the usual suspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 With so little to speak of i don't really care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 Not many people seem to complain as much when Hansy is doing the so called "ghostwriting" for his buddies. But when it's the other way around.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 8 hours ago, Prerecorded Briefing said: Just the usual suspects. Bear McCreary must have a battery of ghostwriters in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 7 hours ago, Muad'Dib said: Not many people seem to complain as much when Hansy is doing the so called "ghostwriting" for his buddies. That's just because they stopped complainin' years ago because a day only has 24 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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